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In the US, your statement that the people making the decision to go to war pay the least would be correct. However, in Israel, every member of the government has a son, daughter, cousin, nephew, etc. serving in the military at any given time.
In this case Tzipi Livni, the woman who arguably ordered the invasion, has her son leading one of the first units who went into gaza on the ground. Saying that she has nothing to lose in this is just incorrect.
posted 4 years, 5 months ago in Let's talk about Gaza.
This is primarily in response to the map of the region found a few pages back in this blog, where it appears as though palestinian settlement has been constantly eroded by Jews and Israelis for the last 60 years. A true map of pre-1948 Palestine/Israel would show thousands of tiny settlements in the middle of vast empty areas, with roughly 2/3 of the population being Arab/Palestinian and 1/3 being Jewish. The large area in the south of modern-day Israel, the Negev Desert (forming roughly half of the Jewish state under the UN partition plan), was largely unsettled except for bedouin tribes. Any way you look at it the plan was untenable (look at the way the european powers carved up africa and how well that worked out if you want a parallel) and it's not terribly suprising that war broke out as soon as the plan was supposed to have been put into effect. However, it was never intended that the areas given to each side would mean that the other group would have to vacate. It was meant as a map of administrative control.
I have to go to dinner with my family (one of my brothers goes back to Israel tomorrow) but I'll be back later on to add and (hopefully) to respond to any comments or questions.
The simple response there is that Hamas shouldn't be firing rockets at all, and saying they don't have any space that isn't on top of civilians isn't an excuse for what they are doing. They have a history of actively using civilians both as weapons and as shields, and have a healthy understanding of the PR value of civilian casualties on both sides.
I hope you guys don't mind me getting in to the conversation. I'm a newbie here (though some of you have met me, I'm Jenra's boyfriend) but I've read through the blog and would like to offer my thoughts as someone who has both outside and inside perspectives on the conflict. I am Jewish, and I lived in Jerusalem for a little less than a year next to an Arab village. My twin younger brothers are finishing up voluntary tours of duty in the Israeli army, and one of them is a counter-terrorism instructor for their special forces.
One of the hardest thing about these issues is that each side distorts information in order to serve its own ends. The plethora of facts, maps, statements, and images from both sides provide endless fodder for argument and accusation. I'd like to address a lot of the issues I've seen brought up in this blog, and hopefully be able to dialogue about them with all of you. Thanks to Aled for starting the blog and (I think) fostering an atmosphere of tolerance and dialog that, for the most part, has kept the tone here pretty even and civil.
The things I'm most concerned with that I've seen so far are the comments about Israel's right to exist and some confusion regarding the establishment of the state in 1948. To start with, here's an article (from a jewish source) talking about how maps of the area can be used to tell a lot of different stories. Hopefully I'll be able to find some more sources (from different perspectives) to weigh in on the issue.
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