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fichu bon chat aka Scotty Danger is a 19.07 year old boy, has been a member since August 27, 2007, has scored 1 submissions, giving an average score of 5.00.
  Sep 20 '07 by fichu bon chat        65 Comments        Watch this
I find it disgusting that so many people could support what amounts to a mob attack on an innocent. Maybe you've heard a lot of second-hand bullshit through Facebook or whatnot, but the wikipedia has facts, and the testimonials from both the black and white citizens of Jena tell a fully different story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_6

"I'm not even sure how to start this post, as I joined
this site particularly to respond to this thread. I
decided that it was time that there was a dose of the
facts.

Once upon a time, a school assembly was held to
discuss dress codes at Jena High School. An assembly
was held for the boys, and one for the girls, as the
dress codes do have some differences. As a joke during
the boys' assembly, a black boy, who is known to
always joke around, asked the principal, "can we sit
under the tree." There are no boundaries as to where
anyone can or cannot sit at the school. That tree was
a twig when I went there. It grows right smack in the
middle of the school square. Kids tend to congregate
in areas with their friends. Some congregate under the
tree, on the benches, around the "casket," and other
areas of the school. Blacks and whites are welcome at
any one of those locales. People tend to congregate
where they feel comfortable. That usually is where the
majority of their friends are. However, there is
nothing saying that they cannot go elsewhere. Same is
the case here.

The square at Jena High School has been known for the
center of school spirit and/or pranks for many years.
I've seen everything from "funerals" of opponent
football teams to the tree and surrounding area
covered with toilet tissue. Jena High School is known
for themed activities surrounding football games. This
particular week, JHS was playing a team in which the
mascot is Cowboys! Hence, the nooses in the
tree..."hang'em high!" Not for one moment did the
thought of racism cross my mind or the majority of the
others. It was football season. We were playing the
cowboys. The kids, girls and boys, wore boots to
school and had a western themed pep rally! Nooses =
cowboys and horse theives in my world. Maybe I've
watched too much Gunsmoke, but racism was not even a
thought. Due to the reaction of ADULTS in the black
community, not the kids at the school, the boys were
suspended. The entire punishment for those boys was
never published because of the confidentiality of the
issue. However, the boys were suspended. They and
their families were required to go to counseling. The
boys had hours of community service. The boys and
their families continue to receive threatening phone
calls, but yet no one has addressed that issue.

In the wee hours of a Thursday morning, arsonists set
fire to Jena High School. The main building burned.
Blacks and whites, alike, wiped tears as their Alma
Mater was for the most part gone! Nothing has been
proven to be related to the noose incident or any
other racially motivated activities.

The weekend after the school burned, a private party
was held in Jena. Invited guests were black and white.
However, some uninvited guests showed up at the party
and wanted to come in. A fight ensued between a white
boy and a black boy. This fueled fights that took
place over the weekend.

A white young man was leaving from a convenience store
that is located on the outskirts of town. As he was
leaving, black boys "jumped" him. He did have a gun in
his truck, as do many of the males that hunt in this
part of the world. When he went to get his gun, the
black boys took the gun from him. Police were called.
Black boys were arrested for stealing the gun and
attacking him. He was not involved at the incident at
the party, nor was he even at the party.

The following Monday, the kids returned to JHS, the
first day after the fire. Emotions were still askew
due to the fire. Everything that was "normal" was not
"normal" any more. There was no intercom system.
Classes were moved all over the remaining part of the
school. It was chaos, but controlled for the most
part.

The students stayed in the gym area during their lunch
break. When the bell rang for them to head back to
class, one of the "Jena six," cornered a freshmen
white boy in the lobby of the gym. He was trying to
get the boy to fight him. The freshmen boy was clad in
blue jeans and red wing boots, hence the typical "red
neck." Another black boy, the very SAME one that asked
about sitting under the tree, pulled one of the "Jena
six" away from the boy and told him that there would
be none of that fighting there.

However, that wasn't enough for same boy. As the
students were returning to class, same "Jena Six" boy,
pulled the hood of his sweatshirt up over his head and
pushed the victim down into a concrete wall. When the
boy hit the concrete, he was knocked unconscious. It
was at this time, that five other boys, joined in and
continued to stomp and kick the boy as he lay
unconscious on the ground. Guess what...the SAME boy
that asked can we sit under the tree, was doing
everything that he could to pull them off of the
victim. The color of his skin is also black! A friend
of the victims managed to lay over the victim until
teachers could get there to break the fight up.
Remember, there was no intercom system, no way to call
for help! The victim was unconscious when he the
ambulance arrived. Hospital records will verify that.
Thank God, he ended up not being hurt any worse than
he was.

On same night of the incidence, the junior class had
their ring ceremony at a local church since the
auditorium of the school was burned. The victim was a
junior and was able to attend the ceremony. His face
was swollen and bruised, but yet he was able to walk
up and get his ring. The audience applauded as his Mom
placed the ring on his finger. One of the Jena six,
was also at this ring ceremony the same night.

So the question that many are asking is was he hurt
badly enough for the "Jena Six" to be charged with
attempted murder? I, for one, am not sure of exactly
what the statutes or guidelines are for determining
charges. However, the extent of one's injuries does
not have a thing to do with that. Think about it, one
could shoot at someone and miss, and never harm a hair
on their head. That's just something to think about.

Oh by the way, since there's already one thing to
think about, here is yet another. Think about the
"black" girl that was consoled by her "white" friends
the day after the fight. She was having to be consoled
because some of the blacks, the color of her own skin,
were threatening her, stating that she was the one
that turned them in. Ask the media to find that girl
and her Mom. There just may be a different twist on
everything.

This is an unfortunate situation for everyone
involved, the kids, their families, the school, and
the community. The community has come together on more
than one occasion with prayer meetings for unity and
harmony in the community. There are consequences for
behaviors. I hope that you will join with us in
praying for consequences to be just.

The moral of this whole story is, do not believe
everything that you here in the media. Remember, there
is more than one side of the story. Unfortunately, the
side that is most news worthy is the one that makes
the news.

Please remember our community in your prayers."

The Jena saints sure seem a bit different now, huh? Racism is wrong, but assault is illegal.
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Noodlegirl
Noodlegirl on Sep 20 '07 at 12:20pm
I don't know too much about it, but I'm sick of hearing about it everywhere and being invited to so many groups on facebook.
tracerbullet
   tracerbullet on Sep 20 '07 at 12:25pm
i actually just heard about this today.

and...

i don't care.
tesco
   tesco on Sep 20 '07 at 12:25pm
seems a bit unbelievable, especially "Nooses = cowboys and horse theives in my world. Maybe I've watched too much Gunsmoke, but racism was not even a thought"



btw when this shirt came out, it caused a shitstorm from people saying it was racist. nooses hanging from trees...
lemonalle
lemonalle on Sep 20 '07 at 12:27pm
The most fun of all of this was hearing Jesse Jackson comparing it to Selma on the news this morning. What an attention whore.
fichu bon chat
fichu bon chat on Sep 20 '07 at 12:28pm
i posted that witness account only as a pathos. the logos in the wiki is all that should really matter.
fichu bon chat
fichu bon chat on Sep 20 '07 at 12:28pm
for realsies, jesse jackson only sees racism where it can pad his wallet.
Chipmnk
Chipmnk on Sep 20 '07 at 12:31pm
I did sign some kind of online petition for it, but that was over a month ago. I really don't care that much now.
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Sep 20 '07 at 12:38pm
dl hughley said it best about jesse and al sharpton types
he asked; "who's the white leader? who's teh chineese leader? why is that the blacks have to have a leader and how the hell is it these two idiots?"
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Sep 20 '07 at 12:39pm
racism's been around longer than religion.
canadianbeaver
canadianbeaver on Sep 20 '07 at 12:42pm
most interesting part for me was just the creation of the icon, "whites only tree".
skafiend007
skafiend007 on Sep 20 '07 at 12:49pm
while I personally don't understand the attention to this case, I too hated Jackson's comparison to Selma.

Peaceful march for basic civil rights like the right to vote vs. marching for six guys who beat the shit out of another guy (who, truth be told, wasn't entirely innocent, but anyway). if those six guys had beat up a black girl and were put in jail, would there be a march.

True, the noose thing was disgusting and they guys who did it were punished (maybe not to the best extent, but still), but the act didn't involve physical attack. Which makes me scratch my head when I hear people say the black kids involved got harsher punishment...well, yeah, cause they physically attack someone. If they were put in jail for hanging a Klan guy in effigy and the other guys weren't for hanging nooses, they there might be grounds for a comparison.

I think there are better battles out there to pick than this one.

Oh, and fichu, you should refrain from getting factual info from Wikipedia...
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Sep 20 '07 at 12:51pm
Oh, and fichu, you should refrain from getting factual info from Wikipedia...

SLOGAN TEE
skafiend007
skafiend007 on Sep 20 '07 at 12:52pm
dl hughley said it best about jesse and al sharpton types
he asked; "who's the white leader? who's teh chineese leader? why is that the blacks have to have a leader and how the hell is it these two idiots?"


yeah, shirt, I hated that stuff too. I never call one of those guys "leader" cuz I don't remember anyone voting for them. And I was always puzzled that the word was never used with other groups. When I worked at a newspaper, I made a point of referring to them as "activists" rather than leader in the articles I wrote. "Leader" always reminded me of Fearless Leader in the Bulwinkle cartoons.
skafiend007
skafiend007 on Sep 20 '07 at 12:53pm
LOL.. is that under the letter limit, shirt?
fichu bon chat
fichu bon chat on Sep 20 '07 at 12:53pm
It's all been verified with quoted sources. A recent study showed it was nearly on par with the Britannica.
maddingo
maddingo on Sep 20 '07 at 12:54pm
yes i am very well sick of the Jena 6

they can freaking rot in jail


black people would do well to find leaders that would condemn jerks like this rather than cry that they are being persecuted.



Maltzmania
Maltzmania on Sep 20 '07 at 12:54pm
skafiend007
skafiend007 on Sep 20 '07 at 1:00pm
black people would do well to find leaders that would condemn jerks like this rather than cry that they are being persecuted.

Black people don't "find" leaders. The modern leaders are mostly designated by the coverage the media gives them. Sharpton made his name by showing up on the scene and getting the cameras to turn to him. The more the cameras turned, the more his name was out there, the more he became the go-to guy. Not to keep talking about working for newspapers, but when i covered incidents, there were certain guys who would show up and work hard to get face time on the camera or names in the paper. They were jockeying to be the next "Jesse" or "Al". They'd call us at the paper, tell us they were going to protesting at X construction site about the lack of minorities, etc. and wait until the media showed up to get on the camera or talk to the reporter.

But as far as black people choosing leaders, there are no caucus sessions for "leaders", no balloting. Guys just show up, the media starts listening to them and people just assume they're the ones to go to. If you want to point the finger, point it at the media for giving these guys credibility.
Stevethegreat
Stevethegreat on Sep 20 '07 at 1:01pm
lol @ not knowing what the hell this is.
melhel86
melhel86 on Sep 20 '07 at 1:03pm
I live in Louisiana I'm sick of hearing about all this. I somehow don't compare six people kicking the crap out of a kid (white or black) while he's unconscious a "school yard tussle". I have never been to Jena, probably never will but I feel sorry that the entire town has suddenly become black against white because the media and the "reverend" has come to town.

loserbeech
loserbeech on Sep 20 '07 at 1:08pm
'An argument ensued, after which the white student ran to his pickup truck and produced a pistol-grip shotgun. Bailey ran after the white student and wrestled him for control of the gun. Bailey's friends intervened in the scuffle and took the gun away. Bailey refused to return it and ultimately took it home with him. Local police reported that the accounts of the white student and black students contradicted each other and formed a report based on testimony taken from eyewitnesses. This resulted in Bailey being charged with three counts: theft of a firearm, second-degree robbery, and disturbing the peace. The white student who produced the weapon was not charged.'

What the fuck? I've heard about the noose aspect of the case, and the tennis shoes being classed as 'deadly weapons', but that is some new bullshit right there.
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Sep 20 '07 at 1:10pm
what do we think is the bigger picture here?
skafiend007
skafiend007 on Sep 20 '07 at 1:14pm
But as far as being sick of hearing about things, there are a lot of things i'm sick of hearing about...
skafiend007
skafiend007 on Sep 20 '07 at 1:15pm
what do we think is the bigger picture here?

What's that? I think I know but...um, I just want to see if YOU know... ahem.
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Sep 20 '07 at 1:17pm
well, at what point and from which media outlet does a 6v1 thumping turn into a showering of love for the 6?
tesco
   tesco on Sep 20 '07 at 1:18pm
I agree with whatever Fox news says about it
skafiend007
skafiend007 on Sep 20 '07 at 1:25pm
Good question, shirt... I'm not sure where this whole "movement" thing started. I've hear that certain national radio broadcasters made it their cause and trumpted, that it blew up on blogs, etc. Basically word of mouth stuff. I guess when Al or Jesse got a hold of it, they saw it was becoming a nationwide issue and jumped into it, and thus the media followed them.

But for the media it had all the "juicy" tidbits: blatant racism, nooses hangning from a tree in the south, white vs. black, violence, Jesse and Al, etc. Throw in a missing blond woman and Nancy Grace would be all over this...

BlameTheSuburbs
   BlameTheSuburbs on Sep 20 '07 at 1:25pm
The bigger picture is that there is still a massive socioeconomic division between black people and the rest of the country, in large part because of racism, and it deserves attention.

This Jena 6 story is complicated and the simple fact that it is controversial and there are so many sides to it says something about race relations, and our multitude of conceptions of racism in this country.
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Sep 20 '07 at 1:31pm
it's just like an invisible fire that gets stoked every now and then by outlets which will have no palce in determining what should be done next. if you keep stoking a smoldering fire it can last for a long long time and i think that's what racism is here. white people, mexican people, black people, all kinds of people live impoverished and so that justifies a mob? of course not.

i don't think this story's complicated.
i didn't think that crazy rape/mutliation case of the 5 black people v white couple was complicated either.

i just wonder if somewhere someone's thinking, 'well, whites were mean to blacks years back so this thing isn't so bad'.
BlameTheSuburbs
   BlameTheSuburbs on Sep 20 '07 at 1:42pm
You're missing my point. Theres a legacy of insitutional racism in the US. It still exists today- in city planning, public funding, the educaton and health care systems- where black people are systematically not given equal treatment. After world war II black people were for the most part excluded from the GI bill, and the impact of that is still seen in home ownership rates and education levels of whites vs blacks.

Its not about racism on an individual basis that makes these things have a big impact, but the idea that there are inequalities in our country that need attention. There are all these associations that go along with ANY story about race relations that makes the story compicated.
skafiend007
skafiend007 on Sep 20 '07 at 1:43pm
I agree to an extent, shirt. this particular case was fueled and fed by race almost exclusively. It's not like the "race card" (a term I despise) was played out of nowhere. And once it was in the mix, the rest was sure to follow (unfair incarceration, etc.) But there are a lot of cases where it doesn't factor in but is anyway. using handy terms like "black vs. white" is an easy way for some people to get their heads around an issue and try to figure out where to stand. It's much easier to say "we have to go fight the terrorists in Iraq" than to say "well, yeah, there might be terrorists there, but there's also oil and we can also try to establish a democratic base of operation so that we can put our tent stakes there and..."
skafiend007
skafiend007 on Sep 20 '07 at 1:44pm
In the big picture, blame is right. We may not want to admit it or see it, but it's there. I was just trying to focus on this one incident.
but you can't discount the influence of the media into all of this...
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Sep 20 '07 at 1:51pm
so as long as the media purports it's truth?

at what point does the past become far enough behind that it cannot be used an excuse? i understand america's roots and the wanting to continue the wealth among the few. i'm not denying that and that's what i was digging for with my initial qeustion as to what's the bigger problem.

i think the bigger problem is not getting past the point where you are no longer controlled by your past.
skafiend007
skafiend007 on Sep 20 '07 at 1:56pm
so as long as the media purports it's truth?
Don't know if you're asking me (probably not) but I'm definitely not saying that. but as long as they report it it's "news"... does that make sense?

as far as when does an excuse stop being an "excuse"... depends on the excuse, I guess. I guess you have to ask yourself if there is complete fairness in housing, jobs, education, etc. in this country. If you can't answer "absolutely yes", then that might make the "excuse" still valid.

ISABOA
   ISABOA on Sep 20 '07 at 1:57pm
holy hell -

this is why i don't support public schools
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Sep 20 '07 at 2:02pm
there is no real ruler or gauge for when everything will ever or even can be completely fair. especially with the polical correctness movements. we will never know if the 'playing field' which consists of housing jobs and education are ever fair for everyone.
this isn't meant to turn a blind eye on the past, but yet, learn from it obviously, and not perpetuate the negativity of the lessons learned.

it isn't odd that the media being owned by all white folks push out these kinds of stories? are they trying to get sympathy or instigate the lesser intelligent beings into a reactionary state?
maddingo
maddingo on Sep 20 '07 at 2:09pm
this whole blog is just making me angry

the jerks that hung up the nooses where well outta line and should be punished

in fact every one white or black in this that behaved illegally should face the full measure of the law


and regardless of how blacks have been treated / are treated whatever ....

6 punks who jump one guy...are not people you should be having a fucking march for.



alright i'm f'ing done with this.....i will see you guys later at the White Peoples Club where we will drink fine brandy and smoke expensive cigars that we get for free cause we are white peoples....oh wait...
lemonalle
lemonalle on Sep 20 '07 at 2:09pm
Jena definitely has a problem with racism, but I don't see how that vindicates the students who stomped the other kid. Why are they being treated as though they were arrested unfairly?
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Sep 20 '07 at 2:14pm
finally back to the point.
ISABOA
   ISABOA on Sep 20 '07 at 2:24pm
Every time I got jumped by groups of minorities - I took my beatings like a man -
skafiend007
skafiend007 on Sep 20 '07 at 2:26pm
there is no real ruler or gauge for when everything will ever or even can be completely fair.

Yeah, probably not. but if can discern a clear pattern of who's being excluded and who isn't and it's a large enough percentage of the population, that might be an indication of who's being treated unfairly and who isn't. Bottom line: racism does exist in this country. I don't think anyone can deny that. The problem comes in when it can be called "racism" and when it isn't.

it isn't odd that the media being owned by all white folks push out these kinds of stories? are they trying to get sympathy or instigate the lesser intelligent beings into a reactionary state?

No, they're trying to get people to tune in and stay tuned in for ratings. Simple. Like yelling "fire!". everyone will stop and look.

maddingo
this whole blog is just making me angry
It shouldn't. We're having a perfectly calm conversation about race. That's a welcome relief from the usual...

Lemon...
Why are they being treated as though they were arrested unfairly?

I asked the same thing earlier. I must have missed something. Granted, there were a few confrontations earlier, but the incident that got these guys arrested seemed to be unto itself. People keep comparing it to the punishment given to the guys who hung the noose, but if that is the only comparison, the punishment shouldn't have been the same.

Anyway, maybe people should stop reading this blog if it's going to get them all riled up. It's just a discussion... which is long overdue.
skafiend007
skafiend007 on Sep 20 '07 at 2:28pm
anyway, I gotta run to the gym... hope no one starts foaming at the mouth around here... :)
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Sep 20 '07 at 2:31pm
man, when i think about it that way, racism's much older than the US. but we're forced to look at it as if this black vs white thing started here.
i'd like to think the white v black started around the time of britain and spain and the rest colonizing and taking parts of 'the dark continent" for their own.
Ste7en
   Ste7en on Sep 20 '07 at 2:47pm
District Attorney Reed Walters stressed on Wednesday that race had nothing to do with the charges in Jena.

Walters said he didn't charge the white students accused of hanging the nooses because he could find no Louisiana law under which they could be charged. In the beating case, he said, four of the defendants were of adult age under Louisiana law and the only juvenile charged as an adult, Mychal Bell, had a prior criminal record.

"It is not and never has been about race," Walters said. "It is about finding justice for an innocent victim and holding people accountable for their actions."


also, I find it sad that yahoo has a news alert system to "alert you when al sharpton is in a story"
xiv
   xiv on Sep 20 '07 at 2:50pm
can someone sum this up in a small paragraph?
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Sep 20 '07 at 2:53pm
adults got mad cos some kids hung nooses in trees like the wild west cos they're high school football team was playing another team called the cowboys. the adults then called for the punishment of those involved with the nooses as they have racist implications. at school, 6 kids beat up an already unconscious kid. now people are saying the 6 accused people are being unfairly and unjustifyably punished. they are the jena 6.

/end title montage
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Sep 20 '07 at 2:53pm
*6 black kids beat up one unconcious white kid
Ste7en
   Ste7en on Sep 20 '07 at 2:55pm
you forgot a long time ago in a galaxy far far away....
xiv
   xiv on Sep 20 '07 at 2:58pm
so this is just another case where the "black card" is being pulled?
FRICKINAWESOME
FRICKINAWESOME on Sep 20 '07 at 3:27pm
So, since this is the first time i've heard ANY of the above story told inthe way it was...do we know if above story is at all trust-worthy or packed weith bullshit?

Because i want to believe that race was less of an issue, but seriously, the above paragraphs paint this area of america as nearly a haven, away from the evils of racism where it had absolutely NOTHING to do with race.

And by the way, pretty much any black person i've talked to think Sharpton and Jackson are a bunch of money-hungry opportunists too.

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