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squatterjohn
squatterjohn aka I'm supposed to care but I never make you scream is a boy, has been a member since July 13, 2007, has scored 1,432 submissions, giving an average score of 2.67, helping 106 designs get printed.
SOME TEMPORARY STUFF: I'm getting tired of seeing all the spam when scoring. Danielle and Hector have made blogs about it recently. It would be great if we could create a blog that not only explains about spamming but gives some positive tips to help noobs promote their stuff. "Neat! Check out mine!" Critique is mostly doing its job but more and more lately people are refusing to listen and stop. So I'm trying to make this blog that not only tells people not to spam, but also gives them some tips how to promote their stuff properly and I'd like you all to help out.

Blog Begins here:

If you are new to Threadless, or to the blogs, hi and welcome.

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We really are happy to see you here and love new talent. We look forward to seeing your work in the future.

This blog will help you out by discussing the best ways to promote your design here and elsewhere on the internet.

First things first,

A Note About Spamming

You have probably been directed to this blog because someone has accused you of "spamming."

You are probably familiar with seeing designer's link to their active Critiques while commenting on other Critiques in the Critique forum and this may have led you to believe that this is OK on active Design submissions, but it is not.

It is a sad fact that there are not many active users on the Critique forum and this practice has become necessary to get Critiques attention. But, there are literally hundreds or even thousands more users actively scoring designs. What's more, Threadless ensures that your design is exposed to all these voters, as every time someone votes on a design, they are automatically redirected to another design.

So while promoting your Critique on other Critiques in exchange for constructive and useful advice is considered appropriate, any kind of promotion on a Design up for scoring is considered to be incredibly rude and inconsiderate. In short, it's spam.

This is because a designer and the Threadless judges must know that all the comments on their design are made honestly. If there is an ulterior motive for making the comment, the comment as a whole cannot be trusted.

While I'm sure you only left your link after making a genuine, sincere comment, if we encourage people to leave links it ultimately encourages people to leave generic comments that they copy and paste. I'm sure you've seen comments on Critiques that are very unhelpful and just say "Cool! Check out mine!" and that this has been very frustrating for you.

Comments on a design should be reserved for that design, not your design. It's disrespectful to the design. Comments are valuable. They are a great indicator of a design's success. Spamming cheapens comments.

Lastly, it only works because very few people do it. If everyone did it, there'd be five-hundred comments on each deisgn all vying for attention for their designs. It would be a mess and it wouldn't get your design any attention.

So, how do you get the attention that your design deserves? The next section will hopefully provide you with some ideas.

Use the Tools That Threadless Gives You

When Threadless approved your design, they should have sent you an email with a link to your design's "Share Design" page.

This is an example of a Share Design page.

Firstly, Threadless makes it easy for you to email your friends and let them know about your design. You can enter their addresses into the form manually, or you can import from your gmail or Yahoo address books.

Underneath, on the right hand side, there are buttons that will automatically promote your design on many popular websites.

These websites can basically be divided into two groups. "Social networking" sites and "social bookmarking" sites.

The Social Networking sites on your Share Design Page are Facebook, MySpace and Twitter.

"Social networks" let you keep in touch with your friends.

Although it can sometimes seem the most perplexing, the most simple of the social networking sites is Twitter. All Twitter asks of you is the answer to the question "What are you doing now?" in 140 characters or less. This is called a Tweet and other Twitter users who follow you can read your Tweets. so if what you are doing now is a submission for Threadless, Tweet it.

Add your username to the Threadless Twitterpool so that other Threadless users can follow you. Remember the best way to promote your design is to people who regularly use Threadless.

If the url of your submission is too long to fit on your Tweet, you can use tinyurl to easily create a shorter one that will redirect to your design.

Facebook and MySpace have much more functionality than Twitter to interact more directly with your friends. You can send messages to your firends directly about your sub, or you can mention it on your page itself.

Remember when using Social Networks not to send out promotions for your sub at random as this could also be spam and don't make it the only thing you use them for. The main purpose of Social Networks is to socialise. You know your friends and you know which ones will want to hear from you about your sub so target your messages to those who'll want to hear them. Better yet, make some friends on Threadless, they'll definitely want to hear about it!

The Social Bookmarking sites on your Share Design page are Delicious, Digg and StumbleUpon.

When you find something cool on the internet, instead of using a regular bookmark in your browser which only you can see, sending it to a "social bookmarking" site will let everyone see it, meaning you can share the cool thing you found with users all over the world.

The homepages on these websites look much like those of MSN or Yahoo, directing you to news and entertainment content. But whereas the content on Yahoo or MSN is all generated by those companies, the content on social bookmarking sites is chosen by the readers.

Delicious and StumbleUpon are geared towards suggesting you websites you will like based on your bookmarks and ratings, so the more you use them the more accurate their suggestions will be for you. Using them a lot will also help them suggest your design to people with similar interests to you and you can suggest to your friends websites for them to try.

Digg is more geared towards sharing cool stuff and they have an active community there who will discuss things. If you submit your design there, it will appear in the "Upcoming" section, where people can vote if it's worthy of becoming popular. So if enough people think your design is cool, they will "digg" it and it could end up on the front page where it will be seen by a lot more people.

Post Your Own Blog on the Main Forum

Use the Embed Code found on the left-hand side of your Share Design page or under the scoring buttons on your Submission, to easily place a link to your design in your blog, that looks like this:

PEACOCK - Threadless T-shirts, Nude No More

If you have a couple of subs up at once, you may want to put them together in the one blog. Some people like to start a new blog for each new design while others will keep all their designs in one blog. You can edit the title and the first post in your blog at any time. But please, only one blog per design.

Also, please do not use this embed code to leave off-topic comments on other people's blogs. It's also spamming and you'll look like a tool. However, if (and only if) the topic of the blog calls for you to post your Designs, then go ahead. One such blog is discussed in the next section.

To bring attention to your blog, you may bump it a few times a day. Bumping your blog means making a comment on your blog to bring it to the top of the blogs list.

Ideally, what you want is for other people to bump your blog for you. The best way to do this is to run a "Guess the Score" competition.

In the last few days your design is up, use your promotions blog to ask people to guess the score it will get. This encourages people to view and score your design. When they type their answers and bump the blog, more people will see it. The person who comes closest to guessing the correct score will win.

The prize doesn't have to be huge. People who have won Threadless before may offer a free t-shirt or gift card to the winner, as they may have store credit left over. You might want to add the condition that they will win the prize only if the design prints so that you can use your $500 store credit. Or you could offer your next STPs. Or use your artistic talents and offer to draw a portrait of the winner.

Join the Alumni Wannabe Club

The Alumni Wannabe Club is a blog where it is appropriate to post your own design.

Promote it on your own website

Use the Embed Code on your own website, or your non-Threadless blogs. Plus if you refer people from outside Threadless, you will earn Street Team Points (STPs) if they make a purchase!

Here is a great article from Emptees about using your blog to promote your designs.

Join Emptees

Emptees is a place where the world’s best designers and tee enthusiasts can come together on common ground to show off, talk about, and love tees. It is not another t-shirt competition or store, but a place where you can promote your designs up for voting or sale at any website, or just talk and learn about tees.

Fatheed explains Emptees in this blog and you may also link to any design you have up on Emptees from there.

Emptees is full of resources to help you get started in t-shirt design. They collect articles from experts from all over the net and they're a great read.

You can upload your t-shirt there when you submit it here. This works much like using a blog on Threadless to promote your design. People can see it and be directed to Threadless to vote for it and leave comments if they like it but it has a few extra advantages. By having your tee up on another site besides Threadless, you can get attention for your design from people who browse Emptees regularly but may not browse Threadless regularly. Emptees is also a much more "on topic" forum. A promo blog on Threadless can sometimes get lost amongst all the Threadless blogs on seemingly random topics but the Tees page on Emptees filters all that out and just leaves tees being promoted by people.

There is a simple scoring system on Emptees. People can either "Love" your design or do nothing. If you get a lot of Loves on your design, then it will be featured on the front page. If a tee gets enough love, it will win "Tee of the Day" and be featured at the top of the page. This means extra exposure for your design and more votes.

Use your blog on Threadless to ask for Loves on Emptees to give your design extra exposure there and use your Emptees account to send people to Threadless to vote for it.

Fatheed has also created a button you can use in your blog or on your profile to ask for Emptees love.



Join Flickr

Flickr is a website that lets you upload and share pictures. Post the same picture that you will use for your Submission to Flickr and link it to your Submission's page on Threadless. Your Flickr contacts will see it and come vote for your design. You can also use Flickr to show close-ups and larger images than Threadless allows in your Submission which is pretty valuable if you have a design with a lot of detail. It's easy to add your Flickr to your Threadless profile too. Simply click Edit Your Profile and add your username to the box.

This is all I feel like writing right now but I'd love your comments on stuff I've forgotten to include or things I need to change etc
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Stoma
Stoma on Apr 24 '09 at 11:09am
That's a lot of useful information. Now if only we stick to a new user start page.
squatterjohn
squatterjohn on Apr 24 '09 at 11:14am
Damn, I didn't close a </b> somewhere ...



I would put a link to this any time I saw someone spamming.



Something like "Just a friendly reminder not to leave a link to your design/critique in your comments on other people's here's some more info"
squatterjohn
squatterjohn on Apr 24 '09 at 11:18am
I'm hoping it's not too much info too. Like I'd really like the note about spamming to be more concise. Once they've read that I guess they can choose to read on about other promotional methods if they want.
T-Lou
T-Lou on Apr 25 '09 at 5:07am
That's great info for a noob like me! One of my design subs had a feedback comment from someone that just said "check out mine" and not even a comment for me! I thought it seemed a bit rude at the time...

Thx for the heads up.

gumbolimbo
   gumbolimbo on Apr 25 '09 at 5:23am
*bookmarks*

atzh
atzh on Apr 25 '09 at 5:35am
whoa why didnt someone do this earlier.



and er they email u the share design page when your design goes up for scoring.
Myxxoma
Myxxoma on Apr 25 '09 at 8:48am
This is some good info, thanks for collecting it all here.



I think this is a topic worth discussion and expanding upon, too. On Threadless there's definitely power to a name, and we have our celebrities that probably automatically receive higher scores than if they were a no-namer. So, how can I, too, become a THREADLESS SUPERSTAR?



Then there's the 'Popular' filter in the forum, that, I admit, I'm definitely guilty of using to skip right to the good stuff (also how I found this thread). Does anyone know the details on how a thread is deemed popular? Is it a frequency of posts? Also, has anyone noticed a correlation to designs that are printed and those that are 'popular'?



More areas: user-made contests and challenges, collaborations, non design-related participation the site, and so on.
chelly
chelly on Apr 25 '09 at 9:30am
i think this is a lot of words for simply stating "don't promote your own design on someone else's or yours will fail miserably"



but sometimes people need a lot of words

good job mr squatter
6 days later
Mrcoffeebean
Mrcoffeebean on May 02 '09 at 3:55am
its a long story, i will read it later.

but, please Vote me for my first design Tee: The Grat Idol.

Thanks!!!!
squatterjohn
squatterjohn on May 02 '09 at 4:03am
^That is exactly what you are NOT supposed to do.
dioBrando
dioBrando on May 02 '09 at 4:07am
well then, if you are talking about blogs, this is the best example of the result:



http://www.threadless.com/profile/857522/dioBrando/blog/450216/plz_Comment_my_works_and_TELL_ME_ABOUT_IT



Its reasonable if you want to promote your ideas and subs, but Something may work for you however just not work for everyone. if you say links are mean, then we just keep pushing submissions, but the best solution for new designers is definitely not just a blog.
squatterjohn
squatterjohn on May 02 '09 at 4:51am
Well of course just a blog isn't the best solution. That's why this blog discusses all the other methods to promote your design.
Bramish
   Bramish on May 02 '09 at 5:24am
Re: Emptees. As far as I know you can just upload your own tees there for people to 'Love'. Those with the most Loves get on the front page/tee of the day I believe.
staffell
   staffell on May 02 '09 at 5:26am
hmm, i almost get the feeling that mrcoffeebean was taking the piss
squatterjohn
squatterjohn on May 02 '09 at 9:26am
Thanks, I added the emptees info. Working on getting the info in about Facebook/Twitter/digg/delicious etc.
stubby43
stubby43 on May 02 '09 at 9:39am
Facebook is probably going to become alot more important in the coming months when threadless launches a new version of the site which will have facebook connect. It should make posting designs to facebook alot easier and your contacts will be able to log into threadless using their facebook details.



If you really want to push your voting higher doing it on facebooks going to be the place to do it, on average most people have about 200 friends and if you can capitalise on that it could make a difference.
staffell
   staffell on May 02 '09 at 9:42am
let's hear it for changes to the typetees and critiques sections!!
stubby43
stubby43 on May 03 '09 at 7:00am
p.s I doubt digg is going to be an effective way of marketing your design, you need to get atleast 100 digg's to make the main page and even then people will probably bury it.



I only know of one person successfully uploading a design to digg and that was Olly Moss but his design was taken from his flickr and it was a comedic tee shirt.
Bramish
   Bramish on May 03 '09 at 7:03am
I think if the design's good enough it doesn't need marketing or promoting too much. There are many multi-printed people who just sub the design and let it do its thing.
squatterjohn
squatterjohn on May 03 '09 at 8:01am
OK guys this blog is intended to describe all the means of promoting designs to new people who are unknown and who may be inexperienced and who are resorting to spamming other designs and blogs as a way of getting attention. I'm just describing the tools that Threadless gives you on the Share Design page and one of them is Digg. Digg can help if the design is popular. Putting it there is better than not putting it there and getting absolutely no exposure from it. Moss got 2000 Diggs and 150 000 views of Shoot the baddies on Flickr. It's not as great as Emptees or a simple Threadless blog, which is why I've described those too, but it is one of the options. Telling people that the tools Threadless gives you won't work is only going to encourage more spamming.
ivejustquitsmoking
   ivejustquitsmoking on May 04 '09 at 5:01am
I agree with bramish, but this blog will be very helpful in telling newbies the accustomed proper etiquette (it worked last time I linked it). Great job sj!
squatterjohn
squatterjohn on May 04 '09 at 6:14am
Yeah, honestly I think the best way to get your subs noticed is to consistently submit great work. I don't want people to become discouraged if their first few subs don't get much love and then stop submitting. Because everyone improves.
HAHA.sg
   HAHA.sg on May 04 '09 at 6:16am
wow this blog is sooo helpful(:
brentendo
brentendo on May 04 '09 at 6:18am
I like this blog, I've had a problem with the 'cool, check out mine' critique for ages, because it doesn't help the situation, it just annoys people. I'll definitely be referring people to this blog in the future. Nice idea man!
HaloGirl
HaloGirl on May 04 '09 at 7:08am
What I appreciate most is about your approach is that the tone is helpful, not critical. I think this will go a long way to helping people who are new and don't know better. Unfortunately, nothing can help those who know better but don't care.



One suggestion... Because of the length, you might want to have a shorter section at the top that says something to the effect of "If you only read one thing here, read this."
squatterjohn
squatterjohn on May 04 '09 at 7:28am
lol, yes. I had wanted to write a short note about spamming first but I ended up writing 8 paragraphs. I've never been particulalry concise.
Bobzar77
Bobzar77 on May 05 '09 at 9:25pm
John, thanks for the comment, I did actually stop after a heads up from agrimony. I agree. Twas tacky of me.

xhiro
xhiro on May 05 '09 at 10:23pm
good blog really helpfull.i was thinking how to promote my design and then i saw this link.

thanks man.
Tikimasters
Tikimasters on May 06 '09 at 12:24am
Unfortunately, I highly doubt many bloggers will have gotten through the first paragraph of this well written blog.
4 days later
stubby43
stubby43 on May 10 '09 at 6:15am
Awesome blog mate, you did a really good job.
14 days later
mammalwear
mammalwear on May 24 '09 at 5:52pm
Thnanks, your Alumni wanna be club link is broken...
mammalwear
mammalwear on May 24 '09 at 6:42pm
PS. Thanks for your comment on my design about spamming. I am curious though as to how you could possibly know my design has "already garnered positive attention from Threadless heavyweights". I would hardly call alexmdc saying "cool textures" positive attention, as he is well known for filling his comment lines with $'s and 5's, but perhaps you haven't seen enough yet to know this. Are there any other "Threadless heavyweights" that have just not been printed yet? Do you have some insider knowledge?

Cheers.
T-Lou
T-Lou on May 24 '09 at 8:28pm
Re spamming Critiques: What about starting a "Critique Club" kind of like Shoguns or OSC - then you can promote your crits on there and get good feedback from members ( and we could make a really cool membership card too). It' hard enough to get feedback on your crits before you sub them into oblivion - without bumping them all the time or adding yet another stream of blogs?

and it even might help cut down on the spamming in subs too.
HaloGirl
HaloGirl on May 24 '09 at 10:11pm
T-Lou, great idea on starting a Critique Club!
T-Lou
T-Lou on May 25 '09 at 6:36am
Hey SJ what do you think?
Gingivitism
Gingivitism on May 25 '09 at 6:45am
T-Lou you're onto something really good there...



If you blog it, they will come.



Start it up sister :)
squatterjohn
squatterjohn on May 25 '09 at 6:47am
Critique Club is a great idea. It also seems that the Alumni Wannabe Club is dead, the blog is gone now. So having a place where people can post either their Critiques and also a different place to post designs would really help.

Gingivitism
Gingivitism on May 25 '09 at 6:53am
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Gingivitism
Gingivitism on May 25 '09 at 6:54am
as long as it's actually a useful forum to help critiques out, not just exchange pleasant 'cool design - check mine out' comments with hundreds of other lemmings :)
T-Lou
T-Lou on May 25 '09 at 6:56am
OK guys! I'll see what I can do.

This could be the dawn of a new era!

Or Blog really...

Gingivitism
Gingivitism on May 25 '09 at 6:58am
can i be critique club member #2 please? :)
T-Lou
T-Lou on May 25 '09 at 6:58am
Maybe it should say No Lemmings Allowed or 100% Lemming Free!
T-Lou
T-Lou on May 25 '09 at 6:59am
Cool.. Will start it up now and work on card.
Gingivitism
Gingivitism on May 25 '09 at 7:00am
sweet as a moose :)
[+duracell-]
[+duracell-] on May 25 '09 at 7:38am
It seems to me like the only way to crack down on the riff-raff is trough more moderation/deletion of posts. But that does not seem to be what threadless is all about. I have a really hard time believing that there are so many clueless people that think its ok to promote their design on someone elses page. I think they know full well that its rude, they just don't care. They want the money.

So what I propose is that all the decent people make an effort to tell them how rude it is on the page they promote. If they are just linking to a critique, then wait till its subbed and tell them again. I would imagine they would get the hint pretty fast. As for preventing it from ever happening in the first place...i guess a warning about possible account deletion should be given on the submit instructions page.
HaloGirl
HaloGirl on May 25 '09 at 8:24am
Newbies have no way of knowing it isn't polite to post links to their subs and/or critiques , so I think kindly referring these people to this blog is great. Now, once someone's been around the block here and been given the kindly admonishment and still spams... I'm not sure there's anything anyone can do. As annoying as it is, I'm not sure how Threadless could police it, though it would be helpful if Threadless offered some kind of etiquette rules when people sign up. Unfortunately, I feel there is a lot of valuable information Threadless doesn't make readily available.
MeiSomething
MeiSomething on May 25 '09 at 8:39am
Very useful reference material, Squatterjohn!

Thanks.
Nigil
Nigil on May 25 '09 at 8:44am
YAY!
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barbs1978
barbs1978 on May 30 '09 at 8:35pm
OK. I am a newbie and I came here because I was looking for some etiquette rules.

Well, I found it. But still with doubts.

It is OK to comment critique design and, ater, put a link to your design? I was not doing it and nobody entered mine desegne to comment. Afeter some days I started to put a link after my comment and it worked very well.

I confess that sometimes I dont have anything useful to say and I just make a spam, but I thought that was ok, because I saw everyone doing it.



Sorry about the bad english.
[+duracell-]
[+duracell-] on May 30 '09 at 9:21pm
^^no its not ok, its not your page...that person now has to live with your link spam in their portfolio forever

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lemonalle on Jan 21 '08 at 8:59am
squatterjohn is always so right