Scoring finished:
885 days ago
Submitted on:
Mar 13 '06
Scored by:
2,117 people
Comments:
109 comments
Final average score:
1.50 out of 5
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well you obviously know what your talking about but.. i wouldnt wear it.. its just a burger.
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that's pretty sweet... but tansparent ink? i don't think they can do that... but good try- it looks amazing
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JOHN2 on Mar 13 '06 woooooooah! This is killer! If it actually had shiny beef/condiments it would be almost too stunning. Almost. 5$
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wullagaru on Mar 13 '06 nice use of teh 4 coor process
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that's nice, but it's a hamburger. plus it's a mcdonald's hamburger. i'd rather eat my uncle's glass eye.
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I'm pretty sure they said that you can't use halftones....
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Yeah those halftones are WAY too small! This is exactly what they're talking about when they say 'no halftones.'
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plans and zool - the halftones are plenty large on the clean art file thats 8" wide. when shrunk down to a 72dpi gif of course they look small - cripes -
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Neat, but why a burger?
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Great process. You can almot see the Mad Cow dripping from under the cheese.
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id wear it if they added juicyness. $4
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How was this accepted?
The halftones are too small... |
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ekaj47, at 4:02pm on Mar 13, 2006
infamousempire - plans and zool - the halftones are plenty large on the clean art file thats 8" wide. when shrunk down to a 72dpi gif of course they look small - cripes - |
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Its a nice idea jake, and probably the most intelligent use of 4 colours I have seen ever, so 5 for that, but at the end of the day it IS just a simple burger, so I wouldn't wear it. That's just me being 100% honest, dont hate me!! :)
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not your best design by a long shot. any photograph on the planet can be printed in a cmyk halftone, and it can be applied in a matter of seconds. my friend silkscreens shirts for a living and tells me that yes this WOULD be a bugger to print... besides, take into account that threadless was even having trouble with some "distressed" patterns a while ago and distress marks are WAY less complex than these halftones. just telling it like it is.
that being said, it's not really up to me to decide what's printable and what's not... it looks sorta cool. nothing i'd wear, but nothing i'd object to seeing others in. 3. |
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I don't like bugars, but that's a really neat effect.
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jett - i do separations for a living - my seps always come out clean and having good seps makes it easier for a pritner to print - the print shop i work for never has a problem with my process seps, index seps, simulated process seps or plain ol spot seps. and yes this can be applied to any image, i just havent seen anyone on threadless do it yet. and yes it is just a burger - but its an extra tasty burger.
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4-color process is no different then printing "tiny halftones" as far as burning screens go, which I imagine is one of the main reasons it's stated that they aren't allowed. Registering the four screens can be difficult and getting the image to look correct can be a pain. It's also stated in the rules that no photographs are allowed, and the only way to print a photo on a shirt is with 4-color process, other than heat-transfers. Printing a photo on a shirt represents no artistic effort (unless you took the photo). I give you credit though for getting this past the judging process, however you managed to do that.
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um ok what i was going to say before i posted a blank comment:
why is this an extratasty sub when it's a burger? that site is for drinks. boozey drinks. not food... when are people going to friggin' figure that out. you're not the only one to submit food but its time somebody actually checked out the website that they're submitting for. that is all. |
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Seannerz, - the halftones are large enough to print - trust me - they say no photographs proably so kids just dont put a full color photo up without it being separated already, my image is already separated - registration isnt that difficult - they have systmes that make it easy to line up - you put the seped out film on a carrier sheet with certain hole placements for easy locking - then burn the screen with the same system in place to ensure each film is burned in the same spot on each screen - trust me i work in a print shop
antisocialbutterfly - one of the crew from threadless made a blog saying not every logo had to be about drinks - i also did a logo for the drink irish car bomb but people were offended becuase people die in car bombs? |
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mc donalds probably gives these away already.........and theyre probably free at a country fair or a demo derby
no thanks man and btw the filter you ran over it does not make it consist of those colors just letting you know |
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I wouldn't wear it since I hate hamburgers, but it's a GENIUS design, so you get a 5 from me.
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blue loonacy - there was no filter used on this - this is a 4 color process sep i did manually through photoshop - i dont use filters for any separation process i do. and your obviously a real smart guy because cmyk when printed on top of eachother does make the colors shown, take a closer look at any magazine or print media, i'm sure you'll see a similar halftone pattern
look it up - it takes about 2 minutes on google - |
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bortwein on Mar 13 '06 How did this even get approved? They say that they are not accepting Tiny Half Tone Patterns and Photographs, and that's exactly what this is...
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interesting, the guidelines say no tiny halftones, no photographs, and yet you submit halftone photograph. of hamburger.
how tiny is tiny? we must now wonder. roy lichtenstein did non-tiny halftones, but those were bigger. |
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well guys, let's not even compare this burger with lichtenstien ok!? its not even close to that type or greatness of art- just me saying so??
nevertheless- it's a good job putting it together, without filters... a 3 for the idea and work, but not more- cause of ITS JUST A BIGMAC! It dosent say anything. |
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Just for the record...that isn't a Big Mac(nothing at all like a Big Mac!)...And it doesn't resemble a MacDonalds hamburger of any kind! First off it has too much meat to be a MacDonalds hamburger and I don't believe there are any MacDonalds hamburgers with three slices of cheese. I'm just saying!!!!
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Wow, I'm a total design looser and i have no idea what's going on here. What are halftones? Why are big ones OK but not small ones? Why is this cool? I'll do your calculus homework in exchange for some answers.
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that's one all beef patty special sauce lettuce cheese pickles onions on a sesame seed bun...add tomato...mmm
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Maybe I don't know anything, but in a halftone pattern the dots are not printed right on top of each other. You don't need transparent inks. Each color is aligned at a different angle, so they overlap. Your eyes blend that together. Get out a loupe and look at any process printed thing, especially a color newspaper photo and you can see this.
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Jake, of course you're right about the process and obviously well-practiced. It's interesting to see someone go for this on Threadless. Well done on that.
But unfortunately you have only ended up with a picture of a burger, which is kinda dull. It's a technical accomplishment, but not a creative one. Points for pushing the process, more still when you use it for a cool design. |
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d3d on Mar 14 '06 it would be really cool if each colour was offset and inch or two.
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The dots are printed on top of each other, partially and totally,each color at a different angle, otherwise you would get a pattern in the image... yellow and cyan = green, yellow and magenta= red and so on... Your brain puts all of the information togerther and you see an image.
Cyan, magenta, yellow and black. These are the four colors that make up all colors in the printing process. Kind of like the primary colors of painting, Yellow, red and blue or the primary colors of light, green, red and blue. I guess threadless was ok with this one because they stated,"no tiny halftones". This is clearly not a tiny halftone, if it was it would be harder to see the halftone pattern. This looks like about 85 line screen(the amount of lines of dots in an inch) or less which is about what you would see printed in a news paper. Take out a magnifying glass and look at anything around you that has a photo and has been printed...You'll see the dots. This is no major discovery...It's been done this way for years and years. And once again...that's no McDonalds burger!!!!! |
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How come threadless team allow photograph to pass through???
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no matter how much you pontificate about the "process" in the end, you get a picture of a hamburger. why would i wear this?
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its it just a burger - i used a burger because its an Extra Tasty comp and burgers are EXTRA FREAKING TASTY! plus i was eating a burger when i did this. everyone can relax - you wear shirts with just a word on it - you wear shirts with just a cartoon on it - think of it that way if you want to categorize this - but its not just a burger, its a 4 color process burger - this is more about the 4 color process - the halftones are not small - at an 8" wide burger, 300 dpi resolution - 25 line screen - the halftones are huge. to give you some kind of reference at my work we use 55-60 line screen, these are tiny halftones used to blend colors and make gradients look smooth when printed on a shirt.
also - why are people so worried about acting like they work for threadless and need to point out their rules? we all read the rules, these are not tiny halftones when viewed at real size - again when shrunk down to a 72 dpi gif image, yes they are gonna look small. obviously i'm gonna submit this process again - but i will use something other than a burger, maybe a hot dog or some meatloaf |
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Alright, ekaj47 ! ! !
Shaking things up on Threadless. Way to go, man! That is one awesome burger and the gel ink idea is very extra tasty. MMMmmmm. . . . * drooooolllllll * In my Threadless combo meal I'd like a super sized 5 for this and a big $$$ BUY $$$ to go of course :D ( I'm waiting in anticipation to see your other submissions that use this process ) |
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i don't give a fuck about the how or why. i give you a 5 for selling us on a burger on a shirt. thanks!!!
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arzie13 on Mar 14 '06 2k already did this, and they did a hot dog, and fries as well.
http://www.imageexchange.com/skuimg/19685.jpg http://www.imageexchange.com/skuimg/19689.jpg http://www.imageexchange.com/skuimg/19687.jpg |
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i dont know what 2k is? but you guys havent done it and i havent seen you guys print a real cmyk 4 color process shirt? and its not exactly the same, it looks like theirs was seped out as simulated process if i had to guess or a transfer - their shirts do look good and tasty though - thanks for commenting i've been awaiting the day a threadless staff commented, good or bad - kick ass
and my lady told me i should have added a drink and fries! |
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So many subs here try for the greatest originality ever, but if you think about it. THIS is original for Threadless. I would wear it too, cause I like meat.
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tomburns on Mar 14 '06 so threadless will print process jobs?
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why not print process jobs - its only 4 colors
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great description of the process, but the imagery is weak, so a big '0' to this. Maybe try a more interesting image.
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A great use of this is on the cover of an old PRINT magazine I still have with a close-up copped image of the Mona Lisa's lips halftoned, now that was a great use of halftoning. (1999 European Design Annual)
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labing -your great help - really i cant wait to tell you some bullcrap on your next sub
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Haha, who would have ever thought a hamburger could be so controversial!
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CHEESEBURGER SHIRT! YES! whatever, this is a cheesburger shirt.
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i gave it a zero.. simply because i just dont see why you would want to wear it, we see enough mcdonalds and burger king advertisements, i dont want to see anymore burgers. sorry.
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i would like to see a shirt with the 4 color thing, like you have in the picture.,
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Hey guys, I have an idea. Let's stop bashing the designers. They put a lot of work into their designs, so read the note at the bottom: "If you're going to criticize please be constructive and respectful about it."
I really like the halftone process, I think that is really brilliant. I want to see it implemented a little better, as I usually don't like designs that are made from photographs. Keep working with this process, but I'm not feeling this particular design. |
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RED MEAT ROCKS MY SOCKS.
5$ Also, those halftones are pretty kickass. And if you do one with meatloaf, I will definitely buy it. Because MEATLOAF. On a SHIRT! How ridiculously and amazingly absurd! |
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PS - "I didn't get to the top of the food chain to be vegetarian"
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This design could only be used on the white T-Shirt because white counts as one of the four colors.
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you crazy printers and your clever schemes!
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BO smells kinda like hamburgers
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hmmmmmmmmm
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Um...
All process is four colors. Threadless only does spot. And they just won't print this. If you made the burger SO large, and displaced the halftones SO much that it looked like a giant, macro shot of a hamburger, that might pass. This will not. Which isn't to say it wasn't a good try. But it's process. And Threadless doesn't do that. |
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I used to do Colour separations all day every day. This is just a photo of a burger printed really crudely. We used to use 60 - 70 dpi for process work. We won best European print for a cover of Harpers&Queen magazine processed onto a shirt. It looked like a photo from a few feet away. If you're gonna go down the process route you can print anything as long as it's a whiteish shirt.
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maxandglad - this only looks crude due to the fact I had to shrink down a clean image to 649x480 pixels at 72 dpi - it looks sharp in my illustrator file.
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ok, here is a non-long comment.... mmmmm
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yawn...
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What's all the fuss about? CMYK screenprints are soooo boring... really what's the point?
And technically halftones are more of a pain to set up because you have to adjust the angle of the stencil in relation to the screen to avoid nasty moire patterns. More often than not not worth the hassle, absolutely not in this instance. |
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webdreck - your wrong - halftones are not hard to line up - if you know what your doing - and what the hell are you talking about a stencil for? there is no stencil in screenprinting unless your doing it at home - the moiré is necessary in cmyk printing - its what gives the illusion of a full color print when the inks are printed ontop of each other
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I look forward to you using this process on future subs
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I understand this's Threadless' business, not mine; but I'm interested so here goes:
When you print CMYK seps on newsprint or whatevr, the inks do blend. But I had the impression that t-shirt inks were more opaque, and instead of blending would completely print over the previous colours. So, say, in the burger patty area where the C M and Y screens have 100% coverage, whichever was printed last would be the only one showing. Confirm or deny! |
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ekaj47 - the "stencil" I'm refering to is the photo transparency neccessary to expose the emulsion on the screen. You can call it what you like, it functions as and is a stencil. I've never screen-printed at home (!) but have worked in several fine art print workshops and, yes, I have printed CMYK seperations and do know what I'm talking about.
The angle of the halftone has to be aligned properly with the angle of the screen mesh. Very often this means the "stencil" has to be rotated on the mesh before the screen is exposed and this in turn means the substrate has to be angled on the bench to be square with the image. Over four screens you will have to rotate the position of the shirt four times. The CMYK effect relies on a very well ordered series of halftones, moiré is definitely not a good thing. And now I'm kind of guessing you don't really know what you're talking about... "Moiré patterns are caused by interference between two sets of fine pattern grids" is Google broken where you live? |
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Guys, if you like the design, just vote accordingly.
What is the arguement about on colour separations? I guess ekaj47 is just trying to show different perspective of designing t-shirt thatz all. Either you like it or you don't. :) |
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webdreck - your wrong - your wrong - your wrong - i dont know what kind of a shop you worked in but your making 4 color process way too difficult, its just like printing a normal design - all that turning of the screens is a waste - i guess you guys never figured out how to really do it and you just did it the best way you could
and from your design on threadless, your unfinished web site with no portfolio, i can tell you dont know much about design or using illustrator. the "stencil" your referring to is a freaking transparent film - you do not need to align the mesh with the halftone - if you use the right mesh screen for the right halftone size there is not problem, no reason to have to move the film around the screen to make it fit in the mesh? . moiré is when your dots do make an awful pattern but in cmyk you need a particular pattern for the halftones to overlap so they will print on top of one another so they can blend colors. why dont you just stick to reading goggle for nonsense or looking at designs and going eww pretty or ewww ugly - |
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Deceased, at 9:38am on Mar 16, 2006 wrote:
"What is the arguement about on colour separations?" Sorry... I guess I just find the discussion of colour separations way more interesting than the shirt design :| |
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McDonald kept it a secret that their fries contained allergic compounds such as wheat and dairy as well as the oh-so-very-delicious transFAT, but it was no secret that their EXTRA TASTY is delicious -- (albeit the health detriments in consuming one has and always will be is obvious)
and i say this shirt is YUMMY 5$ 5$ 5$ now, wasn't that a refreshing comment as opposed to CMYK color separations and how halftones need to be aligned and blah blah blah? (but i gotta say, i love reading all these comments! -- and once again, a a hamburger causing so much controversy- amazing; but i thought the Hamburgler was the only hamburger causing trouble!) |
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tesco on Mar 16 '06 It IS just a burger, therefore... 5 and $
goodjob, and very brave. I hope they print this. |
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hey ekaj, it doesn't matter, i $5'd you anyways!
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dude it reminds me of spongebob it looks like a crabby patty!
WOOT! |
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danrule on Mar 16 '06 I think I'll believe the pre-press separation settings on PhotoShop over some threadless submission in regards to the angle of transparency.
And I don't know what shop you work(ed) at ekaj, but if you think moire is intentional and/or needed for CMYK I'd never do buisness with ya. Design -wise, not for me, but good to start a technical debate here. |
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danrule - i was heated and said moire as a mistake to mean that there is a particular pattern in cmyk process printing - moire in regular simulated process printing is bad - of course - i corrected myself up there ways. screw what the computer does for you though - do your own seps manually.
i still work for this shop - we do great work - for lots of cool companies and a lot of crappy ones - i'll say it again - i've never had a problem with my seps - i am not the best designer of course but i'll stand up for my separations - simulated process - index - a combo of the two - cmyk process or spot - give me some art and i'll make it print on a t-shirt and it will look just like what you gave me |
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danrule on Mar 16 '06 Roger that ekaj, I wouldn't mind seeing some examples. When I worked at a shop we used FastRip to do 7 color separations, I hated those.
I don't hate this design, but if you're gonna do a CMYK here, it should screammm CMYK (conceptually too) for all us design/print otaku. |
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I love it when my hamburgers screammmmm !
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Very creative use for the colors. And to those of you who say "It's just a burger."
So What? It's a burger on a t-shirt. It's clever, and would make people hungry. |
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Personally, what I love about this site is the creativity and artistic ability you can find (and possibly get to have on a shirt). If threadless starts printing photographs just because it's technically possible, something will have been lost here in my opinion. I'm not going to vote on this one. (by the way, I'm NOT saying that photographs can't be creative and artistic- hopefully you know what I meant)
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Lol, burger looks great. If they can print it, and it gets votes, they will.
Seems like people should leave it up to the t-shirt gurus at threadless... I mean, tell you what, YOU don't have to print if you don't want to. Eka. I'd stop trying to defend it. Seems like you're just going to end up wasting time answering the same questions over and over again... Let em' stay retarded. I give it a four for the process. Aww, fuck it... make it a five for using halftones : ) |
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So much controversy...
Anyway I think it's a great shirt, and an interesting way the design was made. I would $urely buy it. |
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Ekaj47 - you make colour seperations for a living, good for you! I wish I could get a job that involved 15 minutes work with the output settings of photoshop (sreen>ink>frequency>angle>shape - big deal). Fair enough though, I believe you. I'm not convinced you've ever used those seperations for screen printing though and there is a big difference between preparing a photo halftone screen for screen print and plates for offset litho. Both the artwork and the screen have a frequency and this means you will get moiré if you don't align them properly. If you want a crappy looking burger on a shirt this may not be such a big deal of course... How anyone can say this is a creative use of colours is beyond me.
"and from your design on threadless, your unfinished web site with no portfolio, i can tell you dont know much about design or using illustrator..." Ha, ha, ha! Too funny burger boy, how can you tell I don't know anything about design if you haven't seen my portfolio? Let's just say that I make my living as a graphic designer while you make colour seperations in a print shop. |
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i hate this. Why would you waste your time doing this?!
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This seems to be the most controversial burger I've ever seen.
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webdreck - if your so good at design why does your only threadless submission not look like you know anything about design and why did it score so low if your so good? - i dont just do separations either smart guy, i do plenty of design work as well - and no crap there is a difference between screenprint on a shirt and offset litho, good job pointing that out. - if your so good why have you not finished your portfolio? surely you would want people to see your stuff right? so where is it? and the site you have looks like any other site - i've seen 7th graders make a better web site.
again - cmyk of course is not new - i've never seen anyone do it on threadless, that was the only reasoning for this - the subject matter can obviously be different -you can make the halftones as large as necessary for print - - but this was for a FREAKING EXTRA TASTY CONTEST AND WHAT IS MORE EXTRA TASTY THAN A FREAKING HAMBURGER - that is why its a burger on a shirt |
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Three things:
1. Red meat rules. Burgers are tasty! 2. I used to believe that ekaj47 worked in a shop, but now I think he just sits in front of his computer defending himself to a bunch of losers who have nothing better to do than carry on an excruciatingly long and futile argument about 4 color process. 3. Red meat rules! |
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I would love a burger on a t-shirt. I want one.
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ekaj47 - I'm not exactly sure why my submission displays such an ignorance of design (or is even relevant to a discussion of your "burger" shirt) but I don't really care what you think. Your superiority complex is risible. I count 13 of your submissions that scored lower than mine, you're not exactly a big hitter are you?
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webdreck - talk your trash i'll talk it right back - if you had only said you didnt like the logo it would have been done - your insane to check back on my art everyday to see what new i've said - usually people just say what they want and never check back - odd really - you say you dont care what i think but here you are writing back on my art telling me more crap i dont need to read - you may be infatuated with me
score doesnt really matter and i never claimed to be a the best designer - all 13 of those designs you speak of i would much prefer than a goofy looking guy with a horrible dotted outline and a tooth above his head, i'm sure anyone i ask would agree -would you even want to wear your crap design on a t-shirt? i doubt it |
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ekaj47 is right! Size doesn't matter. According to my priest I ..., oh SCORE doesn't matter. Right...
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i meant to say scores of those 13 already scored designs dont matter
size does play a role though - ask my lady when i comment on designs on threadless - i dont comment on the ones i dont like and i dont tell the person who submitted it why i hate it or how bad it is or they are wrong about their own art or they are idiots to submit this design, its just not what i would wear on my shirt and the 0-3 reflects that enough - when i comment on a design i let a person know i like it or what i like about it - no point in being an ass to someone for no reason unless they've been an ass to you first |
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Nice morey (sp?) pattern. Too bad they can't print it.
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Yep, a real 2k tshirts rip-off.
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I love how it looks real. Put a big fat, red "X" over it and I'd buy for sure.
I think it would be hillarious that way, actually. O, the vegetarian jokes! Still, I think it's creative. |
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im a vegetarian
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little peeved since I once submitted a design with a few large, single color halftones a while ago and got denied - they wouldn't even put it up.
Is threadless changing the guidelines here? |
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4, soley for the wank you've generated.
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i LOVE diesel sweeties!
and now i'm also quite hungry... $5 |
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Not a big fan. I don't care how pretty it looks, or how much a person might like carcass.
It's just a hamburger. |
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so, you blew up a picture of a burger and called it a t-shirt.
a little more effort is in order. |
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The infatuation continues...
I've just thought of something I really love about this submission, this from the description: "Best viewed from about a foot away from the computer or when printed on a shirt about a foot away from the wearer." Very funny! The shirt is best appreciated with your nose just 12 inches from the wearer's chest! Has this guy never heard of personal space? Even with a computer screen I like to be at least two feet away. Like I say very funny. Well done ekaj47, keep up the good work! |
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webdreck - your obviously a sad man to take every word so literally - you must be lonely and the internet is you mate - eat it
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to all of you besides mr webdreck the infatuated monkey - the comments have been fun - even if it is just a burger- its an extra tasty one
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Ellsswhere on Mar 20 '06 hey atleast you tried and havent given up yet
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ellswhere you can eat it and choke on it
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Sorry mates, I've been gone a few days. So who pissed furthest?
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This is a burger. There are many like it but this one is mine. I've made it 4 colors by doing a 4 color process separation on it. The halftones are plenty large and can be enlarged even more if need be. This process mainly works on light colored shirts, so white and natural.
By printing cyan, magenta, yellow and black transparent inks directly on top of each other they will blend and make the image seem like a full color design.
Best viewed from about a foot away from the computer or when printed on a shirt about a foot away from the wearer. Here is a link for a larger view.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c268/hicksllib/burger-colors4.jpg
To make this even more tasty if threadless was so inclined they could print a 5th color. The 5th color would be a gel ink and would only be printed on the lettuce, cheese, tomato and burger parts to make it seem wet and delicious.
Enjoy