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Resistance
Resistance aka Lucas Knisely is a 30.55 year old boy, has been a member since September 3, 2008, has scored 101,149 submissions, giving an average score of 2.27, helping 1,115 designs get printed.
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There is a simple and effective way to get people to vote that doesn't encourage the sort of insanity that ensued over night. This has been suggested MULTIPLE times, and yes, would require the score being hidden again. This is my best effort to show the value of an on going guess the score incentive.

UPDATE: Winning would not be linked to the vote (some good points were raised). You may want to give a design a 2 or a 5 but think it will score a 3.12, and should still be able to vote honestly while competing to win.

UPDATE #2: Don't do math early in the morning. Section on the money has been updated.

GUESS THE SCORE

Guess the score attached to every design would encourage people to not just vote, but to think about their vote and really examine the art. Instead of POWER SCORING though 400 designs in a mindless fashion, they would actually stop and look at the design, weigh the printability and the skill shown, and guess the final score. Each week when the designs are printed, you feature the guess the score winner on every shirt. This would accomplish a few great things that would largely benefit threadless as a business...

First, it shows the purchasing side of the community that they can win shirts by voting. What's this? Someone won this awesome shirt just by voting? *clicks link to start voting*

Second, it would encourage the blogging and submitting side of the community to start voting again. Most of us make up a good portion of your regular purchasers, so our input in voting, I would think, is pretty valuable.

Finally, it would motivate those who just sort of click through the voting alternating between 0 and 5 to actually slow down and vote with some thought. Slow down, dude, check out the art! Will this get a decent score? Will it print? You could freaking win a free shirt by simply slowing down and voting in a more thoughtful way.

In the end, all three of these things would increase the recurring visitation to the site, which, I imagine, is one of the main hopes behind the current incentive. And about that...

Honestly, lets think about the value of the current competition and compare it to the above guess the score idea. You are giving away $240 to one person for voting during one period of time. That equals out to about 10 full priced shirts, which covers a free shirt for 10 people instead of just one person. So instead of rewarding one person for whipping through the votes, you could reward multiple people each week, which will continue to create a buzz and an incentive for voting.

Do you see my point? Guess the score would provide you with somewhat less inflated total votes, but would provide you with more thoughtful voting and more recurring visitors. Added to the fact that you are spreading out the winnings, instead of shooting it all at one person, and continue to spread the word with each week. Every week people would see that they can win shirts by voting because you print new shirts every week (this would probably slowly increase voting). What you did for the 24 hours thing is already almost here and gone. In the end I'm pretty confident you won't get much of a return on the $240... not as much recurring votes and customers as you would from an on going guess the score incentive. And lets not forget that you are giving away $240 AND frustrating your artist pool in the same fell swoop.
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xiv
   xiv on Jan 19 '12 at 8:31am
I love Threadless but


to the 24hour speed-voters.

The skeleton hand is appropriate due to the majority of Loves Death subs being destroyed by zeros.
xiv
   xiv on Jan 19 '12 at 8:31am
and my skeleton middle finger image idnt work.
Wharton
Wharton on Jan 19 '12 at 8:34am
Thats a very effective and intelligently written proposal. It makes me feel a bit bashful that I went into nuclear whinge mode instead of quietly thinking of a solution as you have. Nice work.
Demented
   Demented on Jan 19 '12 at 8:35am
Very good point, and I think this would actually be a great addition.
Demented
   Demented on Jan 19 '12 at 8:39am
One minor flaw though, this would effectively stop everyone interested in winning the shirt from voting 5. No shirt is going to score a 5, so in order to win it, you'd have to score it something like a 3. Lots of people doing this would lower the actual final score.
Sure, not everybody is interested in the small chance of winning a shirt they're voting on, but still..
agrimony
   agrimony on Jan 19 '12 at 8:40am
why this will not work, and has already been mentioned by others:

guess the score causes people to vote 2s or 3s, not 5s or 0s.. so while you are solving the 0s, you aren't really helping the scores much.

I like the idea of hiding the scores though. and i've suggested this before, show only the score to the owner of the sub.

instead of a guess the score, i'd suggest threadless give out regular surprise gifts (gc, stp etc.) to a random voter every week or so to encourage CONSTANT voting. not a 24 hrs madness like this
agrimony
   agrimony on Jan 19 '12 at 8:42am
why this will not work, and has already been mentioned by others:

guess the score causes people to vote 2s or 3s, not 5s or 0s.. so while you are solving the 0s, you aren't really helping the scores much.

I like the idea of hiding the scores though. and i've suggested this before, show only the score to the owner of the sub.

instead of a guess the score, i'd suggest threadless give out regular surprise gifts (gc, stp etc.) to a random voter every week or so to encourage CONSTANT voting. not a 24 hrs madness like this
squintygirl
squintygirl on Jan 19 '12 at 8:45am
I like your idea, but I disagree on this one point:

You could link winning to their vote so they couldn't guess something awesome will get a 3.12 and then score it a ZERO (well they could, but not if they want to win)

Just because I think something will score 3.12 doesn't mean I think it deserves it. Some designs I 5$ end up with a shitty score and I know it. And some designs I give a 1 or 0 end up with a better score, and I might know that, too. What I think a design deserves and I what I think it will end up scoring can often be two very different things, and that's just the way it goes.

It's a very interesting idea overall. Well thought out, good on you!
martiandrivein
   martiandrivein on Jan 19 '12 at 8:45am
KNISLEY FOR PREZ '12
martiandrivein
   martiandrivein on Jan 19 '12 at 8:45am
KNISLEY FOR PREZ '12
martiandrivein
   martiandrivein on Jan 19 '12 at 8:48am
KNISLEY FOR PREZ '12
RicoMambo
   RicoMambo on Jan 19 '12 at 8:50am
Great post Lucas, fantastic ideas
Resistance
   Resistance on Jan 19 '12 at 8:52am
Okay, good points, everyone!

Unlink winning to the score. So you may think it is going to score well, 2.80-3.00, but want to score it lower because you don't like it, or you want to score it a 5. Great points everyone!
squintygirl
squintygirl on Jan 19 '12 at 8:52am
Demented on Jan 19 '12 at 8:39am
One minor flaw though, this would effectively stop everyone interested in winning the shirt from voting 5. No shirt is going to score a 5, so in order to win it, you'd have to score it something like a 3. Lots of people doing this would lower the actual final score.
Sure, not everybody is interested in the small chance of winning a shirt they're voting on, but still..


There's no reason why you can't vote 5 for something you love, know it will end up with a 3.1, or 2.2, or 1.9. What you think other people might score shouldn't affect what you think a design deserves.
Resistance
   Resistance on Jan 19 '12 at 8:57am
I updated the blog with your good input. People should be able to vote honestly, while still competing to win.
v.calahan
   v.calahan on Jan 19 '12 at 8:58am
5$
Farnell
   Farnell on Jan 19 '12 at 8:59am
at the end of the day the 24hour thing it shit for everyone apart from Threadless and the one person who wins the $240... don't worry everyone, things will be back to normal tomorrow when all the 'glory voters have gone'
martiandrivein
   martiandrivein on Jan 19 '12 at 8:59am
^oh woah didn't even know I posted once, yet alone three times. just read that as a chant.
Demented
   Demented on Jan 19 '12 at 8:59am
Exactly. If I like a shirt, I'd want to win it, but I'd also want to score the shirt a $5, thereby ruining my chances of winning that particular shirt.

I'd love to hear input on this from the Threadless folks. I'm sure issues like this have been discussed internally before.
v.calahan
   v.calahan on Jan 19 '12 at 9:01am
5$
quick-brown-fox
   quick-brown-fox on Jan 19 '12 at 9:03am
I've just been looking at Threadless Live. There are two designs which have 2,000 more votes than anything else. They both have 6 more days left. That strikes me as being weird.
Wharton
Wharton on Jan 19 '12 at 9:04am
This might complicate things further, but you could have the same scoring system that we have now and you vote whatever you think the design is worth, but then there could be a secondary score for the 'guess/ competition'? This might be a bit too convoluted though.
quick-brown-fox
   quick-brown-fox on Jan 19 '12 at 9:04am
I've just been looking at Threadless Live. There are two designs which have 2,000 more votes than anything else. They both have 6 more days left. That strikes me as being weird.
quick-brown-fox
   quick-brown-fox on Jan 19 '12 at 9:05am
I've just been looking at Threadless Live. There are two designs which have 2,000 more votes than anything else. They both have 6 more days left. That strikes me as being weird.

None of my comments seem to be sticking!
squintygirl
squintygirl on Jan 19 '12 at 9:06am
I also score every day, and I don't think I'll have 240 designs to score during this time, even if I was gung ho about the prize.
Wharton
Wharton on Jan 19 '12 at 9:07am
This might complicate things further, but you could have the same scoring system that we have now and you vote whatever you think the design is worth, but then there could be a secondary score for the 'guess/ competition'? This might be a bit too convoluted though.
SJ27
SJ27 on Jan 19 '12 at 9:15am
You are giving away $240 to one person for voting during one period of time. That equals out to about 100 full priced shirts

What, what?
ZombieToArt
ZombieToArt on Jan 19 '12 at 9:16am
I was thinking something like after you vote, a box pops up asking you if you want to predict the final score, you can either put in a number or skip (and maybe an option to turn it off by default if people find it annoying)
Resistance
   Resistance on Jan 19 '12 at 9:20am
LOL @ SJ27... note to self... don't do math early in the morning
xiv
   xiv on Jan 19 '12 at 9:21am
Oh man, the stats on the /all page are crazy.

The votes under the live feed are all from people with no user pic.
A couple subs have 4k+ votes when the majority have 1-2k.
Most of the people under voting milestones dont have a user pic.
Over 1 million votes today.
Under 1.5 million votes for this entire week.
xiv
   xiv on Jan 19 '12 at 9:21am
I meant the /live page.
Rock Daddy
   Rock Daddy on Jan 19 '12 at 9:25am
Very good points guys. I agree that there's a lot of insanity happening. I feel a lot of great designs got their scores beaten down by the tsunami of overnight votes. But I guess you can't expect everyone to rationally critique every design for what it's worth, when free $$ is on the line..
jeffreyg
jeffreyg on Jan 19 '12 at 9:56am
I think the moral of this story is that Threadless just wants more traffic.


this jar contains the amount of fucks they give about everything else:
UpforDraw
UpforDraw on Jan 19 '12 at 10:00am
@xiv, i think those 2 subs have far more votes because they're the very first 2 subs to get scored if you'll follow the link from the newsletter, that's what i noticed
FRICKINAWESOME
   FRICKINAWESOME on Jan 19 '12 at 10:09am
Jeffrey speaks the fucking troof about this whole thing.
Ragnampiza
Ragnampiza on Jan 19 '12 at 10:18am
Really like the idea of the official guess the score, Lucas and y'all who helped building it up. Totally approve that people should slow down and appreciate more what they're watching.
jesshanebury
jesshanebury on Jan 19 '12 at 10:21am
Thanks for your input guys and sorry you aren't digging today's challenges. We'll keep all this in mind for the future.
randyotter3000
   randyotter3000 on Jan 19 '12 at 10:29am
What you guys seem to forget is how spoiled you are by a low vote count, specially when a load of votes come from the community/friends
v.calahan
   v.calahan on Jan 19 '12 at 10:30am
The Jar of Wisdom! :P
Resistance
   Resistance on Jan 19 '12 at 10:43am
Thanks, Jess! Some people were a tad too critical and negative in here... but overall my aim was to offer input on how to achieve good things for threadless: increase votes and get more recurring voters.

My criticism is largely that the current 24hr incentive won't achieve either of those in the long run. But, it has drawn attention to the low amount of votes, which means you guys are thinking of ways to make things better, and for that I'm hopeful and thankful.
agrimony
   agrimony on Jan 19 '12 at 10:49am
while i like the idea of guess the score, i dont know it might be a little annoying to have all those extra clicks. maybe as a promotional tool? shrug
soloyo
soloyo on Jan 19 '12 at 10:54am
my posts are just appearing now, didn't mean to post so many times, sorry.
skaw
   skaw on Jan 19 '12 at 10:56am
right now the voting challenges are a great low-tech way for us to drive votes. we do want to do more interesting things with the actual voting system to improve votes and have a lot of things planned but they are mostly dependent on getting the newly redesigned site launched. hopefully very soon!
Farnell
   Farnell on Jan 19 '12 at 11:02am
I think it is fine to be critical, because the majority of people voting today are not designers, they are buyers of threadless shirts... I work in a design agency where loads of people wear and buy threadless shirts, but I am the only one that designs for threadless, gets involved in the blogs, votes etc...

But today they are all voting to try and win the cash, they won't vote again until the next time they can win a prize!!!!
Farnell
   Farnell on Jan 19 '12 at 11:04am
@skaw cheers man, but will you take into account the crap score that good designs seem to be getting? by all the 'glory voters'

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