BATMAN HORROR (UPDATE shooter tried to kill himself)

Aurora Shooting: Suspect Opens Fire At Colorado Movie Theater, Killing 14


A gunman opened fire at a movie theater in suburban Denver on Friday, killing at least 14 people and injuring 50 others.


The incident, which took place about 12:30 a.m. at the Century 16 movie theater in Aurora, Colo., occurred during midnight screenings of the new Batman film "The Dark Knight Rises."


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taz-pie

can't wait til maddingo gets in here.

Thomas Orrow
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I have mixed views about the right to bear arms. Growl etc.!

On the one hand America is the most armed country in the world with 90 guns per 100 people. (Please correct me if I'm wrong).

Now, this doesn't sound like a good thing to me, as I've had a fairly liberal upbringing and anything tied in with guns often means shootings.

On the other hand, if I lived in America.....I might consider owning a gun-depending on my circumstances. If I was poor and lived in a rough neighbourhood and had a family, I would probably want to protect my family-so a gun might seem necessary.

Or even being single I might want a gun in NY. I might want it to protect myself from muggings, even though statistically tall males don't get mugged very often-without a gun I could fall prey to muggers.

I don't know what the gun laws are in NYC, just rambling here :)

Thomas Orrow
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Now everybody can call me ignorant for knowing nothing about gun laws! :)

Did you know most English policeman carry a stick of sorts! :D

ThePaperCrane
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I wish we could all just go back to good old fistycuffs what ho! That would eliminate a whole lot of suffering.

taz-pie

Imagine we all had to carry samurai swords. Cooooooool

shirtflirt

it's impossible to put the historical context of WHY people should have arms. i mean, as paper crane said, it's outdated to assume the government militia would start firing on unarmed citizens right?

a lot can be learned from a simple perusal of history vs going on your softened gut instincts of "guns = bad" guns don't equal anything other than the equation inside the gun owner's mind meaning ; environment + genetics = ?

shirtflirt

and to assume the benevolence of our government is going to persist as socially we become more and more privy to their schemes is laughable. the shit will either go down by a) many, MANY american's will die in another "terrorist attack" which will propel us into a war that'll make iraq/afghanistan seem like a tree planting ceremony or b) there will be a european economic fallout and the ripple will fuck up the last remaining legs of our weak ass economy, more poverty will prevail and people FINALLY will be fed up and fight back.

there isn't really a 'nice' scenario imo. i wish there was. i prefer one. but as it is now, having arms is the only deterrent we have from becoming nazi germany.

[+duracell-]

Having stricter gun control laws seems to be a pretty passive response and a waste of time imo. To quote Ice-T.. "If you go into the jungle…. Will you NOT get eaten because you’re a vegan??" I think America has just turned into this avoidant society that doesn't want to get into other people's business. We don't want to offend, or its to much effort because 'I' am more important than 'You', so to speak. Not placing blame on anyone, nor do I claim to understand the attackers twisted mind. I'm just saying we should be more vigilant about certain things and not go through life with blinders on. It's easy for us to ask someone if something is wrong, have them tell us, and then just say "hmm sucks for you", and think that is enough.

I'm guilty of it myself. Just the other night I see a guy on the highway, driving 50mph w/ his flashers on, swerving all over the damn place. "Someone else will call the cops.. besides they seemed to do nothing about that last drunk guy I reported", I tell myself. Sad, but it happens.

opifan64
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The Paper Crane on Jul 24 '12 at 9:54am Very well put Nathan and that is where I am leading. And neither could they have foreseen the arsenal of weaponry accumulated by Government. Being armed as individuals, in firearms alone, is hardly a fair fight when you are up against tanks, missiles, fighter planes, nuclear and biological weapons etc. Therefore it seems a considerably outdated and pointless bill which can only lead to violent crimes between common people. Unless they are to consider the right as citizens to possess more sophisticated and lethal weaponry?

That's a good point on the surface, but look what the Viet Cong did against a vastly more sophisticated American military. Fighting a guerilla war is very different than a conventional one and changes the power dynamic to the point that it's not simply about which side has a superior arsenal. On the other hand, the U.S. has a very different geography than Vietnam which was a factor too.

ThePaperCrane
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opifan64 on Jul 24 '12 at 4:12pm ...Fighting a guerilla war is very different than a conventional one and changes the power dynamic...

Can you imagine guerrilla warfare in the united states! I find it hard but I guess anything is possible and once many of the more basic natural resources are scarce, to the point were they are worth dying for, it becomes very possible.

shirtflirt on Jul 24 '12 at 1:50pm ...guns don't equal anything other than the equation inside the gun owner's mind...

I disagree. Yes guns on there own are not bad, being an inanimate object incapable of thought or action but the intention of any gun is to kill be it an innocent victim or creature or a sworn enemy. The fact that they merely exist in my mind is bad.

shirtflirt on Jul 24 '12 at 1:50pm ...as it is now, having arms is the only deterrent we have from becoming nazi germany.

I myself can come across a bit radical but this does seem a little extreme. I do appreciate and respect your views and feel that we are maybe coming from a similar standpoint. Correct me if I am wrong and without wanting to pigeon hole - but a kind of anti capitalist, independently thinking, self reliant, greener, left wing mindset that has a natural tendency to meet all conspiracy theories with an open mind? (or maybe someone who has enjoyed to much of the old MJ? :)

Spartichris

On a lighter note, I'm bringing the discussion back to the victims. Christian Bale himself went to the hospital to visit all the victims which I think is very thoughtful of him. Pitty there isn't a real Batman to stop crimes like this happening.

Found the link here

soloyo
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Spartichris on Jul 25 '12 at 9:03am On a lighter note, I'm bringing the discussion back to the victims. Christian Bale himself went to the hospital to visit all the victims which I think is very thoughtful of him. Pitty there isn't a real Batman to stop crimes like this happening.

Yes, I saw that yesterday. I wish the movie studios donated some cash to help pay for the funerals too.

Ste7en
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I learned a story from a really smart man, about how Nixon considered Martial Law/Military takeover in the U.S. but the figures came back that it would be too high a risk with a doubtful outcome due to the number of armed citizens in the country at the time.

Ste7en
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(the man was an educator who spoke and could teach 5 languages, math, science, and was a master blacksmith, carpenter, boxing instructor, and was once trained to be a Jesuit priest before he gave it up for beer and women)

Stile

@Soloyo "Money is also streaming into GivingFirst.org, which is accepting donations for victims and relatives of the shooting. By Tuesday, the amount had reached almost $2 million, Gov. John Hickenlooper said.

Sources at Warner Bros. studios told CNN that the company made a "substantial" donation. Warner Bros., a subsidiary of CNN's parent company Time Warner, would not divulge how much money it was giving out of respect for the victims, the sources said."

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digsy
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not certain if it's been mentioned but alread but this was on the BBC today

Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings This just seems like misplaced bravado - a lot of people thinking "well if i'd had a gun, I would have/could have stopped him" which is probably unlikely, but then I'm not a supporter of right to arms in the first place.

shirtflirt

I have no allegiance to any political wing. Its always extreme until its history. I'm happy to be on record saying what I have said as with this current political mindset of perpetual bravado continues we'll just keep killing rather and ourselves before we change. As a nation, politically and spiritually we are children.

shirtflirt

*killing ourselves before we change...

ThePaperCrane
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shirtflirt on Jul 25 '12 at 10:21amAs a nation, politically and spiritually we are children.

I agree but would go further to say as 'a race'. I do believe we have great potential but as you say we are relatively young in our evolutionary journey.

shirtflirt

I disagree, after a few Weeks of inundating myself with ancient and megalithic cultures, following the evolution of spirituality, mathematics language and culture we've compromised our values along the way. We've traded living with a light heart four living a luge where we could afford a light heart, so to speak. India is a beautiful example of pure beginnings with standing the bad intentions of imperialism to return triumphantly to their sacred feminine roots.

SJ27

India has illegal nuclear weapons and has been in an effective state of war with it's neighbours for fifty years.

shirtflirt

so what your saying is corrupt politicians define the history of a country?

shirtflirt

but since you brought it up

"India has a declared nuclear no-first-use policy and is in the process of developing a nuclear doctrine based on "credible minimum deterrence." In August 1999, the Indian government released a draft of the doctrine[21][dead link] which asserts that nuclear weapons are solely for deterrence and that India will pursue a policy of "retaliation only". The document also maintains that India "will not be the first to initiate a nuclear first strike, but will respond with punitive retaliation should deterrence fail" and that decisions to authorize the use of nuclear weapons would be made by the Prime Minister or his 'designated successor(s).'

so yes, they decided to finally pursue a nuclear program after china invaded himalaya and feared more chineese agression.

SJ27

I'm saying Westerners fetishise the Orient.

shirtflirt

lul. not sure what you mean. if you're going to disagree with india's origins of non violence and pluralism then that's your own filter at work.

[+duracell-]

Now their saying he sent a notebook full of details about his plans to kill, to a psychiatrist a week before the attack. But the package spent that time sitting in the mail room. O.O Open yer mail people!

SJ27

Gandhi was assassinated and the perpetrators executed.

shirtflirt

again, SJ27, stating random historical events, without really giving any detail to them comes across as really...i dunno, odd.

that's bizarre duracell...mail delivery guy fired.

Spartichris

Thats crazy that he waited a week though without word from his psychiatrist and just did it anyway, why not phone the guy or make an appointment? Writing his ideas down and mailing them was probably some sort of confession and a way of taking some of the guilt off his shoulders, to blame it on the shrink for not responding. On the other hand, I don't know a lot about American laws or the situation over there with weapons and civil rights but perhaps rather than extreme action taken why don't the government try and find positive reasons to NOT have a gun and promote those? Why has it got to keep stepping up and up? Apologies for ignorance!

soloyo
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A beam of light among the darkness:

Members of the public, along with Warner Bros., the studio that released the Batman movie "The Dark Knight Rises," have contributed nearly $2 million to help victims, though it's not clear how much of that will cover medical expenses. One family is raising money on its own online.

And three of the five hospitals treating victims said Wednesday they will limit or completely wipe out medical bills.

"Some of the victims, however, still face a long recovery ahead and the associated medical costs – without health insurance. There's no exact count of how many of them don't have insurance but statistics suggest many of them might not be covered"

SJ27

That's creeping socialism. Time to get your guns and overthrow the government, America or they'll be coming to give your kids free medical care next.

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