...Also, illegal in Canada. Where drawn representation of naked children is permissable in the US, Canada holds it as the same as child pornography with real children. While unlikely, this shirt could get you arrested up here.
No it couldn't, you loon.
<i>...Also, illegal in Canada. Where drawn representation of naked children is permissable in the US, Canada holds it as the same as child pornography with real children. While unlikely, this shirt could get you arrested up here.</i><br />
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No it couldn't, you loon.
annushka - If you're not on a debate team you should be :) . That was a good point well made and I take it on board. I have to be the first to admit that this blog has snowballed into something verging on the hysterical ( in every sense of the word ).
Everyone has there own personal line in the sand as to what is appropriate or offensive. For me this crosses the line not just because I don't like it ( there are a lot of submissions I don't like but each to their own ) but because I think there are wider implications if this sub became a T-shirt on someones back. Does it say something about me personally because I see sexual ambiguity here? I don't know, perhaps, but what I do know is that there are people out there who will get a kick out of wearing this for the wrong reasons. It goes back to the point I made earlier about deviant attitudes being normalized. I don't want images like this to become acceptable in society because it would propagate the view that children can be seen in a sexual way. Which just in case everyone wasn't aware ( yes I'm talking to you artandfear ) is a bad thing.
Having said all that I don't blame the designer at all because I think this whole thing was unintended. I think she was going for a cute look rather than anything sexual. I think the girls hair is in an adult style which is the cause of the ambiguity and the toplessness and pool of pee added fuel to the fire.
Finally, I'm sure you don't give a damn one way or the other but I still think you're a lovely person :)
annushka - If you're not on a debate team you should be :) . That was a good point well made and I take it on board. I have to be the first to admit that this blog has snowballed into something verging on the hysterical ( in every sense of the word ). <br />
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Everyone has there own personal line in the sand as to what is appropriate or offensive. For me this crosses the line not just because I don't like it ( there are a lot of submissions I don't like but each to their own ) but because I think there are wider implications if this sub became a T-shirt on someones back. Does it say something about me personally because I see sexual ambiguity here? I don't know, perhaps, but what I do know is that there are people out there who will get a kick out of wearing this for the wrong reasons. It goes back to the point I made earlier about deviant attitudes being normalized. I don't want images like this to become acceptable in society because it would propagate the view that children can be seen in a sexual way. Which just in case everyone wasn't aware ( yes I'm talking to you artandfear ) is a bad thing.<br />
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Having said all that I don't blame the designer at all because I think this whole thing was unintended. I think she was going for a cute look rather than anything sexual. I think the girls hair is in an adult style which is the cause of the ambiguity and the toplessness and pool of pee added fuel to the fire.<br />
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Finally, I'm sure you don't give a damn one way or the other but I still think you're a lovely person :)<br />
I guess I just thought it was like a reinterpretation of that "Everybody Poops" book. She looks like the Coppertone Baby to me. I think what creeps me out is that people are autmoatically saying it's perverted, like they snap judged the girl to be displaying sexiness in some fashion? I can't say I'd wear this illustration but come on people, baby girls run around in just underwear and piss themselves all the time. It's life.
I guess I just thought it was like a reinterpretation of that "Everybody Poops" book. She looks like the Coppertone Baby to me. I think what creeps me out is that people are autmoatically saying it's perverted, like they snap judged the girl to be displaying sexiness in some fashion? I can't say I'd wear this illustration but come on people, baby girls run around in just underwear and piss themselves all the time. It's life.
The history and enforcement of obscenity laws in Canada suggests otherwise.
No it doesn't. While the new Bill C-2 raises a lot of concerns about limitations on artistic expression, if this particular piece ever made it onto a t-shirt it is highly unlikely that it would be the object that tests that law. Yeesh.
<i>The history and enforcement of obscenity laws in Canada suggests otherwise.</i><br />
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No it doesn't. While the new Bill C-2 raises a lot of concerns about limitations on artistic expression, if this particular piece ever made it onto a t-shirt it is <i>highly</i> unlikely that it would be the object that tests that law. <i>Yeesh.</i>
Fan of the style, but not so much the subject matter.
Anxious to see more, though.
Geewally... You're getting tow' up from the flo' up.
It's quite entertaining.
Fan of the style, but not so much the subject matter. <br />
Anxious to see more, though.<br />
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Geewally... You're getting tow' up from the flo' up. <br />
It's quite entertaining.
this is just creepy and weird, i dont want to know that people who would wear a t-shirt with a picture of a topless prepubescent girl wetting herself, i guess the point is that it is so disgusting
this is just creepy and weird, i dont want to know that people who would wear a t-shirt with a picture of a topless prepubescent girl wetting herself, i guess the point is that it is so disgusting
like the artwork too... but it is a bit disturbing... especially w/ the little girl being indecent... make little changes to clean it up a little... and it's got a potential to get more votes..
like the artwork too... but it is a bit disturbing... especially w/ the little girl being indecent... make little changes to clean it up a little... and it's got a potential to get more votes..
Spam69, what I appreciate more than anything is a good debate with someone who doesn't fly off the handle and resort to personal abuse. Because you didn't just start accusing me of being a creep, I do very much respect your opinion and your stand on this.
Spam69, what I appreciate more than anything is a good debate with someone who doesn't fly off the handle and resort to personal abuse. Because you didn't just start accusing me of being a creep, I do very much respect your opinion and your stand on this.
Like Anushka and Kookaberry say:
My opinion is that to sexualise this image says more about the person complaining about it, than it does about what is appropriate or notbut come on people, baby girls run around in just underwear and piss themselves all the time.
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And Thumperella and geewally: the discussion about this design makes it more than clear that it won't get enough high votes to get it printed, so no need to be so dramatic.
Like Anushka and Kookaberry say:<br />
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<i>My opinion is that to sexualise this image says more about the person complaining about it, than it does about what is appropriate or not</i><br />
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<i>but come on people, baby girls run around in just underwear and piss themselves all the time.</i><br />
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And Thumperella and geewally: the discussion about this design makes it more than clear that it won't get enough high votes to get it printed, so no need to be so dramatic.<br />
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these comments are fucking hysterical.
my only thought was "ew pee puddle." That's why I don't like it. The illustration's cute though.
these comments are fucking hysterical.<br />
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my only thought was "ew pee puddle." That's why I don't like it. The illustration's cute though.
Great art style, and I'd wear this shirt BECAUSE it is disturbing.
It's soo cute and soo wrong all at the same time.
I guess i still find pee-pee and poo-poo jokes funny.
Great art style, and I'd wear this shirt BECAUSE it is disturbing. <br />
It's soo cute and soo wrong all at the same time. <br />
I guess i still find pee-pee and poo-poo jokes funny.
It´s just about life guys!!!
Little kids runaround naked all the time!
If you can see anything wrong here, the problem is you, not the shirt!
It´s just about life guys!!!<br />
Little kids runaround naked all the time!<br />
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If you can see anything wrong here, the problem is you, not the shirt!
i noticed someone said she was making a coy finger to the mouth sexual pose, but she is making it at the pig, whilst also pointing at the wee with her other hand,so maybe this tshirt is more about golden showers and animal sex than pedophilia?
lets all argue about that for a bit...
i noticed someone said she was making a coy finger to the mouth sexual pose, but she is making it at the pig, whilst also pointing at the wee with her other hand,so maybe this tshirt is more about golden showers and animal sex than pedophilia? <br />
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lets all argue about that for a bit...
If depictions (albeit cute, or Brazilian-made) of half naked children doesn't make you even slightly raise an eyebrow, there's a problem. I wash my hands.
If depictions (albeit cute, or Brazilian-made) of half naked children doesn't make you even slightly raise an eyebrow, there's a problem. I wash my hands.
geewally..... go date... see woman... live.... get a life or job.
you´re sick man... if you think about nasty just to look this shirt so bad, maaaannnn, the problem is inside you.
better! go to psy.. he probly help you!
go pee in yourself and be happy!!!
And remember. if you hv a child.. IF you got married onde day.... please... don´t look your baby nipples....
geewally..... go date... see woman... live.... get a life or job.<br />
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you´re sick man... if you think about nasty just to look this shirt so bad, maaaannnn, the problem is inside you.<br />
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better! go to psy.. he probly help you!<br />
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go pee in yourself and be happy!!!<br />
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And remember. if you hv a child.. IF you got married onde day.... please... don´t look your baby nipples....
hahahaha i actually made that comment sarcastically, thinking that there actually wasn't even text on the shirt, but i looked once more and behold! THERE WAS!
So for reals this time... lose the text.
hahahaha i actually made that comment sarcastically, thinking that there actually wasn't even text on the shirt, but i looked once more and behold! THERE WAS!<br />
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So for reals this time... lose the text.
Man, please... get a life. You don't have any idea of how ridiculous you are, spending so much time with this submission. You should make better use of your time working on your designs, because they all suck! Really amatour, bad stuff.
You have no talent at all... but maybe, if you make an effort, try really hard and put some energy on your work, and not on your stupid comments, you can became just mediocre.
Man, please... get a life. You don't have any idea of how ridiculous you are, spending so much time with this submission. You should make better use of your time working on your designs, because they all suck! Really amatour, bad stuff.<br />
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You have no talent at all... but maybe, if you make an effort, try really hard and put some energy on your work, and not on your stupid comments, you can became just mediocre.
Some folks said that the U.S. commenters are being ethnocentric, (and it's true, we are ethnocentric in general) but the fact is that this design was submitted to an American company. If I submitted a design to a company in Brazil, I should know about the culture there. Further, if I bought this shirt, I would have to walk around wearing it here, in my culture, where it would be inappropriate.
I wouldn't buy this shirt because I do feel that the girl is sexualized, but I think the art is gorgeous. I hope the controversy won't stop the designer from submitting again.
Some folks said that the U.S. commenters are being ethnocentric, (and it's true, we are ethnocentric in general) but the fact is that this design was submitted to an American company. If I submitted a design to a company in Brazil, I should know about the culture there. Further, if I bought this shirt, I would have to walk around wearing it here, in my culture, where it would be inappropriate. <br />
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I wouldn't buy this shirt because I do feel that the girl is sexualized, but I think the art is gorgeous. I hope the controversy won't stop the designer from submitting again.
I do feel that the girl is sexualized
She's taking a piss, you find that sexual? You ppl should read Everybody Poops because everybody does poop, pee and fart. But I guess this is what pornography is, huh? Please.
5ved and buyed.
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<i> I do feel that the girl is sexualized</i><br />
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She's taking a piss, you find that sexual? You ppl should read <b>Everybody Poops</b> because everybody does poop, pee and fart. But I guess this is what pornography is, huh? Please.<br />
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5ved and buyed.<br />
Nope, I don't care about the peeing part. I find her wearing a low-cut string bikini with no shirt to be sexual. I think the pose imitates one often used to depict "sexiness" in adult women. If this was a real little girl doing her thing and being a kid, I wouldn't have that opinion, but this is a portrayal of a child that was created for enjoyment of/use by adults.
No, I don't think this is pornography, but that it's inappropriate. And I don't have any objection to pornography anyway. But I object to involving kids in adult sexuality.
And yes, people should read Everyone Poops. It's a great book. My students love it, and I deal with their "oopses" every day.
Again, I really hope to see more work from this designer.
Nope, I don't care about the peeing part. I find her wearing a low-cut string bikini with no shirt to be sexual. I think the pose imitates one often used to depict "sexiness" in adult women. If this was a real little girl doing her thing and being a kid, I wouldn't have that opinion, but this is a portrayal of a child that was created for enjoyment of/use by adults.<br />
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No, I don't think this is pornography, but that it's inappropriate. And I don't have any objection to pornography anyway. But I object to involving kids in adult sexuality.<br />
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And yes, people should read Everyone Poops. It's a great book. My students love it, and I deal with their "oopses" every day.<br />
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Again, I really hope to see more work from this designer.
Well, I scrolled all the way down here, but halfway through I realized someone probably already said what I have to say. But I'm already here and it was a long journey, so..
Put a top on that girl.
Well, I scrolled all the way down here, but halfway through I realized someone probably already said what I have to say. But I'm already here and it was a long journey, so..<br />
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Put a top on that girl.
No it doesn't. While the new Bill C-2 raises a lot of concerns about limitations on artistic expression, if this particular piece ever made it onto a t-shirt it is highly unlikely that it would be the object that tests that law. Yeesh.
Who cares about the new bill? The existing laws are bad enough.
My neighbour wrote the review that got Eli Langer busted, and that was back in '93.
<i>No it doesn't. While the new Bill C-2 raises a lot of concerns about limitations on artistic expression, if this particular piece ever made it onto a t-shirt it is highly unlikely that it would be the object that tests that law. Yeesh.</i><br />
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Who cares about the new bill? The existing laws are bad enough.<br />
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My neighbour wrote the review that got Eli Langer busted, and that was back in '93.
Pablo, I love how a guy whose only two submissions in two years involve splatters and pain and clipart sangria is calling my designs "amatour". (I'd also work on the spelling while you're at it, Chico.)
Pablo, I love how a guy whose only two submissions in two years involve splatters and pain and clipart sangria is calling my designs "amatour". (I'd also work on the spelling while you're at it, Chico.)
its jus meant to be humorous, but yet anothe rinstance where, design has to be all -encompassing...see:<br />
http://www.threadless.com/submission/147099/Core_of_Truth#lastcomment<br />
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http://www.threadless.com/submission/147041/More_hands_more_chocolate#lastcomment<br />
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What is the Brazilian reality TV show for grown ups that want to RAPE kids?
I gonna take a wild guess there isn't one
we have a problem with this in the US, (not 'america')
IN the US it is called "To Catch a Preditor"
Do you as a Brazilian designer want to perpetuate US preditors? It's not that far fetched.
I hope we all respect kids
We all respect women
and by all means I respect many Brazilian franz!
Brazilians come to chicago
its no Rio
But Rio
is no Chicago
com respeito!
If your from Brazil don't hate on US,
we send respect
What is the Brazilian reality TV show for grown ups that want to RAPE kids?<br />
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I gonna take a wild guess there isn't one<br />
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we have a problem with this in the US, (not 'america')<br />
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IN the US it is called "To Catch a Preditor"<br />
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Do you as a Brazilian designer want to perpetuate US preditors? It's not that far fetched.<br />
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I hope we all respect kids<br />
We all respect women <br />
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and by all means I respect many Brazilian franz!<br />
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Brazilians come to chicago<br />
its no Rio<br />
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But Rio<br />
is no Chicago<br />
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com respeito!<br />
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If your from Brazil don't hate on US,<br />
we send respect
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