Rorschach Hits the Disco

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Rorschach Hits the Disco


spires profile pic Artist

oh, moto, sorry. I'll post that later today in the blog. I did make it.


totallly awesome! WoWoWoWoW

Robsoul profile pic Alumni

yes, like it on royal, maybe even purple.


I wish people would stop being so lazy and not make these kind of designs completely symetrical...


really cool!


Did photoshop throw up?


wow. looks great on teal. $4

.onion profile pic Alumni

this one is a lot better than your other black/white ones :]

asher27 profile pic Alumni

on sagestone or dark greay this would look great... im not really feeling it on the blues though, i think the hue in the blues is too strong compared to dark grey/sage and takes away from the design.

very good though...
5 and maybe a $? ...ill decide the $ later.

spires profile pic Artist

Thanks for the wrong assumption and the insult mdwebb; but except for the top heraldry, which was painstakingly traced, all these elements were created exclusively by me.

I've never used, and you are an asshole.

jpiatt profile pic Alumni

holy crap! This is one of the first subs that's jumped out at me and I've been scoring for a while now.
LOVE the colors, love the look of this, and the presentation makes it.

spires profile pic Artist

To immediately convey elitist regality, one can't do better than using what has been historically perfect. Should one draw heraldry by hand again, once the work is done already, then scan and then painstakingly trace it, in order to prove it wasn't clipart? I don't see the virtue in gratutious labor, but maybe I missed your point.

What process is 'kosher' that would allow one use historic forms, without them becoming clip art? Via reductio ad absurdum, we may conclude that all historical forms are therefore 'clipart' forevermore, because they must go through some process in order to be employed, tracing or otherwise.

Either you are for appropriation and therefore 'clipart' or you are not. I believe you done nothing more than having admitted to a contradiction in your thinking.

spires profile pic Artist

I never have to worry about explaining used found material to anyone, because nobody is owed an explanation. I initially called you an asshole because you misrepresented my design (and later admitted to this), and that's what I felt you were owed. Everything else beyond that initial offering was my intellectual exercise. In my blog, you have officially been upgraded to jerk. :)

If you believe that you should not test a specific proposition to the structure of logic, (i.e. the syllogism) especially given that I was arguing on your own terms, we will not meet because to me that means, you really aren't debating within the bounds of reason.

You said first, that you are all for appropriation, but then you give examples that you approve of, where you say that appropriation isn't really present. This is bait and switch.

If appropriation is appropriate, then the syllogism stands, proved above via reductio ad absurdum. So, unless you are unwilling to retract your approval of appropriation, then you have committed further fallacy. You didn't give examples of acceptable appropriation, but rather what you considered examples of acceptable recontextualization, which is markedly different from appropriation. It is great to recontextualize, but given the context of that section of my piece, it would only dilute the regal aesthetic.

Given only the substance of your comments here, you do not agree with appropriation.

I did not pass off as 'my own' a universally recognized symbol, I merely used it. Anything that I may synthesize from heraldry wouldn't be as recognizable as that symbol, because that's a pretty famous one. If you disagree with my using it, great.

I will formally declare that I did not invent heraldry, or that historic, heraldic design in particular.

The elements that I did recontextualize in this design are so obscure, that you probably wouldn't recognize them. The point is, that I can both recontextualize and appropriate. Unless someone forces me to stop, I will do both.

I was not making a predominately conceptual work, so I agree with you there. The way I process my experiences isn't given to very sharp, conceptual designs. I am very intuitive and experience life accordingly, preferring to record the broad essences of things. My work reflects this; they are mostly atmospheric pieces that attach a broad aesthetic sentiment to a loose subject. I don't like contorting my natural thought process to match other's preferences. Insofar as others will accept my work, fine. When I attempt to synthesize concepts or make a clever statement, it is usually too involved for this medium, and would probably work better with media of series, or media of large formats.

Most of my work includes homage to things I adore that others probably wouldn't recognize or care about. To them, it is stylish, to me, meaningful. Style can encode.

Is this a crime against design? Who cares? I communicate clearly using design at work, because that is what I'm paid for. On my time, I like to do what comes naturally. Is that wrong? Not from my perspective. If they enjoy wearing it, and I enjoy making it, everyone at the table wins. If third parties grieve, they can enjoy other things.


It would be wrong for me to lower my original score on this submission because your argument/debate style is 75% dismissal and 15% assumption... leaving only 10% for your own valid points... of which only your last one is strong enough to stand on. I recommend not arguing with people who are clearly smarter than you in the comments on your subs in the future. Certainly whining about it in the blogs, wasn't a great idea, either; I'm sure I'm not the only one who came back to this submission, tempted to alter my score because of it.

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I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today!

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