Fascist Food
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Dec 05 '06
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Hmm, I might have to agree with iRjustme. Good idea with the "Fascist Food" but the "Heil" may be pushing it.
Looks reaaally big on the example. Maybe too big? |
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I'm Jewish and I find this design really offensive. People have a choice to eat fast food. Jews, gypsies, gays, and others in europe had no choice during nazi germany.
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valorandvellum on Dec 05 '06 pseudosara21, I think this speaks more towards (and should be more offensive to) the Germans. The analogy is probably that the Germans mindlessly followed Hitler, and Americans mindlessly follow Ronald.
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that is one creepy ass ronald... who is already creepy to begin with.
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perspective of flag is not correct, i think.that is a great illo!give u 3!
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bananaphone on Dec 05 '06 5 from me mate.
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how can you even consider to compare Hitler to McDonalds. Horrifically distasteful. Just because it is art doesn’t mean you can justify this. 0
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eh personally i'd associate mcdonalds more with drug dealers then hitler. besides, i really love chicken mcnuggets. and all the various animals in them.
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Bwahahahaha...excellent design! youve got a 5 n buy from me :)
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Controversy! Yay!
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You can't offend me and I beg you to keep trying! What would make this really over the top would be an angry crowd obese people for him to be speaking to. Yeah, scary ass looking clown though.
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perhaps ronald grabbing the podeium in anger... intead of saluting to Hitler..
just a suggestion |
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so scary
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zeig donalds!
i can't spell |
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AAh!
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If people hate this then it really is a great design. $5.
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maybe he could be holding up a hamburger? nice use of flash...creepy start
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i was always scared of himmm
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awesome awesome! .. this is creepy- the face that is. this design seriously makes me afraid of Macdonalds. haha. very creative as usual. i'd wear it.
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deep space monkey on Dec 05 '06 People are too freaking sensitive. Get over it. Good work, keep the controversy coming. Possible title... Der Fryer
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^get over it? please, I think this is horrible, and your flash zoom creeps me out.
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I like the idea, and the fact that it's so creepy helps it work. I'm kinda on the fence about the Heil thing...it's awfully strong, but that's part of what's good about it...but I can see where it would very offensive to some...but if you're offended, don't look. Hmmm...I know, I'm wishy washy...
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this is great and all.. but i kinda feel offensive.. .... everytime there is a topic in school or anywhere that has to do with hitler/nazis, everyone just stares at me, cuz i'm german.. so this relates.. i think its really offensive to me and jews, and well to alot of ppl!
design is awesome that i got a admit. |
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maybe offensive?... but you've got a really good idea and realllllly creepy clown to work with.
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Yea, this is a badly executed idea at first glance, and poorly drawn at second glance.
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i reallt like the concept and beleive that it holds true. but i agree with the above comment. it just seems like its trying to be better then what it is. it needs to go either direction, better illustrated or more poorly illustrated. either could be successful. the stylistic coice however whould reflect the concept, goosd first try.
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I've said it before, but getting offended is highly unintelligent. Remember, this design doesn't offend you. The way you think about the design offends you. Remember that.
Oh yeah, and the design is kind of crappy looking anyway. I would never wear it. And I gave it a 5. |
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"the way you think about the design offends you"? it's the same effect. saying "I find this offensive" versus "this is offensive" is only less direct and is just a semantic difference. to say that getting offended is highly unintelligent is ridiculous. getting offended is emotional. emotionality and reason or intelligence is a false dichotomy, and in fact, emotion is a necessary component of reasoning.
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funny thing is, everyone is getting offended and this design is not you at all. but we talked about this. you even put it on your least favorite color ever. i find it all amusing but i'm the only one here that knows that or you.
you know me, five and buy. |
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It's not that I find it offensive, I just think it's a crap drawing. A 1 because I'm feeling charitable.
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I'm not offended by it, but I think the comparison is a little extreme. Also, does his face have to look so dead/zombie-ish? I think it would be better if he had the happy smiley face on.
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It's not offensive, but yeah, I agree with Joolius, the comparison is so extreme it kinda stops being funny.
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ok...i think the art is awful. and unlike everyone else....i am offended by this shirt. Hitler?? please....im not saying i love fast food....i cant stand it....But the Hitler reference took this WAY too far.
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in wear it but not on that color, plz
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id*
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im afraid it doesn't catch me. a bit too... natzi for me.
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^^^ whoops i just realized i spelled Nazi wrong. sry everyone.
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i think its a really good design and id wear it and all the people that are going into a big debate about it. its mcdonalds . dont make it such a big deal
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if i could distance myself from the content, i looks pretty rad on a shirt, but in this case the content speaks way louder than the graphic itself. i wouldnt wear it.
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I find this offensive, and I don't think that this would be MORE offensive to Germans. In my opinion this should be offensive to everyone. I agree w/ pseudosara21's point.
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yeah, sorry, i agree with everyone else's point,
good concept, taken a bit too far. I like the earlier suggestion of him clutching the podium instead. Good choice of colours though, and placement. |
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yay controversy!!! - - - noone ever seems to remember that that used to be the standard salute of the American flag (it was also the salute used by the ancient Romans) - it was only changed to "hand-over-heart" after Hitler - much in the same way that the swastika is now associated only with Nazis, despite the fact that it is an ancient symbol found in many cultures, usually symbolizing the earth/elements/sun/life - - - - - anyway with the clown paint and big M, it actually seemed a little more Manson to me - I think it's funny - 5
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BAHAHAHA! up with the controversy!! i love it man. 5$
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spires on Dec 06 '06 I think snittleface is on to something
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ummmmmm. no. this is the trashiest shirt that I've seen on here. really, think of how many people you are offending and what the Jewish community went through. This design is heartless and it discusts me. really. You get a ZERO.
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DONT LIKE IT, FUCKING NAZI ASS!!!
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hehehe...5
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Comparing things to Hitler is SO 1993.
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i like the comparison. yes, its offensive ( still trying to make my mind up about whether it goes to far or not) i dont think it will be printed. but i like it
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off de hook!
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a fat fucking 5
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I just want to point out that the "Nazi-thing" could have happened to any other (European) country.. There are still a lot of tendencies to persecution of people who have "different" beliefs. Still, the artistic aspect of the design is very good but I really don't like the way the message is presented.
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Yeah, its on the borderline of good and bad, but I think its brilliant. I saw it first as how we mindlessly follow the fast food thing, just like Germany mindlessly followed Hitler.
I want this, no lie. But, to please the offended, maybe a hamburger in his hand instead? It will still get the point across, and won't be so argumentative. $5 anyways. |
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clever, controversial, 5
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a weeeee bit tasteless
I would stay away from Nazi jokes; they tend to be rather unpopular in mainstream culture |
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That clown scares the crap out of me...I don't think I'd ever wear this, though the imagery is quite effective.
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shoulda submitted for fastfood nation, it's good enough
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spires on Dec 06 '06 It was denied for that contest.
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southworth on Dec 07 '06 I've been looking all over Wal-Mart for a shirt that combines Nazi imagery and hamburgers. I should have been looking on Threadless the whole time.
Yavol! $5 right in Der Fuhrer's face. |
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Very good intentions, but maybe a little far.
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ew.
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lame. 0.
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Subtle
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I think thias design should be removed!
This is hily offencive and it isn't in good taste at all! |
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highly*
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Eh.. A little too.. Offensive, and politically incorrect, I guess.
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lighten up. its only offensive because you make it offensive.
fascism and capitalism could never co-exist. |
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I've never seen a shirt that referenced the Falange Española de las JONS... which is still an active party in Spain, might I add. The choice of Franco actually makes this shirt have a much more apt political commentary, as he was the one Fascist (or quasi-Fascist) who eventually DID co-exist with capitalism. From his 1955 agreement with Eisenhower until his death in 1975, Spain was increasingly a proponant of free-market capitalism, but also a single-party state run by an authoritarian dictator.
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of course, I'd never wear the shirt, as a) it's really garish and b) I could never support Franquismo, even indirectly through satire.
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The illustration's connotations (intentional or not) are so powerful that the humor from the pun is unable to overcome them.
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I really like the presentation....best use of flash Ive seen here in awhile. I wouldn't buy this though (sorry)
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It doesn't match with fascist germany because the germans had somewhat of a point for following hitler, despite it being a bad or good one and the nazi's used force. McDonalds does not exert any sort of fascism other than a monopoly on hamburger business, I think that because if americans are dumb enough to over-eat the shit makes them the villian, not Ronald.
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spires on Dec 10 '06 I agree with you, princess!
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Oh dear... the first threadless design that makes me feel embarassed for the site. :o(
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his face doesnt match his body style wise. no comment on the content. :D
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The gesture is really harsh. You might want to be a little bit more sensetive to people who will be offended by that. Just because of that I don't see how this can get printed.
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Good lord ... a million comments.
Gesture is offensive, but it doesn't matter. Fast food is offensive, dammit. I'm just as sensitive to the Nazi party as anyone else, but it is the point you're trying to get across. I do find that Ronald is quite frightening looking ....to which I wouldn't wear it .. but people passionately against the take-over that fast food has taken would find it fitting. Long ramblyness consolidated: 5 |
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why do people get offended by this and not the communist party shirt?!
joking about communism isn't funny either. communism killed just as many people, if not wayyy more. oh well. people are people. |
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I think this design is hilarious... if people can't take a joke then fuck them. $5
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Ahahahahaha. I have great visions of the Hamburglar as Mussolini. 5 and buy!!!
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awesome concept...i give it a 5
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No sales in Germany.
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Probably the most creative I've seen for this theme. $4
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a nice try, but it doesn't quite fly. why is Ronald bending over like he has a hernia? the angles, flag, proportions, face are weird. An obese audience would be awesome, but I can't picture how to make it work well. There are a a lot of other things you could do to make the parallel more than obvious but less offensive (the pounding on the table that I forget the real name of, or just a fist instead of the straight hand.
Personally, i'm more offended by how people emphasize the number of Jews the Nazis killed while ignoring the equal number of non-Jewish Poles and Roma who were killed. |
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and everyone should stop trying to generalize Americans. There's a word for those people and it's name is "St. Fu"
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I'm Jewish and I find this design really offensive. People have a choice to eat fast food. Jews, gypsies, gays, and others in europe had no choice during nazi germany.
I think this is the funniest thing I have read at Threadless. Ever. |
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Critiques such as I’m offended, aren’t critiques… they’re personal observations that don’t help the art or the artist. I like the idea behind the illustration, but the design is way over the top. I think subtext and subtly would be far more effective, and it would show an intelligent thought out design, rather than ‘force feeding’ the audience (viewer) who may not be able to look past the frightening imagery. Having a happy, normal looking Ronald McDonald (not saluting) is enough, with the flag, symbol and armband. Like the Childnapper offering the children candy in “Chitty Chitty Bang Bang”, McDonalds lures you in w/ a happy smiling face, and toys. That subtext can be just as frightening, if not more if explored in the right way, rather than ‘shoving it down their throat’.
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the point of this process is to vote on the ideas submitted so the owners can determine which shirts are economically viable to print.
As such, critiques such as "I'm offended" are quite indeed valuable. If something is offensive it's usually marketable only to a small audience that thrives on shock value by being offensive themselves. As such the shirt won't be likely to sell. The critique is valid. Should they also comment on the illustrative technique? Maybe... but the technique is secondary to the idea. The idea is supreme, the technique is just a vessel. |
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anyone who is "offended" by a ronald mcdonald mockery illustration is an idiot and in all likelyhood, trapped right in the middle of the herd.
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Maybe... but it tends to be more common that the person committing the lumping of others in such a fashion is the low man on the totem pole.
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sure, keep telling yourself that.
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besides, the only thing shocking about this piece is the reality that people follow this clown like nazi's; mindlessly.
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Touché grypesagon, touché. You make a valid point. But the “concept” is nothing, without successful execution. Technique is as equally important as the idea itself, because if you cannot get across your idea with your technique, then even the greatest ideas would still come crashing down and never see the light of day. As an artist, when I receive criticism I expect it to be constructive. Opening up to discussion and engaging in a dialogue on what could be done to make improvements (if need be). From the looks of it, you would like that much from Brett F.’s post to the shirt that you designed: “Sinking Feeling”. And since you use to have a shirt store, I can understand why you would look at it from the angle of a “the owners” – and from a marketability aspect, I can understand your point. But I like to try and help the artist understand why their “idea” did or did not accomplish what they set out to do, so they can better hone their execution as they grow.
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I don't disagree with any particular point. :-D Looks like we're in a "chicken v. egg" perspective scenario.
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sheesh
calm down people. $4 |
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It's not only about design and aesthetics moral issues come into play when deciding if you'd wear the shirt or not. I personally wouldn't wear it as im not too fond of the design =D.
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Sieg Heil Falange
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spires on Jul 01 '07 still causing shit
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wow...alot of people are offended by this..
good job.. i like this.. people can just get over them selves and move on with their lives.. its a desgin..not like you have to buy the t-shirt and i realize this is old.. just wanted to put in my 2 cents..haha |
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the comments are so good
i love idiot herd people |
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