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lmao
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This is really well done. Great color scheme. I think this may be your best one yet.
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wow. that's a wonderful illustration
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I think I like it!
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beesneak on Jan 17 '08 Very cool!
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Wonderful detail
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well done! great detail
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mathiole on Jan 17 '08 i want this!
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napoleon didnt fail, his army did :)
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nice!
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So who else is on this shirt? I recognize Napoleon, who no historian will tell you is a failure, and General Lee. But who else is on it? Is that supposed to be Mulan?!?!?
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opifan64 on Jan 17 '08 haha... looks great!
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uh, mulan did not fail. she blew the huns up with fireworks.
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Pretty cool. Some of the lines on the face are a little weird, but I'll five ya anyway.
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It's Joan of Ark.
And Freud. I think. And...Some other guy. Wait, are they all French? Is that not Freud? |
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It is Joan of ark.
It is NOT Freud. ha hah a |
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If i understand the joke correctly, I think you'll be able to find all those people on this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_people
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love it
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jstumpenhorst on Jan 17 '08 super cool!
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Maxist, I think one of the persons above is General E. Lee.
If so, then it's not only French people. If not, then I'm a general failure too. |
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roadkill3d on Jan 17 '08 lulz. good one.
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classicoke on Jan 17 '08 hint: one of them was forced to commit suicide after suspected involvement in a plot to kill the nations leader.
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Rommell, Robert E. Lee, Napoleon, Joan of Arc
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oh, yes, Rommell, i should have got that...nice job!
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I spelled it wrong. Erwin Rommel aka "The Desert Fox"
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ohhh, ok.
I thought is was playing off the 'French people lose wars frequently' stereotype. Now i dont get it. Besides being burned at the stake, i though joan of arc succeeded. One of the earliest true feminists, right? |
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classicoke on Jan 17 '08 but as a general, she lost, was captured and failed:
wikipedia; A skirmish on May 23, 1430 led to her capture. When she ordered a retreat, she assumed the place of honor as the last to leave the field. Burgundians surrounded the rear guard. still, this isnt just a piece about failure. I was inspired by a kubrick documentary. the narrator said that kubrick was fascinated by napoleon and how a genious could fail. i was too and decided to make a shirt about great generals that, in the end, failed. |
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classicoke on Jan 17 '08 point of interest: i originally planned to include hannibal barca but decided not to. dont remember exactly why. probably cause he would be very hard to identify to the untrained eye.
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Someone thought it was *Mulan*.
I despair. (Gorgeous design.) |
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dacat on Jan 17 '08 The concept is good, the execution amazing $5
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Ok, now that this is all sorted out, my only criticism is that Joan of arc doesn't fit in.
I'm glad that the others failed, whereas Joan of arc was doing something noble. I'm uncomfortable with the fact that you grouped heroes and villains of history together. But that doesn't change the fact that this is a great design. It has certainly made me think, and it looks good, so it has done its job. |
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Brillant as always.
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joan of arc napoleon and robert e lee.
who is the other guy? |
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AT MULAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God, I just died inside. This design is fucking awesome, by the way. |
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Is it weird that I recognized Rommel right away? too much History Channel, perhaps
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FRICKINAWESOME on Jan 18 '08 I recognized Robert E Lee, Napolean and Joan of Arc right away, but not Rommel. Way to reverse worlds czar! lol. I really enjoy this design as it is filled to the brim with decadent detail , but thinking about a bestee for next year kinda turns me off. Don't design with awards in mind, do it for the love of the concept....and maybe the winnings that ensue a tiny bit. Nice one.
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I think it's still too soon to be making light of Joan of Arc. Have some sensitivity, people!
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classicoke on Jan 18 '08 FRICKINAWESOME: of course i didnt design with an award in mind. when i subbed i realized that this might be consider somewhat controversial but not very. it was a joke =)
Maxist: interpretations can never be wrong but the way i see is that history is written by the winners and their cause is usually recorded as the noblest. still i understand what you mean and perpahs you can take comfort in the fact that i decided to place her the center =) |
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bananaphone on Jan 18 '08 rommel was brilliant, not a failure at all...
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uncomfortable with the fact that heroes and villains are grouped together? this isn't a design about heroes and villains. it's a design that all of these people are generals, and are failures.
i'm not sure how that would make you uncomfortable. |
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Your detailing on this is excellent, classicoke -- but I think you could make a more interesting statement than "general failure." For some reason, the Dire Straight's song "Brothers in Arms" came to mind looking at this sub.
All those portrayed are still respected for their battle skills, irrespective if they won the cause they were fighting for -- which makes "general failure" an oversimplification. (sorry, can't keep the history nerd in me under control :P) |
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Joan of Arc wasn't a general, and none of the others were 'failures' in any meaningful sense of the word. (But with regard to an earlier comment: None of these people were 'villains,' either.)
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good design, but i have to agree, none of these were failures per se. they may have lost their last battle or been on the wrong side but are regarded as great tactitions
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classicoke on Jan 18 '08 which would be the point of the design =)
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great!
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I wuv it! The design looks great.
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xiaobaosg on Jan 19 '08 i love it !
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and there we have it. 5
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It isn't so much controversial, it is more of a matter determining whose portrait is most appropriate and if they all really fit being put together in this portrait...such as, putting all the lunatic tyrants from WWII would be a nice sitting...Tojo, Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini. I have to agree with manateebob, Lee and Rommel were on the losing sides, but Rommel was restrained by Hitler who was the real failure. Anywho, I would buy a tee with the WWII loonies on it...good concept...
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OOH_OOH on Jan 20 '08 very nice illustration.
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Joan of ark...........Read your history you silly boy..not so much controversial as confused and constipated
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Ill give this design one penny and that's only so you can chuck it in to a wishing well and ask for a brain
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Anyone notice the dice on the bottom?
This really changes my interpretation of the design...almost as if these people lost by chance, that their losing was really out of their control but they're seen by many as failures because of it. Of course I know absolutely nothing about history so I'm not sure if that was actually the case. |
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Oh, and 5'd
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classicoke on Jan 20 '08 finally! you clever cow :)
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..you thrown that penny in the well yet!
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i love napoleon.
that's what european history does to a person. and joan of arc was beast. and those two don't fit with the others. i'd go for a more connected group. old people (before 1890) and young people (after 1890). it was jarring to see joan or arc and lee in the same scene. i do like the dice, though. very nice. p.s. napoleon had micropenis. |
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$5
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Ste7en on Jan 21 '08 Green + oval shape = my kind of design
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wowsers
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Holy Ish. Why must people argue about history over a T-SHIRT. The artistic aspect of this is great, I could care less about a discourse on what failure is and whom in history has displayed it. 4.
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great job.
nice details. |
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(matthijs) on Jan 22 '08 I'd be uncomfortable wearing a shirt with a nazi on it, but that might be just me... Would you wear a Hitler shirt?
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fatheed on Jan 22 '08 Amazing illustration. I think perhaps you could have given the design a different name as this is the sticking point for most people. People tend to associate these people with accomplishment, before failure - love the snake eyes! The house wins!
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Great idea; great drawing; good design; ok execution. Not for my taste.
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wicked! 5
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Brilliant. High $5 for you.
I was also getting the french are failures vibe at first glance, but the deeper meaning sank in after a while. I hope to see it printed, but the mixed reception doesn't bode well. |
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I agree about the mixed reception: those who know their history and those that don't
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classicoke on Jan 23 '08 mixed reception? i have one negative comment so far.
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classicoke on Jan 25 '08 didnt matter...
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