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Fourcolours
Fourcolours aka Darren Hudson Hick is 35.12 years old, has been a member since November 18, 2007, has scored 2826 submissions, giving an average score of 2.13.
  Dec 11 '08 by Fourcolours        8 Comments        Watch this      Share:  Share on facebook    Share on delicious    Share on digg    Share on MySpace    Tweet this    Stumble this    Share this on Kaboodle   
Am I the only one who is feeling more and more like the Critiques are just basically useless?

Don't get me wrong--every once in a while, I get a really useful piece of feedback (for instance, I got a good suggestion from rgdrew and MegaMusen on my Let's Swing critique-sub), but this is just so exceedingly rare. When I do get suggestions, for the most part I've already considered and rejected them (for whatever design reason/preference/personal idiosyncrasy), but these tend to be pretty few and far between anyway.

By and large, I'll be lucky if I get 5 or more people clicking the submit/needs work/don't submit buttons. By and large, these seem pretty much useless, too:

"Submits" just reflect what I already think.

"Don't Submits" never come with explanations, so I write these off as people who don't like my style, think what I've drawn is absolute crap, or otherwise don't get it. Not much I can do about these folks.

The "Needs Work" people, on the other hand, are the reason for critiquing in the first place. And usually the people who click "Needs Work" never say what they think needs to be done.

All this being said, when I skim through the Critiques, while I want to do my duty and provide useful feedback, I'm also often at a loss for words. The fact is, I think a lot of what goes through the Critiques is just crap (I also think a lot of what is submitted for voting is crap, but to a lesser extent, thanks no doubt to the Threadless weeding-out process). Either it strikes me as poorly drawn, completely lacking in ideas, is utterly dull, or some other permutation of these. And when the people who've subbed these critiques beg for feedback, I just don't know what to say to them. Either I'll click "Don't Submit" or I'll just do nothing. So yes, I suppose I'm as guilty as anyone else.

There are, of course, a lot of designs that just aren't my style. They're usually well-executed enough, but they just aren't something I like. And so (unless I can see that it WOULD sell a lot of shirts), I tend to refrain from saying anything or clicking anything. I just don't feel qualified to pass judgment.

So, while I may continue to use the Critiques in hopes of getting that one useful bit of feedback, I just get so damned frustrated with it, I often wonder why I'm not just skipping it altogether and trusting my own judgment.

*sigh*

againstbound
   againstbound on Dec 11 '08 at 4:13pm
Critique sucks, that has been discussed a lot in the past, all you're dealing with most of us already have, that's why I rarely go there anymore.

But your stuff is good, instead of posting critiques post a blog with your WIP and ask for feedback, it usually works better. To the very least you won't end with lots of useless comments fllowed by non-clickable links.
Fourcolours
Fourcolours on Dec 11 '08 at 4:18pm
Thanks, AB. Ironically, I don't really follow the blog scene on here, so I'm out of touch.
Mountain Gnome
Mountain Gnome on Dec 11 '08 at 4:24pm
critiques is for die hards, the idea is good, but its mostly the blind leading the blinkered or vice versa, I used to be more active there, but a lot of advice was just ignored, and I gave up too. AB's advice about the WIP blog is better.
Goldendust
Goldendust on Dec 11 '08 at 4:42pm
Yeah... it seems to be easier to get a clear opinion without those little submit/needs work/don't submit buttons. Often, it's not as clear cut as that.

By the way, I love your style. The way you worked with the branding on the cigarette case is brilliant! ^-^
Fourcolours
Fourcolours on Dec 11 '08 at 6:08pm
Thanks, Goldendust. And yeah, as you might tell from my earlier blog entry, I've got a thing about intellectual property rights, so I try to be careful.
Johnny Baboon
   Johnny Baboon on Dec 11 '08 at 6:10pm
except for fatheed. he crits all the time. though he's going for best use of crit bestee
Steelplate
Steelplate on Dec 11 '08 at 6:16pm
I don't know what to tell you. You're absolutely right with the way most critiques go down but on things such as my most recent sub the process worked really well, coming from an idea the public considered bad and formed into something people liked.

But I guess that's just how it's supposed to work and not necessarily how it does. Personally, if they took away the convinience of the automatic Yes, No, Needs Work buttons, more commenting might just take place. Catch 22 of that is that most people just post so they can link their own crap in it too, and thus the cycle continues.

Oh wow, I made an ironic statement.
Krakaboom
   Krakaboom on Dec 11 '08 at 6:17pm
Fatheed is the ONLY one who gets the crits to work. Me, I tried it once and gave up.

Once in a while I do try to wander over there, but it's extremely hard work trying to offer advise or suggestions sometimes when all you want to say is 'dude, that's never gonna work'.
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