Well here we are again. This is one of my so called “while talking on the telephone” doodles.

Especially those little ideas, that very often end up being classified as tees, they very often start out as a subconscious doodle on what ever is available while I’m on the phone.

And then maybe at a later stage (a moment when I maybe stay in danger of getting bored), I refine the doodle i Photoshop, and before you know it, I have a new character ore something.

In this case it is another on in a series I’m working on. They all have the same features, with just a ball for a head, and that’s it. Legs, arms ore any hardware is just stuck right on to the head.

But every one of them has features that are distinct for just that one character. And that feature usually indicate a profession ore/and an archetype.

So here’s another one, let’s see if anybody want some Norwegian design on their tee.



Peace and love to you all

the artwork on the character has a real awesome style, but the design itself is kinda plain. maybe some kind of background?

SorryThe design is what it is.

I can't change my designs because of peoples different preferences. So no, there is not supposed to be any background. I have a reason for that decision, but I don't like to reveal ore discus the different motifs I have for doing what I do.

Thanks a lot for the nice comment

neat illustration, but it seems rather stark. does it have to be on white? a blue might go nicely with it =]

I like the design, but it looks plain on white. It's missing something..

Like I said, I AM NOT INTERESTED IN HOW OTHER PEOPLE WOULD HAVE DONE IT IF THEY KNEW HOW TO!

I'm only interested in if you like it ore not. How you would have done it is totally beside the point. If you have ideas, learn Photoshop (anybody can do it) ore some other less expensive graphics software (it doesn't really take that much), and stick it on a tee.

We will all be delighted to give our opinion...

The exception for this, is of course if you have years of experience in working in the real world with design and illustrating, and then as a result actually know what you are talking about (not your personal taste).

If anyone have suggestions whether how to improve the design, you need to tell me why. And you need to tell me what you base your assumptions on.

That is how you give constructive criticism, when and if you posses the criteria for doing so.

In professional design and marketing, personal preference represent a trap.

I have made I decent living as an Illustrator and designer for more than eight years now, and I have been drawing and painting as long as the two persons above has been alive added up.

Don't take this rant personal you two, cos you are in good company. This place is crawling over with "young" people with obviously no other wish then to tell everybody how they would have done it (like I said ...if they could).

But you all need to know that your opinion doesn't count for squat if you don't know what you are talking about. In that case one should limit one self to say if you like it ore not. That would be more then adequate.



Peace and love to you all

I'm not telling you what to do different, but the only way I would wear it is if the shirts color was not white. The maroon color is nice. :)

i don't think it'll rate well. it's boring and average - there's nothing interesting in this design. it's just a character that could have been printed anywhere.

Posn on Dec 23 '07

... I'm only interested in if you like it ore not. ...



*sigh*

i don't like it.

sorry, i don't like it

You finally got it....welcome after kids

This is just childish bullshit. I'll think I will leave this amateur pages to the wanabees in the future.

Just bechause I don't suck up to little kids and their pubertal opinions, I don't get a fair cut?

That really sucks.

How do I know I'm right and the kids are wrong? you might ask. Well, have a look at this http://www.redbubble.com/people/perovesleen/clothing/475632-1-blue-fallen-angle



And don't forget that the people that have commented on this page are accomplished artists every one of them. If you go on checking you will see that in thees pages I have actually sold a bunch, as opposed to here on threadless.

On threadless there is too many wanabees and not enough artists that actually contribute. It is typical that only ONE of the kids above have contributed anything else than their worthless personal opinion.

You see most of them don't buy tees either (most kids don't have money apparently), so their opinion doesn't count.

And like I said, I have made, and are still making a great living doing what I do. And still I NEVER listen to ANYONE, I make what I make take it ore leave it. And STILL I make a great living.... go figur

Threadless users ARE your market audience. so yes you may want to submit designs that will appeal to us. I took a look at redbubble.com's featured t-shirts and they are all designs that would be rejected here so that's hardly worth mentioning in your favour.

You are so completely pretentious, and have no reason to be. Your ideas and designs are average at the most.

Shamefully loads of people have bad taste in design and anyone can make money as a designer/illustrator if they find the right martket. So that's not going to convince anyone here of your greatness.



Try trading in that know-it-all attitude for a little modesty.

Dude. no one told you what they'd do if they knew how to do it. your taking a teeshirt design just a little bit too seriously

I honestly think that teenagers are your target audience for these shirts and if they don't like it... well its not getting printed.

(everyone at my school has started wearing threadless)

this is obviously not a typical threadless teeshirt and will probably not be printed

if you look at ANY other design that was actually printed on here the had a meaning of some sort.



this has no point its a weird looking devil thingy.



I don't like it.

and quite frankly if I had done the design... oh wait I wouldn't have done the design. because it has no point to it.

you can have fun on your redbubble.com place

not on white... maybe on rasberry or black, I'm just stating my opinion.. I love it though...



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i agree you are goin bonkers over standard threadless comments, standard critique comments as well. fact is youre not a design god, regardless of what you think. the point you got right is that it is you design and you can choose to do what you want, and defend your design choices. but dont get on people for not having similar tastes. the comments you got were basic constructive criticism, they didnt knock your design or demand changes they simply pointed out the obvious fact that this design overall is a lil plain. it does show photoshop skills, which many appreciate but in the end it doesnt have the wow factor. so i think instead of getting crazy and over reacting to opinions, especially ones that are trying to help make your design more acceptable to the site of which you submitted it to be voted on and to be PRINTED, and listen to what people have to say and maybe youll get a deisng printed...

I am obviously provoking the little ones....great that is inspiring. That's what art is for ... oh yes!

And no I am not here to sell tees. I have my own agenda. Like I said I already have a market.

On threadless I test different things. I can't tell too much, cos that would just spoil it.

And by the way, I am not on Redbubble.com to have fun, but to make money, as opposed to threadless where I only do marketing research (and argue with nitwits when I am bored he he :-).



But still I love your comments, and that goes for ALL of you. Keep it up you are making my day he he

I would never kiss up to anyone, in order to sell my art. Then I'd rather do something else for a living. Like going back to being a musician ore something...

Excuse me sir, but you are full of it. I never ever log on to this site -- I merely browse through the comments and scoff at designs my girlfriend sends me. Every single one of your t-shirts is perfectly awful and look like they fell out of the West 49 bargain bin. What's more, you are a rampant jackass with absolutely no ability to accept criticism and a thoroughly undeserved overblown sense of conceit that makes me almost gag with disgust. Honestly, you are both a frighteningly bad artist AND frighteningly stupid.



First of all, your spelling. I know that you aren't English, but we have a little program over here called "spellchecker". You can download almost anywhere--in fact, it comes bundled with many word programs. I suggest getting a hold of it. In the end, it won't help with your grammar and it's a damn shame that there isn't a program out there which could make you less of an egotistical self-absorbed jackass.



Beyond everything else, you are over forty. Get a hold of yourself. Those "kids" you are bashing for having no sense of judgment have numerous qualities that you seem to lack: first and foremost, taste. Yeah, some of them like some pretty shitty stuff, but yours is atrocious. It's egregious. If I wasn't an atheist I'd inform you that you're going to hell, condemned forever for visiting such pain upon our eyeballs. Second, they have both better spelling and grammar than you, and I'm sure they aren't English either. Three, they've got humility and I'm sure most of them can accept criticism, instead of whining and lashing out randomly. Considering both your behaviour and your designs, I find it incredibly difficult to believe that you are over fifteen. In fact, that's it, isn't it? You are faking your age. Give up, now. You've been outed and I'll never believe anything you have to say to the contrary.



They are telling you how to improve the design--which is thoroughly unsaveable, by the way--and you turn around and tell them you don't want their opinion, you just want to know if they like or not. The first problem with that is that those two things are the very same. The second is, you just want to hear that they like it. You've got some sort of mad vision wherein you are a good graphic designer and also that you are always right. So far, I haven't seen you show even one iota of talent or originality. You have no spark. You have no verve. You aren't even intelligent. You are below average. You, sir, are the lowest common denominator and you bring nothing to this site. Never have I seen people so united against someone. You are despicable.



Oh, and last of all: "Market research"? Give me a fucking break, you clown.

stefakn said it way better then i did... congrats

oooaow taking it personally are we? stefakn you are also just a kid, and I wouldn't expect anything else.

Sorry about the spelling. I have and use a spell checker I have installed with Firefox, but it must be fuc...

Hope I didn't offend your fragile mind kid... :-) he he

Clown?.... hmm that is not a bad thing to be. Clowns are cool. As opposed to assholes

This is a fake account, right?

Fine, I'm 35, and I'm not a kid, and I think your attitude and art sucks. How's that? Normally I'm not this rude, but your dismissiveness of people's opinions just because they're in their teens is stupid.

wow, sounds like the 47yr old needs to take his meds and go to BED OLD MAN. Jesus fucking christ on a cross.

how do you fit in doors with your head so big? Seriously.. does your shit not stink? Do you wake up in the morning and go.. "MAN!! I'm RAD! my Shit doesn't stink!" I think I'm going to make some CRAP art and post it up and then get all Jackson Pollack on their asses for not liking my stuff!



Just remember "Old Man" These "Young Ones" are gonna be the ones taking care of you in the raisin ranch when your time comes - And with the looks of it - you are one bad t-shirt design away from a heart attack.



I think I hear the WAAAAAAHMBULANCE coming for you.

oh, one more thing..



douchebag!

I find that just splendid "Epicurean" thank you.

And I never said anyone was stupid, that was your words...

I see you are just another wannabe, so I can obviously not tell you what I think about your absent art ... ore? safe place to be chicken

Hello "angeldye" and thank you for your comment. Welcome to the party of kids and wannabes (I see you go in the last category, have fun)....

I didn't say that you said they were stupid. I said you dismissed people's opinions simply due to their age, and you do. And THAT is what I said was stupid.



And no, I'm not an artist, but I never claimed I was, nor do I want to be one. One does not have to be an artist to appreciate art.



LOL at angeldye's comment. Excellent.

We have forgotten something important ( at least for my son), Today is x-mas. And here in Norway we celebrate the 24'th, so...



Merry x-mas to you all ... :-)

You should take these Threadless users' opinion as a learning tool and not as a personal attack. They are all giving you a lot of good ideas on how to make your design work better. Saying that their opinions don't count isn't a very nice accusation to make. After all, you do not know any of these people or where their history lies in design and illustration. But even if they weren't as experienced as you claim to be, their opinions still do count. Even if you showed this design to a 5 year old child, his opinion would count too. Listening to someone's opinion or critique does not mean you have to obey them and do what they say. It means you take what they say with a grain of salt, and only apply it to your design if you feel it is necessary. If you feel it is unecessary, than you take note of what they say and use it for future reference, no matter who says it. These people are trying to give you help.

Anyways, if you want a professional's opinion, I'd say I agree with what everyone is saying here. It's somewhat of a cliche design, but it might look better on a coloured shirt rather than white, and not too dark of a colour because the drawing itself is quite dark. Other than that, you need to work on accepting critiques because honestly your reaction is probably going to draw a lot of good votes away from you.

Like I said, I don't care to much for the votes (if I did I would approach things slightly different), and I never said I didn't want critique. What I am saying is that I don't pay attention to how other people would have done my design. By the time it hits threadless I am finished with it. And another thing is that I am not about to take advice based upon personal taste. Having a preference, does NOT make you a designer ore Illustrator. Education and experience does.

And like I have said before, my design sells very well and have provided my kids and me with a decent living in eight years now. So the fact that you guys don't handle that I critique your criticism, and thus start slagging the design ...and me (for good measure I guess), doesn't touch me at all. Especially when the very same design are doing just fine in at least two other galleries ( where all the people giving comments actually are artists themselves, and thus know something about what they are talking about).

And NO threadless is NOT my target audience. Here on threadless most people buy THEIR OWN design, and maybe sell a tee ore two to a friend. And THAT! is NOT how you make a living as a designer ore illustrator.

I don't give a flying fu... whether you believe it ore not, but I do this as research. I've done it before, and it turned out just great, so here I am again.



Merry x-mas to you all ... :-)

Hahaha. Get over yourself and learn to take some criticism! If you were professional, you wouldn't let a bit of feedback get your back up so much. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, and if you put your work in the public domain to get judged, then that's what will happen. You just sound like a dickhead if you comment back telling people that they're too young, and that you are too professional. You could probably learn a lot from the feedback you get here. You're really not as good as you think you are. At 47, there are people here a quarter of your age who are better at Photoshop than you.



Incidently, it looks like you only just learned how to use gradients.



You may also be interested to know that you are wasting you time submitting here if you violate the terms and conditions by posting the design at other design competitions. However small or amateurish they might be. Posting that 'redbubble' webpage, which is apparently selling this design, says absolutely nothing about your competancy as an illustrator, or your popularity as an artist. I had a look at their gallery and it's the sort of stuff that gets dropped in the first 24 hours at Threadless if it even gets through to voting.



Also - having 10, 20, 50 or 100 years in the design business doesn't make you a good designer. It clearly hasn't made you a better designer.



A bit more humility, please.

Posn on Dec 24 '07



And NO threadless is NOT my target audience. Here on threadless most people buy THEIR OWN design, and maybe sell a tee ore two to a friend. And THAT! is NOT how you make a living as a designer ore illustrator.





Lets pause there, and look at some of the facts:



Threadless.com

Owners: Jacob DeHart, 25, and Jake Nickell, 27

Threadless.com, Chicago

Projected 2007 Sales: $25 million to $30 million

Description: Online T-shirt design company





Read the full story here.



I'd say that this business model with half a million customers and sales of $25 to $30 million relies on more than just the artists and a few of their friends buying their own designs.



Feel stupid again?

fatheed you haven't really got it I see. The guys that own threadless makes a lot of money on this, that's right, but NOT as Illustrators ore designers as I said.

And it doesn't help my bank account.

You can have all the tees you want printed for nearly nothing, and sell them (like I do), in stead of hoping that you maybe get printed on threadless, and then give away most of your revenue to those guys. That is not how I would do business.

So I would say it is impossible to make it worth your time, trying to sell tees on threadless.

Jacob DeHart, 25, and Jake Nickell, 27 are the only ones making real money here.



By the way, I have been teaching photoshop classes since version 6.

And in april next year (2008) I release a Photoshop school aimed at professional print production, free as a podcast on my blog http://studio45design.blogspot.com/

Then maybe you too can learn Photoshop as well... he he (that was a joke, I saw your designs, and they are pretty good some of them).

So I can assure you that I know my way around "The shop", at least as well as the next guy.



And at last, Redbubble.com is not a competition, just somewhere I sell my art. Like I said, I have to make a living.



And no I don't feel any more stupid than you sound flying of the handle like that for something that really doesn't concern you....

Especially when the very same design are doing just fine in at least two other galleries ( where all the people giving comments actually are artists themselves, and thus know something about what they are talking about



Believe it or not, I'm a real artist. I do know what I'm talking about. You're being absolutely rude. And I'm surprised at your behavior, because most professional artists do not act the way you do. Real artists are always open to discussion on their work, no matter if it is harsh criticism or light praise.

Even so, your lack of professionalism is appalling.

Bullshit. I have not for one moment indicated that I don't like people criticizing my work. I can't be bothered to say it again. Cos if you are THAT slow, I can't help you. All I can say is go back and read what I wrote above.

And for the last time: I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT HOW OTHER PEOPLE WOULD HAVE DONE MY DESIGN, BECAUSE WHEN I PUBLISH IT, I DO THAT BECAUSE IT IS FINISHED AND I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO IMPROVE. ESPECIALLY NOT FROM SOMEONE WITHOUT THE RIGHT KNOW HOW.



And another thing while I am at it here. You (feebsicle) accuse me of non professionalism, and that may be as it is. I am not the one to judge that. But before you go pointing your finger at me, you should read the comments above.

Not once do I attack anyone personally, not once do I call anyone ugly things, not once do I say I don't want criticism.

But because they don't like what I say (even most of them haven't taken the time to read my posts properly, they just assume).

I have been called horrible things, and my art has been slandered just because your pissed at my statement, my age is apparently wrong (talk about being an asshole), my artist and Photoshop skills has been declared non existent and me ...well you can read for your self above) and ...hell even my spelling was obviously prof of my inability (at least that leaves me in good company) .



So I say it is no wonder the world goes to hell in a hand basket, it is overpopulated with self centered, egotistical assholes with a chip on their shoulder towards anyone that doesn't go along with their self important bullshit.

It is pathetic, but it doesn't touch me, cos reality tells me you guys are WRONG.



Have a nice holiday everybody... :-)

I'm not going to waste too much of my time here, as your probably aren't willing to consider anything I have to say, however, I have a small point to make.



If I were you, I would stop firing back at and appreciate the unfiltered criticism you are receiving from complete and honest strangers. As an "Illustrator and designer for more than eight years," you should realize just how valuable that feedback is.

*you're

please pardon my glaring grammatical errors.

That's ok Dan I'm not a spelling ore grammatical genius :-)

I am considering, but I do not agree I think (seriously I'm not sure),I participate on several other sites (galleries, tees and such), but this is the only place where people act like they do here.

And I know of a lot of people that has left Treadless ore never would set their foot here (That's not me), just because of this...

As an artist and musician, myself, I can understand what it feels like to be bashed. It sucks. It hurts, a lot. Many times, it makes me want to retaliate.



My point is: Sometimes, you need to take a bashing with a grain of salt and just suck it up. Sometimes, valid points are being made. With your experience, you should be able to take the constructive criticism with the bad, and filter what's useful, and ignore the other stuff.



The main lesson is, biting the hand that feeds you rarely works.

Angle.

I am not attacking you, or bashing your work.

I was giving you criticism. I wasn't telling you what I'd do, I was telling you what I thought of it. That's criticism.



And I agree with iDanSimpson, and I have already said this, that you need to take what we are saying with a grain of salt. Don't get offended by it. You don't have to obey our opinions. All I'm asking you is to say "thank you for the feedback, but I think I'm just going to leave my design as-is". You don't have to agree with us. That's the point! But you can consider what we are saying instead of getting angry at people for not liking your attitude.



I really don't appreciate you attacking me on my own designs either. I never once said anything that horrible to you about your work.

pwnd!

it only became slight bashing when you retaliated full throttle on a few tiny pieces of constructive criticism, but then we got to see the real you.

:-)

:-{0

found here:



Posn on Dec 28 '07

Here we go again, attacking people personally cos we can't take criticism



you're a hypocrite.

um.. wow. indeed you are.

Ok so i finally looked back on this and it just made me laugh my A$$ off

you have no idea.

this 47 year old guy is acting like a little 12 year old girl who was told that she wore an ugly teeshirt to school



Threadless is not a site where people make a living on it.

its a site for artists to show their work (and I don't mean "starving artists" like you POSN people who actually have talent) and if their work is good and people like it, oh guess what happens next? it gets printed on a teeshirt

and they get a little cut of the money and the rest goes to the site owners and why does it go to them?

because they created this site.



every where I go I see people in threadless teeshirts because they are good not pieces of sh.t like the teeshirts you pay your bills with on the other sites



have fun buddy.

:-)

Wait so you submitted this design here on Threadless as well as on Redbubble and shoved it in our faces that the Redbubble design was received better than the one on Threadless, when in fact it's against threadless' own guidelines to submit your design to other sources. Man.. I don't understand your reasoning.



Anyway, since you don't want anything other than "constructive criticism" then here's one that might be constructive: If you don't want people to vote you down initially without even looking at your artwork--don't show them how you are blatantly going against the rules of the site that you are submitting your artwork to.



kthx.