...no more war...

some options:
is possible

1- centre the behind part

2-changing front part with behind part

well..... it sucks! big time!

good fake...

This is a thought provoking concept and it improved through the critiques, kudos to you sir!

I like the art on this one.
However I have to say that this delivering freedom / bombs thing is - as true as it might be - getting on my nerves.

By the way the guy in green looks like a doctor in scrubs.

a terrorist doctor ^_^... could be a good idea for a new sit-com

he could declare a Jihad on type 2 diabetes ????

If only having "no war" were as easy as saying "no war".

@ maddingo- lol!

haha

@ gtoast99

it's easy if we want it ... stop reading "Gathering of Eagles"

Ok, we'll both try it at once, and see if it works... ready? GO!

stopping Recruitment ... if the governments spent time and use money in differents ways , we can say "no war".

If we stop recruitment, we have no military.

If we have no military, we have no defense.

If we have no defense, and other countries want what we have, we have a war.

Like I said, I wish it were that easy. I wish we could just *wish* war away.

But so long as there are people in the world who will use force to take away the things you own and the freedoms you have, there WILL be war. It's your choice if you want to stand up and fight for those things and for that freedom, of if you'd prefer to be poor and oppressed. It's your call.

the answer my friends is blowing in the wind the answer is blowing in the wind.

oh god damn it ... that is the problem I am wearing Birkenstock's today... yikes who knew that actually had such an effect?

Oh No... Im not even going to say anything :).. Keeping my mouth shut this time... Your welcome :)

If we stop recruitment, we have no military.

If we have no military, we have no defense.

If we have no defense, and other countries want what we have, we have a war

Amen... Thats all I am saying I swear!!

you and your army are the "people in the world who will use force to take away the things you own and the freedoms you have".
WAKE UP... nobody wants the things you own , but your government needs exploitation of low budget labour , petroleum, equatorial forest for woods and new fields for intensive agricolture...

No you WAKE UP, you live in a world of war. No one likes it.

if you can't understand ... it's not my problem

Im not saying I dont, I do and if I wasnt in the military I would probably feel the same, Im not saying anything bad, you have your opinion, and I can respect that.

you have a strange concept of respect.
you say "no one likes a world of war" but you are in the military , what you're saying doesn't make sense.

"If we stop recruitment, we have no military.
If we have no military, we have no defense.
If we have no defense, and other countries want what we have, we have a war"

if we change economy we have no military,
if we change economy we have no defense ,
if we change economy we have no war.

Ok, so what sort of economy do you suggest we change to that will make war *poof* disappear overnight?

What form of economy would make it so that no one has anything that anyone else wants enough to take it by force?

Remember, this economy change you're talking about would need to make eeeeveryone in the entire world *exactly* equal economically. Otherwise, people would get jealous, and bad people would go to war.

Not only that, you'd have to get rid of ALL poverty. Bad people without enough would be willing to go to war to get enough.

But even that's not enough. Bad people, even if they have enough, would want more, and they'd be willing to fight for it. So you'd have war, unless everyone lives in INSANE LUXURY. Unless everyone has so much luxury that they want for QUITE LITERALLY NOTHING, then there will be war to get it.

And let's not forget- even if they have everything, people will want it without having to work for it. And without a military to stop them, war is an easy way to get enough so that you don't have to work. So this economic change you're talking about would need to give them all this without working.

And there will still be war, even if it's not over food or luxury, if people get mad at each other. So your economic change will have to get rid of all negative emotions, too.

So let's recap, shall we? You're proposing an economic change that would

- give everyone everything they want
- give it to them without working for it
- get rid of all negative emotions including anger.

If these conditions aren't met, there WILL be war. Got any suggestions?

"Otherwise, people would get jealous, and bad people would go to war."
are you an action movie character?

I think that the answer is a real free trade , and not an american monopoly and a fake globalization.

Looks like the coolest doodle you made during a boring class. The concept is lacking. 0.

Ok, so everyone can trade freely with one another. And we disband all the militaries.

Me and my friends decide your neighborhood looks better than our neighborhood. We're going to come over with guns and take your house and your neighborhood.

1) How does free trade prevent this?
2) If there's no military, who will defend your neighborhood?
3) If you decide to stay and fight for your house along with your neighbors, and your neighbors are shooting at us, and we're shooting at them, how is this not a war?

So we've ruled out free-trade as an answer to war.

Care to try again?

@ gtoast99

you're right Genghis Khan

While I wouldn't take over your neighborhood by force, by calling me by the name of a historical figure who *would* do such a thing, you've turned your sarcastic "you're right" into a proof.

Well done, I'm glad you're learning something here today.

:(

Oh, and I'm still waiting to hear what new economic system you can come up with that will eliminate war and the need for a military to protect you.

my design is not against defense but against invasion disguised by defense

jalinfein on Apr 29 '08
stopping Recruitment ... if the governments spent time and use money in differents ways , we can say "no war".

jalinfein on Apr 29 '08
my design is not against defense but against invasion disguised by defense

So you no longer support counter-recruitment?

That's a start at least.

By the way, you said having "no war" is easy if we want it. I'm still curious how, seeing as you abandoned your first idea of "stop recruitment"

if you want understand well , if you don't ... well the same

I'm not here for making brainwashing

Wait... are you trying to say you no longer want to defend the assertions you made earlier in the comments?

Those last two posts didn't make a lot of sense, especially grammatically. Perhaps you can rephrase them and try again...

sorry for my english...
I critique the exasperated militarism of our days

No worries about your english, just trying to be clear about what you're trying to say.

A critique of militarism is one thing. Equating the US military (who fight on the behalf of civilians aginst those who would oppress them) to terrorists (who specifically target civilians) is quite another. And claiming that world peace can be achieved "easily" simply by economic change or counter-recruitment is pure fantasy.

I think that is a counter sense speaking about peace operation or "delivering peace" when you drop a bomb

If peace is the goal, it does seem counter intuitive to fight for peace.

But if you refuse to fight against those who would destroy it if you do nothing, you still haven't achieved the goal of peace. You don't fight, and they destroy the peace anyways by attacking innocent civilians.

They will give you war if you choose to fight back or not. Your only options are to fight back, or to give in to a life of oppression. You can fight the oppressors or become the oppressed. Again, it's your call. I think freedom is worth fighting for.

But for you to sit here and draw comparison between terrorists who intentionally target civilians in time of peace and the US military which is ready to fight and hopes it never has the need --
Well, that's an insult to every man and woman who has ever put on that uniform to defend you, your freedoms, and your privilaged way of life.

WAR = PEACE
FREEDOM = SLAVERY
IGNORANCE = STRENGTH

Welcome to US of A

its all fun and games until someone decides to bomb us back...wait for it.......waiiiitt


Anyways i like the concept. Our military are terrorists in this war but i do not like the drawing style.

"Our military are terrorists in this war"

Lemmie guess...
You support the troops, right?

So I'm a terrorist, I love the ignorance that threadless is coming to... It's like every week someone thinks its cool to bash on the people who are over there making sure that those countries can defend themselves, keeping them in good spirits so they don't take us out.. they can they have the means to do it.

Yes sure everyoce in a while we have to bomb something to keep the bad guys out, but it's the same here, people are always killing innocent people just because, look at all the school shootings, if they are just going to kill themselves what the hell was the point in the others?

If you don't like the military and how they run things, then you should think about moving to Australia or Canada...

Oh wait they are fighting with us....

I'm sorry that you have to see all this crap, Maria.

For what it's worth, I respect what you do. You're in school, raise a kid, and you're in the military- you must be some sort of superhero! Well, you're my hero anyways. Thanks.

gtoet99 write:Well, that's an insult to every man and woman who has ever put on that uniform to defend you, your freedoms, and your privilaged way of life.

stop writing please you are too claim for me
after 8 september 1943 ,after italian armistice , Italy was war torn by american and english army

bombardment by english and american army on the nations of the axis during the second world war killed 3.500.000 civiles : never prosecute a process.

about The United States Department of War ufficial files only in Germany were killed 1.080.000 civiles
destroyed 3.600.000 of their houses , making 7.500.000 homelesses.

It's false and instrumental sustaining that bombardment over Germany was a consequence against the german bombardment over England.
first objective was the universitary town of Freiburg without military objectives.
A lot of german and italian artistic and universitary town were war turn but Cambridge , Oxford or Edinburgh were never bombed.

I can also speak about Hiroshima or Nagasaki...

can you call it "delivering peace"?

Wow, you're actually defending Nazi Germany as your way of attacking the US military?

Take your own advice and stop writing. please.

I'm defending innocents german civiles not Nazi Germany

us military 3.500.000 civiles vs nazi germany 5-6.000.000 civiles jews

OH NO HE DI-INT!

What kind of a fucking neo-Nazi fascist are you?

You're seriously going to condemn the Allies for killing civilians in the liberation of Europe because it's almost as much as the number of Jews that died in the Holocaust? A further 3 million Poles were killed in the death and concentration camps alone. 4 million Allied POWs died in Axis camps, mostly Soviets and prisoners of Japan. 20 million Soviet civilians died!

Here's a thought for you: How many Jews do you think would have died if we hadn't defended the free nations of Europe from Nazi agression?

And do you think you'd have the freedom to draw something like this if we hadn't?

you are the nazi fascist for justifing the death of 3.500.000 of innocents

your numbers are fucking bullshite as squatterjohn suggests.


btw the ol Nazis were working on a atomic bomb where do you suppose the research for that might be taking place (hint... could it be Universities????)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Casualties_by_country

btw the Germans "accidently" bombed Freiburg in 1940...BAD FORM TEAM KILLS CAN GET YOU BANNED FROM THE SERVER.

you are insane also btw.

Ummmm....I'd like it more if it had lots of birds and trees. Maybe not.

What the fuck happened in here?

also i haven't added the civilian deaths up by team but assuming you 3.5 mil number is correct for allied caused civilian deaths that means the rest of the 41,830,600 civilian (not including the holocaust victims) are caused by the Axis


so.... killing 3.5 million civilians trying to stop the killing of 38+ million civilians seems like it might "suck" but ya know?

There were over 10 million Jews in Europe and Palestine before WWII.

If we hadn't fought the Nazis, they all would have been killed.

That's another 4 million people, whose deaths you appear to be justifying by suggesting we not fight WWII.

congratulations on twisting logic and common sense to whatever almost unprecedented levels to think America is the bad guy however.

I skipped to the bottom after a while. It's infinitely more complicated than just stopping war in it's tracks. The war will find us eventually.

hey hey...it's only a design against war, anytipe of war.
war of a terrorist or a militarist. war produces only dead people and I say that it's impossible justifying the killing of 3.500.000 innocents for saving another 4.000.000 .
that's all

So, are we even talking about the design anymore??

Well, you can never stop all wars all together....its just imposible in the conditions and state of world we live in.

But, we can prevent wars that are waged unjustly....and we can prevent wars like the one we're in now. I think we should focus on these preventions instead of arguing the prevalence of war.

Wow. Quite the discussion. Let me just get my toes a little wet.

Ahem - Who gives a shit about 'how many' of these died and 'how many' of those died? Every single person who died - on either side - was a person. I find it obnoxious, jalinfein, that you would use those people as a doormat to further your own interests.

THAT is exactly the type tactic used by the governments that you claim to despise and disassociate yourself from. It is commonly known as propaganda.

You are very quick to point fingers and call people names. That's not very peace loving either.

And I think that you would do much better if you stopped being a smug, self important "artist" (especially after reviewing your submissions for critique and your slogan submissions).

Think about this for one second - it may be hard - it requires you to stop thinking about yourself for a couple of seconds:

There is a difference between being taught and learning.

"You can fight the oppressors or become the oppressed"
Nice bumper sticker, but don't forget the third option -- becoming the oppressor. That's what we need to prevent.

I agree that we need to protect ourselves but all this talk about "people in the world who will use force to take away the things you own" would be a much better argument around the time of Pearl Harbor. It's hard to justify the war in Iraq by saying we're just innocently protecting something we own. It could even be said we're doing the opposite -- obtaining another country's oil by force. You can justify it by saying we're merely sustaining our lifestyle and culture (by force, which is necessary, since you can't just buy oil, right?) but let's not kid ourselves into thinking we can use the same justification as the people we are at war with and still claim the moral high ground.

"I think freedom is worth fighting for." -- yeah, me too!

Unfortunately Iraq is a war over oil, not freedom. Anyone remember how we were gonna get Osama bin Laden because he attacked us, our way of life, and our freedom? What happened to that guy? He ain't hanging out in Baghdad or Fallujah. Funny how we abandoned the search for the guy who brought on 9/11 and went right after the oil. I guess we're liberating it from the sand. SWEET FREEDOM!

Of course we need a military, the question is how we are going to use it. To blindly support every use of force, and to describe the current Bush-led military as being "ready to fight and hopes it never has the need" is as much a fantasy as thinking that stripper who giggles at your jokes really thinks you're funny. A populace that blindly supports its government has already handed away much of its freedom. Unfortunately too many people confuse that blind acceptance with patriotism.

If what you say is true then war is an inevitable part of the human condition. So, do we just stay in a constant state of war? Nobody wants that, so what's the answer? Genocide? Kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out? If that's your answer have the balls to say it. Luck for us we're the only country that has innocent civilians, huh?

Know what just kind of struck me as funny Jalinfein? In a way, you're having a war with gtoast99 and the rest of us. You're getting attacked so you're defending yourself.....interesting.

"History has proven conclusively that the naive, wishing for peace, has always been the surest possible way to encourage an aggressor."

You may not agree with the current war(s) or political administration but it is ignorant to believe that the United States could exist without a military. You might as well get rid of police officers because you are pissed that you got a speeding ticket. Don't support the administration, support the idea.

I find this very insulting. I am a soldier and a former recruiter. I don't approve of the killing of innocents and I certainly don't want anyone in the military who does not wish to be there. I am very proud of my service and from reading your posts, I feel that you are speaking from a position of pacified ignorance and it is disturbing. Imagine if we didn't have a military in 1942. I suppose you would be speaking Japanese right now. You may want that, I don't know. I love my freedom and will continue to fight for it one way or another.

We maintain the military to protect our national identity and freedoms. Those freedoms include the freedom of speech and religion. Speech being the one that allows you (Yes, allows) you to write this diatribe. I say allow because there are a number of countries that do not allow such a freedom to which we are all accustomed. Two such countries were Afghanistan and Iraq. I am not justifying the invasion of either but what I am saying is that because we have done so, it is now a freedom that those people enjoy. Many of my comrades have uttered the words, "I may not agree with you but I will fight to the death for your right to say it." That is something that I believe in wholeheartedly. What I want is that you understand what the freedoms you seem to take for granted have cost me and mine.

Also, calling the military a terrorist organization is about as insulting as walking up to me and pissing on my feet. In fact, I would love it if you came up to me and called me a terrorist. My friends have died because of terrorism. I am sure I am not the only person on this site who lost someone in New York, D.C., or PA on 9/11. I have also lost friends in Iraq and Afghanistan. They were there fighting for other people's freedom and your insult in calling them terrorists is beyond wrong. How dare you call them terrorists. HOW DARE YOU say that a friend of mine is a terrorist who stopped to help a woman and her baby who died because the same woman blew herself and her kid up just to kill one more American soldier. You need to check yourself back into reality because your statements show just how grounded in ignorance you are.

Perhaps what you need to do is to find yourself a country that doesn't have a military. I can't think of one that isn't under the direct protection of another country though. I suppose there are some island nations out there that have no military or no protection. If you hate us so much, please just go there so I don't need to spend my time knowing I am fighting to make sure people like you continue to spew the verbal diarrhea that you do.

There is a very big difference between a soldier and a terrorist.

ah geez.
who opened the comment gates again?

now I understand because I never saw a political design on threadless .

@talking bull
"History has proven conclusively that the naive, wishing for peace, has always been the surest possible way to encourage an aggressor."

Mars' history or Mel Gibson's history ?

sorry for my english...
edit:
now I understand why I never saw a political design on threadless .

edg:

"becoming the oppressor. That's what we need to prevent. "
Sorry I missed that, and I agree.

"It's hard to justify the war in Iraq by saying we're just innocently protecting something we own."
Nope, we're protecting what the Iraqi's own by working towards equal rights, freedoms, and a democratic society. We're not there yet, but we're working on it.

"Unfortunately Iraq is a war over oil, not freedom."
Tell that to the Kurds.

"If what you say is true then war is an inevitable part of the human condition. So, do we just stay in a constant state of war?"
No. We need to show would-be dictators, tyrants, and rouge states that a) we have the best military in the world. they don't stand a chance. and b) that we have no qualms about using it should they step out of line. Furthermore, (I'll save you the trouble of bringing it up) the American people need to maintain a check on that military force. Your check comes again this November, as well as every day that you don't call your congressmen and voice your opinion.

In essence, we need to be prepared for war in order to discourage it.

Talking Bull:

Thanks for your service. I really and truly appreciate it.

This blog is making my head hurt.... I am glad I gave up on trying to prove everyone wrong :)

"I am glad I gave up on trying to prove everyone wrong"

lol, I need to work on that.

Talking Bull: Thanks for that, I agree w/ you 100%. I also feel insulted when people submit things like this bc I am by no means a terrorist, and it kind of pisses me off that people who are not in the military, have never been to Iraq and had an insurgent 's gun to their head asking them to save theirs, talking shit about things they have no idea about.

Lol no your doing a good job haha.

Ok 1 last thing....

Imagine if we didn't have a military in 1942. I suppose you would be speaking Japanese right now.

Bahaha.... I love this guy.

in usa nobody never dropped a bomb.
you are talking shit about things you have no idea about.
you are an exploited martyr of a sick structure

Who said anything about dropping bombs on the USA? In Afghanistan I had at least 1 a day dropped on our camp.

" jalinfein on Apr 30 '08
in usa nobody never dropped a bomb.
you are talking shit about things you have no idea about."

O Rly?

you don't know what is a war in your own nation

What are you talking about, you are confusing the shit out of me, do you even know what you are saying?? Why do you even live in America?

I live in Italy

Oh..... So did you know that your country fights with America in this war? I fought side by side with them... So are you calling men in the military in Italy terrorist too?

NATO Countries in Afghanistan and Iraq:
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
France
Iceland
Italy
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
United Kingdom
United States
Greece
Turkey
Berlin
Spain
Czech Republic
Hungary
Poland
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Albania

In case you cant see ITALY is #6.

Italy is in the same sick structure

Why do you have such hatred, I know that a lot of people die in war, no one wants war, but as long as there is Land, Money, and Religion, I don't think war will ever stop. The best we can do is fight for what we believe in and our country. I didnt come into the military wanting to kill innocent people, but if I have to to save me and my friends next to me, I do what I have to do.

I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces
I eat no breath-mints 'cause their from de-hoofed horses
Now I can't believe; what an absolute failure
The president's laughing 'cause we voted for Nader.....(NOFX)

Nice job Jalinfein

We are not saying that you can't have your own opinion on war, but saying that all military members are terrorists, well thats just bull shit. I hope I never have to pull that trigger at another human being, but if it comes down to it, I would rather kill one person than 10. Until you have been in the situation you don't have any idea how it is for us.

I think Chuck Norris can stop terrorism.

terrorists think that militarists are the bad
militarists think that terrorists are the bad

who's right?

the same brainwashing is used on a terrorist or a militarist.
you are a martyr like a terrorist.
also a terrorist fight for what he believe in and his country.
?

WAR = PEACE
FREEDOM = SLAVERY
IGNORANCE = STRENGTH

?

[Orwell - 1984]

I'm not saying that they don't see us as terrorists, I know that they probably do, but for YOU to say that I am a terrorist, when we are supposed to be on the same team is what is hard to understand. Are you rooting for the taliban and al qada?

no I don't think that you are like a terrorist .
I think that terrorists and militarist are like yin and yang

Militaries existed long before the age of terrorism.

I think jalinfein is more concerned with his country's defeat in WWII. I thought that most thought like this had been eradicated from Europe. Italians and German civillians were killed during the liberation of Europe from the Axis and he would rather blame the Allies for this because they fought back rather than the Axis for starting the war in the first place. I can't understand why, but it seems he would rather be living in a fascist country than a democracy.

no is more complex.
I critique the absurdity of our world.
I think that we can to prevent nazis or terrorists and wars with a morally righter system

We probably could do that, if everyone else in the world thought like you do. but they dont.

But you can't. The world had a morally righter system than Nazism. It was called democracy. But democracy couldn't defend itself when Nazism arrived from outside, with tanks. People had to fight for it.

it's not a democracy...it's only the illusion of the democracy

"You can't fight city hall." "Death and taxes." "Don't talk about politics or religion." This is all the equivalent of enemy propaganda, rolling across the picket line. "Lay down, GI! Lay down, GI!". We saw it all through the 20th Century. And now on the 21st Century, it's time to stand up and realize, that we should NOT allow ourselves to be crammed into this rat maze. We should not SUBMIT to dehumanization. I don't know about you, but I'm concerned with what's happening in this world. I'm concerned with the structure. I'm concerned with the systems of control. Those that control my life, and those that seek to control it EVEN MORE! I want FREEDOM! That's what I want, and that's what YOU should want! It's up to each and every one of us to turn loose of just some of the greed, the hatred, the envy, and yes, the insecurities, because that is the central mode of control, make us feel pathetic, small, so we'll willingly give up our sovereignty, our liberty, our destiny. We have GOT to realize we're being conditioned on a mass scale. Start challenging this corporate slave state! The 21st Century's gonna be a new century! Not the century of slavery, not the century of lies and issues of no significance, of classism and statism, and all the rest of the modes of control... it's gonna be the age of humankind, standing up for something PURE and something RIGHT! What a bunch of garbage, liberal, Democratic, conservative, Republican, it's all there to control you, two sides of the same coin! Two management teams, bidding for control of the CEO job of Slavery Incorporated! The TRUTH is out there in front of you, but they lay out this buffet of LIES! I'm SICK of it, and I'M NOT GONNA TAKE A BITE OUT OF IT! DO YA GOT ME? Resistance is NOT futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, WE'RE NOT A BUNCH OF UNDERACHIEVERS, WE'RE GONNA STAND UP, AND WE'RE GONNA BE HUMAN BEINGS! WE'RE GONNA GET FIRED UP ABOUT THE REAL THINGS, THE THINGS THAT MATTER - CREATIVITY, AND THE *DYNAMIC* *HUMAN* *SPIRIT* THAT REFUSES TO *SUBMIT*! WELL THAT'S IT, that's all I've got to say. It's in your court now."

waking life

jalinfein, You are an emotional terrorist. Going back and forth with people here. Failing to accept history in it's entirety. America has seen plenty of war within it's own borders. Of course, the Revolutionary War (America V. England) and American Civil War took place a long time ago.

You critique the "absurdity of the world". To understand the subjects you talk about, you should take your head out of world war II and Iraq and look to the past.

War has been around for a very long time. People have been protesting war for a long time.

War existed before us and, subsequently, will exist long after we are gone. Some wars are "necessary". War is not pleasant nor wanted.

It is a waste of time and energy to come here and try to debate everyone on morals. This is a sight for artists to come and express themselves (which you have done) and accept the responses of the people who come here. You do not have to agree.

You should also keep in mind that there is a capitalistic and democratic process going on here. No matter what your politics, you came here and submitted a design. That puts you square in the center of that no matter how moral you think you are.

Now, let's see if we can actual start a dialog that would be useful and, perhaps, beneficial.

One last thing - there are PLENTY of political designs here. Some are more obvious and some are subtle.

The thing is that they and many others are all here - posted for everyone to see. Would the world be like that if things in the past had gone a different way?

gtoast99 on Apr 29 '08
I respect what you do. You're in school, raise a kid, and you're in the military- you must be some sort of superhero! Well, you're my hero anyways. Thanks.

Maria and Johnathan, you are my heroes as well. Thank you for all the freedoms I enjoy.

Wars have existed since the dawn of man. As long as there are differences with race, religion, political standing, education, money, lifestyle ideas, eating habits, hair color - there will be disagreements which lead to fighting. And as long as we have weaponry - no matter with bullets or with fists - there will be fighting which lead to wars. I'm a pacifist myself, but the idea to 'end all wars' sounds like something ripped out of a fairy tale. No society has ever been without it, and it won't happen as long as man exists.

Aside from that- the art is too cartoony for such a serious concept and the layout is confusing. Stickmen? Really? 2

This is seriously a "brave" T-shirt.....and I don't understand the criticism.
You deserve respect man....
Great job

I don't respect people who dont respect me, its that golden rule thing that has been impounded in my head since I was little :)

Thanks Mr. Anon.

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I gave this some more thought and came to the conclusion that jalinfein probably believes the following:

No military = no war
No police = no crime
No doctors = no illness

This type of thinking is clearly flawed and I won't continue to argue with a brick wall. I have better things to do.