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ej ronin
HERE IS WHAT THE TEXT SAYS ON THE BACK:

Metacognition: awareness and understanding of one’s
thinking and cognative process. Thinking about thinking.

Look at everything around you at any given time,and think about placement, color, names, dates, etc. You will discover that almost instantly, you have fresh ideas. Other times you come back to the original idea but under new light. This is the essence of all things great.

Great achievements are the learning from great failures. Develop, Maintain, and Evaluate - these are the basic principles of metacognition.

Enjoy a nice, relaxing glass of Metacognition today, andlet your failure become your success.

This statement defines how I overcome blacks of all kinds. In this case - designers block.


Head and carton cap are transparent, so it is NOT 5 colors, I just added the light blue so that you could see the other color I liked it in - light blue
JiuNoon
JiuNoon on Apr 28 '05
The placement of the nutritional facts is off. I think it'd be stronger centerred under the brain.

I don't like the face and spout being the color of the shirt. It looks kinda creepy. Then again, it may just be the khaki because I don't mind the light blue, but I'd consider making the face light blue for all shirts.

Otherwise, cool idea.
JiuNoon
JiuNoon on Apr 28 '05
Oops, just saw the other grey. Well, I think the face and spout in dark grey would be better than in khaki/shirt-colored.
idorgan
idorgan on Apr 28 '05
Here's a pretentious comment on a pretentious design.

I'm not sure that 'cognative' is even a real word. But that's by the by - cognate relates to birth, from 'cognasci', to be born (Latin). You're looking for 'cognitive', from 'cognoscere', to know.

There's nothing great about this. Even the grammar's poor. Am looking forward to the success of its successor, as promised.
ej ronin
ej ronin on Apr 28 '05
IDORGAN - very pretentious. How is the grammer bad - back up your claim. Food for thought - why dont you educate yourself a little and look it up. I have been kind enough to do it for you so that you dont ahve to trouble yoruself.

COGNATIVE: Having a basis in or reducible to empirical factual knowledge.

Used in the form above it implies that it is a way of rethinking your approach to the known...try it. It will help you.

JIU - I tried the dark grey for the face and the head, but it looked TOO bland, not having outlines in this design made it look very vague. Good idea though JiuNoon, thank you again for input.
ej ronin
ej ronin on Apr 28 '05
OH, IDORGAN - Cagnative and Metacognition were 9th grade vocabulary words for me...I know they are words.
ej ronin
ej ronin on Apr 28 '05
Oh and Jui - I study the female form...well not so much now, Im married, but I used to quite a bit
ej ronin
ej ronin on Apr 28 '05
OK I did misspell COGNITIVE.... on the comment section here and onthe image below the shirt. BUT, I spelled it right ON the shirt. Im told the back is hard to read - well duh - its a tiny image of the shirts.... thats why I posted what it really seays, and then ifit pronts it will be fine.
dave.adms
dave.adms on Apr 29 '05
like any one is going to read that text on the back
ej ronin
ej ronin on Apr 29 '05
....idorgan Im sorry you are right.....
whirzle1
   whirzle1 on Apr 29 '05
it took me a few seconds to realize what seemed out of place...I don't know if you intended it this way or not (if you did, then nevermind) but the carton isn't correct. On the side, where there's that triangular piece, it just goes straight back, like a triangular block. It should really go up and in, like a reverse spout.

Not a big deal, but, for me, it is distracting.

Also, for the sake of authenticity, you might want to left or full justify the text on the back.
invisibleelement
   invisibleelement on Apr 29 '05
yeah, agreed with Whirzle1 about the carton...
ej ronin
ej ronin on Apr 29 '05
yeah I cant fix that now, its here...a resub of any fixes will get declined, but if it printes I have fixed teh spelling, grammar and the justification on the text to full.
bassclefs
bassclefs on Apr 30 '05
I like this.
It reminds me a lot of the 'consumable' shirt though!
theseshirtslookalike
theseshirtslookalike on Apr 30 '05


all these comments are giving me a head ache.

bottom line is no one would ever wear this shirt.

it's dorky.
lithite
lithite on Apr 30 '05
it just plain sucks and the author is an arrogant ass.
ej ronin
ej ronin on Apr 30 '05
...okay, so how does this make me arrogant?...and how is this worse than a cheesey peanut and a hand drawn knife?
ej ronin
ej ronin on Apr 30 '05
Im sorry if I cant cater to the very small crowd who actually LIKES MS paint there LITHITE.... for the love of all that is holy SOMEONE please explain how this makes ME arrogant. It is a shirt that basically tells you that when you are stuck at a point where you can't think of anything else, take a break and rethink your complete approach. The answer is there....is continuing a search and being determined to finish what you starts makes me arrogant - then shit, Im guilty as charged
evilina
evilina on Apr 30 '05
This is my own personal taste, but I absolutely hate t-shirts with text on them, and even more so when they're printed at Threadless. This is a good idea, but the back seems very busy. I'd rather see it on a poster than a clothing item.
ej ronin
ej ronin on Apr 30 '05
...you own 2 shirts that have text from threadless, but I understand what you are saying
jeffdigital
jeffdigital on Apr 30 '05
Just accept the fact that this is a bad design.

I wouldn't even think of buying it.
ej ronin
ej ronin on Apr 30 '05
have I argued the greatness of the design? No, I argue the message. I also would expect people to explain themselves as much as they expect a person who submits things to explain their submission.
jeffdigital
jeffdigital on Apr 30 '05
Alright, since you've made such a big fuss about this shirt. I thought I'd take the liberty of re-posting my reasons why I don't like this shirt.

I don't like your most recent shirt because
1) I don't like the colors. They don't go well with that shirt color.
2) I don't get what the hell you're trying to say on the shirt.
3) It's pretentious and makes no sense.
4) I can't read the text on the back.
5) I don't like the drawing of the person on the milk carton.
6) It has no real ultimate meaning. Just like the rest of your shirts.
ej ronin
ej ronin on Apr 30 '05
1.) fair enough
2.) the message is simple "keep thinking" its fore the "how to beat designer blues. It doesnt say "how to beat designer blues" because threadless has said that they prefer you NOT to do that, as in teh maxim contest.
3.) pretentious...
uh... where other than the admitted bad grammer and a misspelled word( which I adress earlier in the comments), would I not know what Im talking about or where did I create an illusion of undeserved importance?
4.) the image is small so you cant read it, I've explained that already, which is why I retyped it inthe comments AND one th image....
5.) fair enough
6.) you just reworded your 4th point....

and Im guessing you copied each comment point here and made it one....kind og like your Bgraphics shirt you copied
6.)
ej ronin
ej ronin on Apr 30 '05
to everyone else... thank for the opinions... Ive made note of them and to some of your delight I may not do any more.
JEFFvsWORLD
JEFFvsWORLD on May 01 '05
Why have text on the back when you cannot read it?
momsaysimcool
momsaysimcool on May 01 '05
i like it. pretty cool
ej ronin
ej ronin on May 01 '05
the text oneht back will be readable if it prints. its actually 24 pt. but when I shrank the image you cant read it. To counter that, I retyped the text below the shirts...albeit the retype has bad grammar and a mis-spelled word. I'd like to add that on my master image I fixed teh grammar, justification to full, and the misspellings.
paper_cut
paper_cut on May 01 '05
absolutely 5
as a package designer i truly adore the content of the text
cause usually its so boring..
evilina
evilina on May 01 '05
theyre my husbands.
ej ronin
ej ronin on May 01 '05
ahh... ok, I can see that then, showing the support....I respectfully rectract the comment then evilina.
ej ronin
ej ronin on May 01 '05
OH and the ingredients read: Ceratonin, Synapse, Neural Impulse, Determination, Ambition, Creativity, Development, Maintainence, and Evaluation.
JarBGhast
JarBGhast on May 01 '05
who gives a shit what the ingredients read. I wouldnt wear this if it was mandatory.
ej ronin
ej ronin on May 01 '05
...so I am told.....
lithite
lithite on May 01 '05
so you know, i gave you a 3, here is why, if you need to know.

You rubbed me the wrong way when you posted 2 or three times in a row, arguing with yourself, climaxing at your admission that you were wrong. Thats what I meant when I said you were an arrogant ass. You think you know so much more than you do, and you are punk about it.

You argued for 5 POSTS against a well thought out and worded comment. You clearly think you know more than you do.

As for the shirt design, its not really my style. I dont like the idea. I think something about metacognition is a great idea, but I think the execution is sub-par for you. The carton doesnt look right in the corner, I dont like the face, strangely, I DO like the color scheme, but overall, I just think a better shirt could be made on metacognition. Maybe a thought bubble of a person with a thought bubble etc...

I just dont like the design, and I can't stand how you handled idorgan's comment.

You very clearly don't understnd the nature of the site, and after as many submissions as you have made, that surprises me. There will always be someone to dislike your shirt design.

In go nuts' defense, it's a pun. If you use your brain, you will get it.
sorry, that was a cheap shot, but I couldn't resist.
JEFFvsWORLD
JEFFvsWORLD on May 01 '05
I agree with lithite.

It's a bad design executed poorly. Try again.
JEFFvsWORLD
JEFFvsWORLD on May 01 '05
I'd also like to point out that half of the 36 comments left here have been by ej_ronin. What does that tell you?
ej ronin
ej ronin on May 01 '05
it tells us that I repsond to the people who comment...its not hard to figure out..
ej ronin
ej ronin on May 01 '05
I didnt htink the measure of a design was left ot the number of comments...I can like something and say nothing, and vice versa.
silenttsteeples
silenttsteeples on May 02 '05
FLIPPIN' SWEET.

end of story
5 + $

if you've never meditated, don't make unnecessary comments about something you obviously don't understand.
ej ronin
ej ronin on May 03 '05
well...for as "hated" as this is, it still sits here. Thanks in advance if it suddenly gets dropped.
gameyy
gameyy on May 03 '05
"i gave you a 3, here is why, if you need to know.

You rubbed me the wrong way when you posted 2 or three times in a row, arguing with yourself, climaxing at your admission that you were wrong."

People, we are rating designs here, not other users.

That said, I'm not particularly sold on this design, although I like the idea of a shirt dealing with metacognition, as was stated earlier.

-gameyy
Candygurl668
Candygurl668 on May 03 '05
The head and stuff seem off becuase of the angle, I understand that, but hte head color needs to change to somthing more of a flesh tone, or something more vibrant. The nutrition facts placement is PERFECT, just as it apprears on a real carton. I love the have you seen me pun.uhh.... I thought this site had more mature voters in that they would judge based on the look of the image and not the iamge of the artist. a couple commenters here really need to grow up. their initials are JEFFvsWORLD and LITHITE, but I guess they only embarass themselves
komodori
komodori on May 03 '05
I'm not keen on the carton itself, but I think you have a good idea. I like the nutrion facts portion most of all.

However, I would suggest el ronin that for your next submission you sit out on the commenting. In critiques I have always been taught to keep quiet and listen to the valuable input I am recieving unless asked a direct question.

But I do agree with the above comment about voting based on the design and not the artist
unknown7
unknown7 on May 04 '05
I agree with the above comment. Its the most rational thing Ive seen said on this site for a while. Oh yeah, and the image is creepy...
andrea allan roberts
andrea allan roberts on May 04 '05
i think the statement is awesome, i would totally sport your shirt. i think it would look better if the carton on the front of the shirt was off-center somehow, instead of so pronounced right in the middle. one big ol' bold image slapped front dead center, looks really generic and somewhat lame when it's worn.
the last sentence on the back makes for a bit of disappointment. the attitude it conveys detracts from any thoughtful effect the message may have, it lacks a creative edge that doesn't cheese up the whole idea to end it.
the "enjoy a nice, relaxing glass of ...," resembles too many other- use classic 50's "wholesome American family" marketing to add sarcasm, deliberately softened for society statements to add that sprinkle of irony, exhaustive bumpersticker wit and package it up all pretty communication deliveries.
could be that metacognition would be absorbed better through a method other than the suggested oral consumption.
ej ronin
ej ronin on May 04 '05
hmm...I hadnt thought of it that way. may next time I could do it up like a pain relief pad on someones head and it is administered via osmosis. Thats a damn good idea, thanks
jenkat
jenkat on May 04 '05
first of all, the fact that people are taking this much time to read all of these comments and respond says a lot about the design; it's getting attention, which is the point.
That said, I think that a t-shirt is just a t-shirt. Realistically, if someone were to wear it around, few people are going to take the time to figure out what it means and read all of the text on the back .
I think that the reason people are assuming that you're arrogant is because you are explaining the idea way to much. Give the viewers the benefit of the doubt. Part of the fun is is discovering what it means on your own. When you drive the point home, it leaves us feeling like we've been preached at. I do think that these people could have been a lot more tactfull in saying this!!!
jenkat
jenkat on May 04 '05
-when I say you're explaining the design too much, I'm referring to the chunk of text underneath Nutrition facts (not the comments); it reads like it's justification for the design.
ej ronin
ej ronin on May 05 '05
ahhh....ok....prior comments make more sense now.
sonneta
sonneta on May 05 '05
Place the container on the back with the rest of it. Perhaps just a line on the front center like "Metacognition". I think the container on the front looks out of place.
ej ronin
ej ronin on May 05 '05
ponts well made (mostly) I will take all of the CONSTRUCTIVE crits and apply them in the future. Thanks (most of you) and hey, it broke 2, so Im not overly dissapointed.
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