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UCLA Incident

I just watched this video and it's appalling. The fact that something like this happened is just disgusting...


Article here: http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960


WARNING: THIS VIDEO IS QUITE DISTURBING. IT FEATURES A UCLA STUDENT BEING TASERED WHILE DEFENSELESS.


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uniracer

God forbid the kid actually does what a police officer says.

sarieanne

how do we know the kid wasn't breaking any laws? You can't see him for most of the video

remenisi

he didnt have a liscence(pass) to use a UCLA computer so technically its like someone walking into your house and using your computer.

sarieanne

ok well if he didn't have an id and was asked to leave, he's breaking the campus laws by not abiding.. so..... sounds like he deserved to be taken out of the library by any means necessary.

remenisi

so, thats his fault, no pass no computer.

sarieanne

Common sense says if someone has a taser gun and a security uniform and they tell you to leave.. you do it.

tesco
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but that's like living in a police state. if a guy in a uniform and a taser told you to srip naked what would you do?

mahalov
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i'm at work so i'm not gonna watch the vid yet, but regardless if the kid said 'no i wont leave' shouldnt the security guard just escort him out? handcuff him?

Tongue

He got tasered for not showing ID??

Absolute madness. What sort of society have you guys got?

rholliday

You have to wonder if he didn't do this on purpose. He seemed to have a nice script ready about the Patriot Act. Also, a lot of people crowding around and yelling at security/police officers is not going to make them less nervous about the situation.

And there's a very, very long slippery slope between being told to leave a place that has posted restricted access when you cannot prove you are allowed said access and being told to strip naked.

kinky_juice

damn, how long ago was this?

derangeddaoist

It's policy here at UCLA to check for student IDs at 11:00 PM, because a lot of homeless folks/shady people like a warm place to hang around at night.

Yes, Mustafa was a student, but he had no proof and was... reluctant to leave. This is a ridiculously foolish thing to do, because this makes him indistinguishable from the worst criminal, and the police, of course, anticpates the worst-possible scenario.

Yes, it's a shame an innocent kid got tasered, but stupidity achieves great things in large amounts.

I was in that very spot two hours ago, and it pisses me off when I see kids now taping their IDs to their foreheads in sarcastic defiance.

Nodus

So this is his girlfriend posting. My dad, along with my uncle and two cousins as police officers and my grandpa being a retired officer, I have knowledge in the police background. From what I saw in the video the student was being very disruptive and very disorderly. The police have the right to taser a possible suspect in cases like this. I heard multiple warning from the police to the student to have him put his hands up and all the student did was mouth back. My dad has been tasered before (he had to to be liscened to carry a taser.) Although none of know the full story, but from what I've seen I support what the police did 100%.

tesco
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regardless, I think this is a gross over reaction on behalf of the police. to repeatadly taser someone over and over for an offence as minor as this is a disgusting abuse of power.

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rholliday

You have to remember that in between each tasing he was yelling at them and still refusing to get up and leave the building. Yes, they probably were overreacting, but I still think he was egging them on for a reason. Possibly this publicity.

Nodus

The reason why the screams are so long is because a taser is 50,000 volts of electricty (it causes no harm it only disrupts the signals from the brain to muscles rendering the suspect imobile) for 5 seconds

shortman909

Still, though, the fact that he was tasered WHILE IN HANDCUFFS is ridiculous. Towards the end of the video, they just dragged him off. Why couldn't they just do this after he was put in the handcuffs?

derangeddaoist

We value personal freedoms more when threats to security is perceived to be low.

maddingo

Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.

HELP HELP I'M BEING OPPRESSED....

derangeddaoist

let's not make generalizations now, loserbeech :)

maddingo

i wish i could legally taser motherfuckers....that would be SWEET


/btw i'm being sarcastic so and ummm stuff

maddingo

drunk driving suspect got the fuck shot out of him blocks from our house 2 nights ago...

tried to drive over a deputy and him + 3 other officers all opened up on him.....

I heard the whole thing from my house like 30 shots in all.

maddingo

it is in generally a poor idea to be an abusive disruptive twat.... dude pretty much got what he had coming... he should have just shuffled the fuck on out of the library before the id time check and got his student ID.

or politely explained he was indeed a student but had forgotten his id... if that was a problem he would be happy to go get said id and return to the library.

but pitching a hissy fit then continuing to hissy after getting tasered seems like a bad idea....

Nodus

There was no way the suspect could be in handcuffs while at the end of video the police are telling him to putt his hands up. If he was really is suspects he would have to dislocate both his shoulder at once to put his hands up. Before he was tased for a second time i counted 7 "stand up or you'll get it again" statements from the police along with numerous stand up's. Although it may seem ridiculous and harsh to tase a person while in handcuffs it is still legal because of their reckless behavior. I am also disappointed in the students who were questioning the police actions during the incident. Yes, it may seem wrong but from this video all the students that are clearly visible could be charged with obstruction of justice and maybe disorderly conduct, both misdemeanors. From my take on the video I think the student deserved what he got because of his lack of compliance of what the officers were saying. This student never would have gotten tasered if he had just left the library without incident wether or not he was a student. His actions show a lack of respect for those in authority and rules laid down by UCLA.

orangutan

Overreaction by the campus security? Yes but the boy was at fault too. Not by not having his ID with him but being very hostile and hysterical when he was asked to leave.

Believe me, I've been antagonized for no reason by the police myself but it's just smarter to not overreact. Gotta keep your cool.

maddingo

dude the police didn't over react... they gave the idiot a ton of warnings...

plus for all they know dude is a full on lunatic that might pose a threat to others and to the officers.

at one point in my youth i thought i was being oppressed by "the man" frequently.... in retrospect the police were kinda assholes sometimes but pretty restrained considering the disrespect we showed them sometimes (thanks god he is /was +middleclass and white =p )

mainly it was skateboarding that the police hassled us about..and to be entirely fair the laws of suburbiaVille did severely restrict that activity...stupid but it was teh law i guess.

Laborpsus

Well, when you're tasered, especially for that long, it leaves you immobilized for minutes.

He couldn't get up.

Fucking security guards need to learn they're not cops.

orangutan

"Dude", it was an overreaction. Irregardless on how he was carrying on like that, he was outnumbered by security and they didn't have to use the taser on him so many times. They had the ability to just drag him out or whatever.

Of course, I don't absolve him from his own personal responsibility but the security could have handled it better.

Both sides can learn from this.

Laborpsus

see, here at my uni, with our gigantic library, and the same badge checking and homeless issue, we have intelligent security runnin' our system...guards and two different police services. We even have crime logs to keep track of what goes down in the library and how to avoid these people...

...but whatev y'know.

radiostaticstar

what i find more interesting is the fact that when fellow students requested the arresting officers badge numbers and names, they were threatened with being tazered by those same officers...

derangeddaoist

To clarify, laborpsus, the tasering was done by actual officers from UC Police Dept. I believe this is standard protocol for insubordination.

If there's a flaw, it's a flaw in protocol.

sarieanne

Enough of my opinion.. I just want to say that "irregardless" is not a proper word.

Thank you and goodnight.

niilantey

It sounds like he was saying: "I SAID I WOULD LEAVE", not "I WON'T LEAVE". Listen again.

Asthenic

I feel ashemed for being a University of California student (UCSD) becuase of this incident. This is ridiculous. A group of campus cops tasering a handcuffed middle eastern student (you can clearly at certain points in the video that his hands are handcuffed behind his back) who was reported by witnesses to be on his way out of the library by the times the cops arived. And then they drag him out only after they taser him multiple times, as if tasering a student is the first course of action instead of just dragging him out to begin with. And when other students rightfully ask for the cops info, the same cops threaten to taser them too! (you can clearly hear one of the cops saying this in the final seconds of the video) I can't believe some of the people don't see the problem with this. By now all of the major news companies have heard of this, it's gotten close to half a million views on youtube.com And there are several organizations filing complaints/lawsuits. The University of California already has several lawsuits against it currently...I'm sure this is probably the last thing they wanted right now. And if those cops get to keep their jobs, they will probably be ridiculed by the students for the rest of their careers.

niilantey

From the article:
"...according to a study published in the Lancet Medical Journal in 2001, a charge of three to five seconds can result in immobilization for five to 15 minutes, which would mean that Tabatabainejad could have been physically unable to stand when the officers demanded that he do so."

maddingo

well he was more than able to keep running his mouth =)

perhaps he should have used it to explain his inability to stand if that was indeed the case .... just a thought

Asthenic

A lot of people who are paralyzed can still use their mouth but not stand up. Would you taser them?



(this is sem-sarcastic)

maddingo

i will give you a semi - sarcastic answer....

FUCK YEAH... if they started acting all douche like...

maddingo

as a side note I may be a tad grumpy at teh moment cause my stupid cat pee'd on my suitcase and the web check in thing is not working for my flight tomorrow AM

stupid gawd damn cat and alaska airlines....

Asthenic

Taser your cat unless it refuses to clean up the mess he made.

maddingo

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no sad...

plus it brings up an important distinction... a cat may do things that are annoying or bad... but a cat lacks the mental abilities of a human...

the tasered dumbass knew he was pitching a little hissy and "should have" realized there might be "consequenses"

my cat on the other hand... was pissed and so he pee'd... and umm stuff.

OCandCO

If you taze me once... shame on you. Taze me twice... shame on ME.

maddingo

lol.... OCanCO

the video gives me an idea for a reality tv show

"America's most tasered"

Marque

Ridiculous! Dont those officers know that a taser knocks out your legs for at least minutes?!

They were yelling at him to stand up while tasering him!

maddingo

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assuming it was the short duration ...which it appears it is doubtful he would be unable to stand... even if he had been rendered unable to stand... it would have behooved him to say so.... and to stop resisting verbally/physically as he was pretty well owned at the point if he was indeed incapable of standing.



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