Scoring finished:
440 days ago
Submitted on:
May 31 '07
Scored by:
2,849 people
Comments:
262 comments
Final average score:
2.40 out of 5
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 Yes, I know she is naked, no you should not be grossed out or offended in any way.
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I like how you tried to avoid the issue of bush by putting in a bush-shaped shadow, which is even more noticeable and disturbing to some undoubtedly on this site. I think the colors and imagery is pretty damned awesome tho. And since im over the age of 15, i don't care if an awesome shirt has nudity or not in it. Just as long as it's a good design..which this is. Love the size of this thing as well.
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Cool design. The Cheshire Cat's grin it terrifying. I think I would have this on a ligher coloured t-shirt - maybe something in a yellowy colour?
But great - 4 1/2 |
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I like the colour, like the effect, like the size, like the design. I dun care is it naked.. $5
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Very, very cool design!
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Fantastic. Would also make an amazing poster or print.
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Great design and colors like a 60's concert poster.
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mathiole on May 31 '07 i like theillustration...but this retangular compoition fits better on a poster...nice one thou
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I'm tired of the attempts to mainstream porno -- a zero from me
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Beauty! $5
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Porno? Really?
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helo - not every illustration of naked women is pornographic. This is a clevel illustration which introduces themes of maturity to Alice in Wonderland. It's clever, complex and well-illustrated.
For you to give it a 0 is ridiculous - are you saying this has NO artistic merit? None at all? |
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It's a lovely illustration, but I have no interest in wearing naked women on my shirts, well-drawn or no.
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Why not slmstanley?
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I love the people who don't know the difference between porn and art. 5
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porn...wow...ok, next time I will make the columns out of giant dildos and put as many sex refrences on it as possible. *sigh* some people.
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She does kind of have a "come hither" look on her face.
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;D You guys are silly. I'm a girl, and I would def. wear this! 5! Love the Mr. Caterpillar's smoke around Alice, favorite part. Maybe another design with the same concept, but Alice in a different position or on the side instead of the middle.
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its done well, but i am not a huge fan of boxed in designs
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i think its done pretty classy. a really cool veiw on alice. i like that she is curvy, and not some rack of bones. $5
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Saw this in the critiques. Love what you have done to it. $5
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i don't think this ART belongs on a t-shirt, maybe a poster kept in your home/office....there are young kids in public who don't need to see this on someone's shirt. nice illustration however. 5 for the design, but 0 on a tee.
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I think this is very well done.
I would not personally wear it, but I'm sure there are plenty who would. 5 |
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heyheyitsme
i really don't think a well designed shirt with a nude woman on it is going to be bad for the public when people walk around the public with FUCK ______ but whatever you want in the blank plus looks at mainstream TV where rap videos mainly consisting of cars, and half naked hot women 5, but i wouldn't buy it, still love it though |
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heyheyitsme - why would children be bothered by nudity?
Kids see worse on TV, adverts, billboards, at the beach, wherever, every day. And the truth is, kids don't care - adults care. |
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I like it 5$!!
I'm tired of all the cutesy T's that get printed... |
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yeah, thanks for that example travoli, I noticed that too, I was hesitant about this piece, but I thought: 1) it isn't lewd 2) I covered all of her naughty bits and 3) aren't all the people on this site artists or art lovers? Why would you not consider the naked body beautiful?
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The design is great, in a retro-rock poster way. The "wonderland" font isn't doing it for me though.
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the mad hatter looks a little too much like the original carrol pic. might want to tweak it a little instead of copying.
http://www.ericharshbarger.org/lego/images/mad_hatter/madhatter-WH-BK_100SESh_s.gif other than that it is awesome and i would totally buy. i dont see any prob w/ the nudity and think its weird not to have nips. threadless has printed nipple b4. |
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she has nips, under the hair
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Love the Tweedle Dee Tweedle Dumb at the bottom...
Hope this gets printed...I'll sport one just to piss off the whiny "no nude" commenters. Art+Nudes... yeah, those two haven't been historically paired together for centuries.... |
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Hellooooooooooo Alice!
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Brilliant!
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SMASHING!!!!!!!!!
To die for! A Huge $5 for you !!! |
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Agree with dustyj72 about copyright on mad hatter, maybe tweedledee and tweedledum as well. Otherwise is great! (I didn't even think about worrying that she was nude until I saw the comments.)
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Kudos to you for not making her some ridiculously skinny stick and giving her realistic tits, ass, thighs and curves. Would definately buy for a guy.
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mezo on May 31 '07 Very intricate and glorious. I am enjoying how each aspect of the design interacts with each other. And the color scheme is yummy.
The figure bugs me, though. Not because she is naked, but because her body feels out of proportion. Her bent leg has a super long shin & stubby thigh, her feet look giant in comparison to her tiny hands, and she has a chicken neck. I would also like to see her face look less like Barbie, and more human. 4 |
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Edword on May 31 '07 Nice job!
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Edword on May 31 '07 nice job!
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her form is partially in shadow
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I think thats beautiful. A couple comments though. I don't think everyone on here is an artist or art lover. They are T-shirt BUYERS so you have to design something that people want to wear. I am an artist AND love art and I wouldn't wear this in public because of the suggested nudity. Anyone under 18 would be barred from wearing this and anyone with kids (24+?) probably would not wear it either so you're looking at a market of college kids. You should resub this with some clothes and see how your score does. 4
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i don't think this ART belongs on a t-shirt, maybe a poster kept in your home/office....there are young kids in public who don't need to see this on someone's shirt. nice illustration however. 5 for the design, but 0 on a tee.
i think thats a very valid opinion, and you guys seem quick to argue it with an uneven argument. people are entitled to their own opinion, and they regarded the fact that this is very good art. and i agree. this is a really really nice piece, but for as for a shirt, i would never wear this in public. sure people are walking around with fuck yous on their clothing, but i personally am rather conservative and i would personally never wear anything like this. i wouldn't be offended if i saw it on a shirt, and i dont know if i'd want my 6 year old brother seeing this shirt (in such a large size too, the freakishness of the cheshire cat, and the raising of questions such as "why does that lady's no no place look different from mine?"), but people are entitled to wear whatever they want... i duno. its beautiful, i'd wear it to sleep. i would even buy it for my boyfriend cus hes into this kinda thing. but uh, way too big and a little exposed |
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Ok, it is not something that I would actually wear, for many reasons. Mostly because of the size of the design on the shirt - not really my style. But the design is fabulous. It reminds me of Bob Masse's style with simpler lettering.
You know what, as far as the nudity goes, if we could make the whole thing a non issue, kids would become much more mature and intelligent teenagers and might know a thing or two about their bodies without being so ashamed of them. What is so wrong with an attractive human form anyway??? |
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this is very beautiful - you did the nudity in an artful way instead of gaudy and pornographic. it's funny all the little references you put in to alice in wonderland, which i know is the idea but it's very well done! and the fading texture is great, too.
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so anyway, 5 and buy.
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i love this! deff. 5, i like how it changed from critique and i'm glad you submitted it! i hope this gets made into a shirt, i want it. i disagree with all these nakedness/porno comments, its not bad at all, you don't see anything bad..i have seen a lot worse things on shirts. =] hehe love the cheshire cat btw
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In terms of the copyright, I doubt that's an issue. Alice in Wonderland was first published in 1865, so I imagine the story, characters and the original John Tenniel illustrations are probably in the public realm by now. I may be wrong though.
I find the reference to genitalia as "no no place" a bit disturbing. Besides - the genitalia is covered, as are the breasts. Really, this is no different than if she was portrayed in underwear or a bikini. There is nothing wrong or offensive in nudity, and children in particular do not need to be "protected" from nudity if it is non-sexual, as this is. Anyway - regarding her proportions, I think the shadowed parts may be enhancing that, but personally I'm happy to accept the slight misproportions. |
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Alice got all growed up!
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I am a woman and think the design is beautiful. There is a difference between porn and celebrating the full figure of a woman. This shirt is the later. 5!
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some of you people sound like a bunch of uptight right wing mormons.
if you get offended by this design then you need serious help |
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Love it as a poster. I want it to work as a T.
Huge fan of the 60s rock posters. I love all the elements together really nice image. the image is a little big on the shirt. I'd buy it. $5 |
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thanks to those who are being supportive. I had no idea this would cause such a shitstorm
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no worries smitty - great work - 5
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I'd buy it just for the artistic merit and the fact that it's going to get someone's panties in a bunch. Sometimes I'm shamed to live in America. $5
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$5. Great design.
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OlliRudi on May 31 '07 i like it! what's your rastering technique?
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I work in Photoshop, so it is a collection of different brushes basically
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LOVE.
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I'm with mezo a bit on her body. I would have liked her to be a bit more disproportionate or more human. She looks kind of like she's in design limbo. And the way her lower 'naughty bits' are covered is really distracting to me.
But, I would probably buy it based on the Cheshire Cat and everything about the caterpillar. |
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I really like it. It's almsot perfect.
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Smitty this is great. I am so tired of people acting like the naked body is something gross and wrong. I think this is beautiful and commercials in other countries show way more than this. Good job. 5$
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Awsome!
5$ :) |
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This is just beautiful and anyone that says it is pornographic just sounds ignorant...
awesome awesome stuff 5$ |
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o and for people who say it should be on a poster.... i think it would look great on a poster... but i think also because it is so large on the shirt that it would loook just as amazing on one
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...I really imagined Alice to be someone more mysterious, as in cloaked/shadowy, or even someone with a psychological problem, but definitely not... well, nude.
I'm opposed to nudity because you NEVER see male nudity, only female nudity, and in a way it's is just an exploitation of the female body, a way to sell products or to shock emotion out of people. But putting that aside, I do like the design. I love the creepiness of it. Everything else on the shirt is amazing. |
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This actually reminds me of how an "artist" painted a big naked woman on one of the buildings downtown, and the city left it up despite complaints because it was "art." And then someone else went and painted clothes on her. I guess that was art also.
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i love love love this. the way it was done, the colors everything!!! 55555555!
and its is so not porn, that bugs me. its like when people call figure drawing porn. porn and art are not the same thing. |
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I think the lady's physiology is... not quite right. Her left leg is looking pasted on, and the way she is balancing her weight seems less than realistic (the hip juts out too far, in my opinion, and that is probably what at least a few of the "porn" comments refer to).
While I think naked ladies on shirts is fine, it creeps me out in this case because Alice of the stories is a little girl and there's been some controversy on whether the author of Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll, qualifies as a pedophile. I understand that your shirt has nothing to do with this, but for me the association is there. |
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Love the design, although I would prefer it a little smaller on the shirt itself.
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This is truly a beautiful design. 5$
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^perhaps a smidge smaller on the shirt though.
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Robsoul on May 31 '07 I read some of the comments on here and ppl are absolute morons. Beautiful shirt and lovely colors + imagery. A 5+$ from me. Cheers.
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wicked. but what's the meaning of alice being an adult in the design while the rest of the characters have remained the same age and why is she naked?
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wicked.
what is the meaning of alice being older and naked while everyone/thing has remained the same. |
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Very cleverly illustrated, down to the rabbits under "Wonderland". I have to say, though, that Alice's facial expression puts me off a bit. I think one of shock or bewilderment would've been more in tune with the rest of your theme. All the other characters have an air of creepiness to them. For her to appear like a seductress does detract a bit from the weirdness of Wonderland.
Overall, though, your design is very striking and imaginative. I like it, but for me, it would be more wearable if Alice looked like she was connected to the creepiness surrounding her. |
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i like it, but good luck getting it printed :/
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I really hope this gets printed because I will definitely buy it!!!! $5
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I like it a lot, but with the design so large, it looks like some of it might be lost around the sides. Looking at the model, some of the cat's face is cut off, which might make it more difficult for someone to tell what it is.
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i like it, but the font is a little strange, i would expect something more fairground/peepshow. Oh and for all the "no nude" folks out there, lewis carrol while a great writer....took some REALLY dodgy photos of young girls in white stockings, some say the insperation for Disneys Alice....
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WalkingAlong - the absence of naked men from art and popular culture is not a reason to reject all images of the naked female body.
Furthermore, portraying the female body is not always exploitative, a way to sell a product or an attempt to shock people. It can also be an appreciation of the beauty of the female body. You're right that men's bodies are rarely appreciated for their beauty, but that is no reason to censor work like this. On the whole "Lewis Carrol" as paedophile thing - rather than making this creepy, I think it just adds another layer of meaning to this. 5 |
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Wow, this is actually really good. Just a shame that you couldn't fit in more of the characters. I'm also not too sure about tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum as they are fairly minor characters. If anything, maybe the queen, but I'd be rather tempted to drop them altogether. 4+
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I like this design a lot, great colors. I like beautiful naked men and women too. But I think her hair could better and the leg on the front too.
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fatheed on Jun 01 '07 Is it just me, or does the thumb image relate to nothing contained in this design? Nice colours, but for me the problem is not the nudity, its the anthropometrics. Her torso looks too squat and also - she resembles a blonde Andie MacDowell, which freaks me out a bit.
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I don't understand what people think is wrong with her bodyshape - the only thing that jumps out at me is the front leg, which seems to have a knee a little too high, and a calf a little too long. The torso looks fine to me - people come in all shapes.
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next image I do is going to be a naked dude :)
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Yay! It'll be interesting to see how many people say that the design is gay for having a naked guy on it. I love idiots.
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classicoke on Jun 01 '07 but then again this aint one of em posters in a doctors reception, right? the wicked legs actually helps this wicked design. 4 (cause them two dudes at the bottom aint helping the design at all)
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13strong, I think people are reacting to the awkward way she is standing (which may be possible physically, but I wouldn't bet on it). It makes everything look weird.
Also, I'm not trying to be a jerk (though I realize this may come off a bit aggressive) but I honestly cannot imagine what "layer of meaning" you are getting from a naked lady (who represents a character who is a child) on a shirt about a book by a rumored pedophile. Especially since her positioning is sexually provocative (that hip can't be interpreted any other way, in my opinion). Could you please clarify? |
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that's a wow! 5$
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I agree that her stance is sexually provocative, but that to me is part of the design and the ideas it represents. And before anyone pipes up, sexuality, like nudity, is not inherently pornographic. One of the things I like about this design is this: Alice in Wonderland is, IMO, about innocence and a fear of growing up or ageing. It is also very much about children, and how they view the world (the twisted logic, the games played with language etc). By presenting Alice as a grown woman, and surrounding her with warped, threatening, sinister imagery, I think this design is an interesting take on that idea. The innocence is gone, and is replaced with sexuality, danger and a kind of seediness. The fact that this is done in a 60s, psychedelic style communicates similar ideas.
Sorry if all that came off as pretentious. I also wanna say that I get really tired of all the allegations of paedophilia brought against Lewis Carrol. There is absolutely no evidence that the guy was a paedophile, or that he abused children. So the link between those allegations and the sexuality in this image means nothing to me. |
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Montro on Jun 01 '07 Shakira Shakira, Beyonce Beyonce
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nes-k on Jun 01 '07 5 $
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I find the reference to genitalia as "no no place" a bit disturbing. Besides - the genitalia is covered, as are the breasts. Really, this is no different than if she was portrayed in underwear or a bikini. There is nothing wrong or offensive in nudity, and children in particular do not need to be "protected" from nudity if it is non-sexual, as this is.
i dont know if you noticed.. but that was in quotes? like my little brother is going to say "why does her crotch look different from mine?" or "is that that so called vag ive always been hearing about?" when you're 6, you're 6. and i duno if you have a kid, or have a little sibling or whatever, but i dont care HOW tasteful the nudity is, i dont think my brother is ready to see the naked form yet imho. and yeah, i know there are worse things on shirts, but that doesnt mean i want him looking at those either im not saying this is porn, im not saying its ugly, im not saying it should be kept from human consumption im saying that there are age appropriate things out there and this is one of those things. a 6 year old is not ready for this. plain and simple. am i wrong, or did you just call all the people who dont agree with you idiots? |
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13strong, you rock. I am so happy that someone understands because part of my plan was to let everyone have their say about this piece and then go into an explaination. However, I think you have done a very good job of explaining it for me! That is exactly what I was trying to achieve, it is a total loss of innocence and also a persepective on how our environment CAN have an effect on the person we devlop into and how we are viewed by the world. I wasn't trying to make it a childrens illustration. To me the story has similarities on the cultural changes that happened during the 60's (hence the psychedelic style). Conservativism fell by the way side because people were too tired of being "proper", this led to a full pendulum swing to almost complete libralism.
I know this is kind of a "heavy" piece for a t shirt design, but the idea hit me and I decided to follow through with it. I am absolutely thrilled with the different viewpoints coming through on this blog, keep it up guys! |
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i feel like you need to get off your high horse 13strong. while everyone is trying to be honest about their opinions of the shirt without attacking, i find your line of defense condescending and pompous.
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I understand where you are coming from ilovetomasb, I wouldn't want this made into a onesie too. However, as the internet is our last democratic medium, I hope people vote for what they want. Obvoiusly you don't want it made and therefor you should score it poorly.
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beautiful...i just dont wear naked women...so 5 from me for the art work
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i gave it a three, for the art. which is good because my average score is like a 1. shirts that i would never wear and think that suck/are stupid/the person didnt try get a straight 0. shirts that i would never wear/i dont really like but the person put a little effort get a 1-2. shirts that have effort, i like, but would never wear i give a three. and then shirts i love - despite simplicity - and would defn wear get a 5 and if id actually buy them.. well the dollar sign
so a 3 to you sir, it really is pretty |
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"am i wrong, or did you just call all the people who dont agree with you idiots?"
I think you're wrong. I don't see that anywhere in my comments. "i find your line of defense condescending and pompous." I don't know what I can do about that. I disagree - I'm simply countering people's objections to the shirt in a rational and reasonable way. If people can't handle debate and discourse, that's not my problem. I am sorry about the perceived criticism of a six year old though. I guess I wasn't clear enough. Presumably the child was taught to use the term "no no place" for their genitalia. The negativity and prohibition inherent in the term is something I find a little bizarre and disturbing, but in fact, the child's upbringing is none of my damn business, so I apologise for what I said. |
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Really like the design, not sure about the color of the shirt - kind of takes away/makes the artwork blend into it.
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yeah you're right.. i should totally tell a 6 year old "This is a penis, and this is a vagina" 6 is totally an appropriate age for that talk. and hell yes it is a no no place til he's old enough to understand sexuality and the connotations his dick has. anyhow, theres some comment you have about a male version and people freaking out and calling them idiots. but um, no ones not been able to handle your line of defense, i just feel that if a comment could have a tone, yours have an air of mockery and, well, like i said, they're a bit condescending. perhaps its your language, whatever
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This isn't the place for this discussion. If you have a problem with me or my comments, fine. I couldn't care less.
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13strong, I just wanted to thank you for replying to my comment. While I still disagree with you, I appreciate your point of view and you supported it well. Part of the reason we view this shirt so differently might be because you seem to like Alice in Wonderland, while I've been creeped out by it since early childhood :) It was always a story about a kid being tormented, to me.
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agree with slmstanley re: naked women on t-shirts. however, the colors and overall design are very appealing, and i would definitely wear it sans la erotica.
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I read Alice in Wonderland at the age of 6, and I still love it. I studied it as part of my English too. It is creepy, but I think that's part of the reason I love it so much.
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I can honestly say that this is a great design. i can also honestly say that i wouldn't wear it.
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this disturbs me, mainly because our middle/senior school this year is doing wonderland for our musical. i agree that the human body is a beautiful thing, but only when you're mature enough to understand truly its meaning. all i can imagine atm is an 8th grader wearing this tee on stage, and all the parents in the audience being shocked and apalled. alice in wonderland is essentially a children's story, if a little eerie and disturbing, and when people see the term wonderland, they tend to associate it with a sweet muddled troubled young girl, not a veluptuous porn star. i dont think there is really any need for her to be nude. it has no asociation to the story whatsoever. i agree this would look great on a shirt, but consider when you're out and about and other people look at it, esp children. it would be hard for my little cousins to figure out why tweedle dum adn tweedle dee are standing below a massive naked woman.
theres obviously a great deal of controversy about this design. it doesnt mean its any less good, but it means it causes problems and probably wouldnt be all that great to print. i rele like your style however, and i think you should out your talents towards something that doesnt have quite as erotic a subject. |
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I love this design. There definately seems a lot to it. Although, I can't see me wearing it. I don't really understand people that have a problem with the "nudity" of this picture. I didn't even think about it until I read some of the comments (as I think someone else said). Great job, 5.
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I was just trying to give a new twist to the story. No, I am not stupid and didn't know it was a children's story. I knew full well. Do I think this shirt should be worn by kids, absolutely not. Do I think that if you wore this shirt on a subway and a child was on the same train you should you feel bad about corrupting them or even worry, no, I think you guys are giving kids a lot more reasoning power than they use. I am not saying kids are dumb, they are just usually very wrapped up in what is happening to them, not some stranger, and even less what he or she has on. So, to wrap up, 1) don't print this design in kids sizes, 2) don't wear this design when going to babysit your kid sister, 3) if you are going out to a bar, concert, etc, it doesn't matter if there are kids around you, if you are in a place that is usually designated for older people you have no responsibility to protect any kid around, that is where the parent failed. So I hope that makes things clear. I am sympathetic to those who say "what about the children?" but I hope you see my point. You probably have hundreds of t shirts and if this is printed, and you buy one, just maybe think about where you are going that day. I would wear this shirt around my parents (because all of you who think it would be embarrassing, come on, they grew up in that era, they won't be offended) but not my best friends two kids (girls age 10 and 3). Fair enough?
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This shirt is a beautiful design and while I wouldn't wear it, I definetly appreciate it and am not offended by the nudity. Everything is covered! The shirts worn today that have lewd sayings on them or pictures that reveal more then this shirt does can not be considered works of art such as this. I think that the design is brilliant and I love how you worked in the symbols for the book. For everyone saying that children should not be exposed to a design like this a) i don't think that anyone would wear this around children and b) children are exposed to much worse in today's media. Great job on a fantastic print!
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thank you very much
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13Strong:
Morton Cohen's biography (1995) of Lewis Carrol is pretty clear about who he was - a man who had inappropriate intimate friendships with a succession of pre-pubescent girls while remaining curiously celibate himself. Maybe not a paedophile, but certainly he was Michael Jackson enough to raise the question. (Not that I feel this is the main problem here. I honestly didn't think about the paedophilia issue until mjoo raised it.) I have no real problem with the nudity. I don't think I'd be comfortable wearing it, but I certainly wouldn't have a problem with anyone else doing so. The reason I think this doesn't work is that the women is out of proportion. Her left hip is way too big, her right arm is so small it looks like a deformity and there's something not right about the left side of her face. Smitty, I love the concept, but she needs a LOT more work. |
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...and there's no problem with copyright. 13strong is correct; AIW is public domain. Copy away!
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$5, like the use of color, love tweedle dee and dum
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gee thanks frickenawesome for lumping fifteen year olds (and under) into a nice big mold.
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I like the psychedelic retroness of the whole design (like an old Fillmore poster). I like the tweak on Lewis Caroll (whose ideas about who should be nude and when are a LOT more disturbing than this). I like it generally. I'd buy it and wear it.
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I like the design much. Very well done. I am not offended or grossed out by the absence of clothes on Alice. However, I would not wear a naked woman, for fear that some cute girl would walk up to me, se my shirt and make some secret judgment about me. Does that make much sense? No. Do I care to much about what people think about me? No, just cute girls. Am I one of those annoying guys that likes to answer their own questions. Why yes!
I’ll shut up now and give you a five. |
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I am female, and i didnt think about the nudity factor at all before i read the comments. And really i can see both sides of the argument. But overall i think enough people like it to make it popular enough to be printed. And if you dont like it... The dont buy it! But really, you cant pick what other people buy. I would buy it... If fact, i just might if it is printed. I think this is a fabulous piece or art. props to you. $5
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13strong on May 31 '07 helo - not every illustration of naked women is pornographic. This is a clevel illustration which introduces themes of maturity to Alice in Wonderland. It's clever, complex and well-illustrated. For you to give it a 0 is ridiculous - are |