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slicedbread8
slicedbread8 aka T. Roberson is 29.27 years old, has been a member since June 25, 2007, has scored 508 submissions, giving an average score of 1.65, helping 5 designs get printed.
A few nights Simon Cowel posted this on the blogs:
He did it, not because he really believes women are bad artists
compared to men; but to provoke a gender issue debate.
Because of hostile reactions, (from people like me who took it seriously),
he took it down pretty quickly.
I'm putting it up to spawn a discussion. (be nice)

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Blog title: Men seem to be better artists
(Posted by Simon Cowel)
I don't mean to be rude but, this is my theory. Men seem to be better artists than women. There are exceptions, obviously. But I'd say overall, men tend to have an advantage in this field.
Now, I'm sure you'll all start pointing out examples, but hear me out. In general, it's true. I think this may have something to do with the fact that men are just more visual than women. Women in turn seem to have the advantage in the emotions department.

Women have the advantage in expressing their emotions, and I think that may be the reason more women have won American Idol than men have. They can really get the audience to connect with them and feel what they are feeling when they sing.
This may explain why men seem to have an advantage making designs that can convey a message visually without the use of text. You'll notice that a majority of winning artists are men. I only bring this up because I'm curious to hear other's thoughts on this topic.
I am not taking a shot at women here at all. Infact a couple of artists that have large followings here are women. Julia Sonmi Heglund and Priscilla Wilson come to mind. Do you think they have more emotion in their work than most? In Priscilla's case, I think she does. Ms. Heglund is just extremely talented and on a different plane than most. Just wanted to start a discussion on this topic. Gender differences fascinate me.

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In response: Slicedbread8 wrote something too hostile to repeat, but,
it was something about Simon being an idiot for judging women artists
based on his observations on a male dominated microcosm of low art Tshirt site.
(slicedbread8 is driven by emotion, has insomnia, an impulse control problem,
and pms, so forgive her.)

A bunch of other people started writing negitive comments too, calling Simon a coward
hidiing behind a false name etc....

Then...

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Simon wrote: I'm going to delete this blog soon. :)
I just wanted a discussion. Because I do think it's quite sad that Threadless is highly dominated by males.

slicedbread, I think you nailed it on that one. You got me to take this silly blog down. Not that I dislike *覧覧覧*, but he kind of sums up reasons that Threadless kind of makes me sick sometimes. and The weird Threadless celebrity status and priority it seems his subs get make me scratch my head sometimes. He's technically sound, and I understand why Threadless prints him. People do treat him like a god, and sometimes I even think they would buy anything that said *________* at the top of the page.

Who knows, maybe that weird celebrity status people seem to get here on Threadless even explains why one would make alternate accounts.
(thats the end of what Simon wrote)


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*I took the name out to be nice* Don't want to start a blog about *覧覧覧*
But thought gender issues, the difference between men and women in art,
and the question of why threadless is so dominated by men, might be interesting to
start a discussion on. (or maybe I just like stirring up shit, i don't know).
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Malcolm Man
Malcolm Man on Jul 14 '07 at 1:58am
I can't possibly be expected to read that.
slicedbread8
slicedbread8 on Jul 14 '07 at 2:00am
maybe thats the difference between men and women.
slicedbread8
slicedbread8 on Jul 14 '07 at 2:01am
You can read that in 5 minutes.
LornaGertrude
LornaGertrude on Jul 14 '07 at 2:02am
well i dont know if this is even close to true but in my school the design class (computer design etc) is dominated by men, however, the painting, printmaking and sculpture classes are dominated by women and the photography is about equal. prehaps men are just more designers and women are more the print/paint/sculpt sort of thing.



It would be interesting to see just how many male designers vs female designers submit things on Threadless.
hanzabean
hanzabean on Jul 14 '07 at 2:02am
I like zombies.

I'm not at all a girly-girl. I don't feel about talking about the underlying issue/what you're talking about.



'cuz I'z teh lazy at 2 am.
LornaGertrude
LornaGertrude on Jul 14 '07 at 2:02am
lol slicedbread.
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Jul 14 '07 at 2:04am
glennz iz god
Malcolm Man
Malcolm Man on Jul 14 '07 at 2:08am
I am not willing to dedicate 5 min to this.
mj00
   mj00 on Jul 14 '07 at 2:11am
Part of the issue is probably that a lot of "female-oriented" designs are stuff that only girls will wear (due to color and style choices). I don't know if it's an insecurity thing or a taste issue that a lot of men don't tend to like to wear things that they perceive as female. Meanwhile, most women (who like t-shirts, anyway) will wear both male and female aimed designs.



If more men are designing male oriented designs than females are, that would naturally lead to the gender disparity we see in who gets printed. (A possible way to solve that is to have a separate female shirt competition- I believe La Fraise does that- but I'm not sure that would go over well here.)
LornaGertrude
LornaGertrude on Jul 14 '07 at 2:15am
mjoo are you saying that the female designers make girly shirts or that just the fact that the design is made by a female puts the men off?
mj00
   mj00 on Jul 14 '07 at 2:19am
I'm saying that female designers are more likely to make designs that appeal to women. (Both in style and in theme, probably)
LornaGertrude
LornaGertrude on Jul 14 '07 at 2:21am
what do you mean designs that appeal to women? what sort of specifics determine whether it appeals to women? are we all exactly the same in taste or style?
LornaGertrude
LornaGertrude on Jul 14 '07 at 2:22am
im not angry. im just saying that its quite a large group of human beings to shove into one design group.
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Jul 14 '07 at 2:23am
y'know, stuff about dolls, hair do's and purses.
LornaGertrude
LornaGertrude on Jul 14 '07 at 2:23am
shirtflirt! imana cut choo!
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Jul 14 '07 at 2:29am
oh i mean, being independent, strong, confident AND sexy
hanzabean
hanzabean on Jul 14 '07 at 2:30am
and hitting people with purses

and mace

and sex toys
jean_warhol
   jean_warhol on Jul 14 '07 at 2:41am
I try to aim my design toward both men and women. Also I paint too, almost more than graphic designing....



BTW

Valor (Priscilla) in my opinion is one of the most creative artists on here.
mj00
   mj00 on Jul 14 '07 at 2:44am
LornaGertrude, I think you're making this more specific than I'd like. In general, when speaking of large populations, females will statistically have some similarities. Ditto for males.



My premise, whether correct or incorrect, is that some shirts strike voters as being female in nature. This could be due to color choice (pinks, for instance), drawing style (I don't know, maybe curves and subtle lines rather than bolder shapes?), subject matter (possibly focusing on emotion rather than puns or parodies) or any number of things that an average viewer might think of as girl-ish.



I suspect that the shirts that voters see as girlish are more likely to be designed by, well, girls. Some men are less likely to score them highly because they are uncomfortable wearing something with what they perceive as feminine elements. Thus, some female designers will score lower than their male counterparts.
jean_warhol
   jean_warhol on Jul 14 '07 at 2:47am
How about no one can submit anything better than this...



CatPiSs FacE - Threadless, Best T-shirts Ever
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Jul 14 '07 at 2:48am
catpiss face is a threadless legend
jean_warhol
   jean_warhol on Jul 14 '07 at 2:49am
it should be printed out of respect
slicedbread8
slicedbread8 on Jul 14 '07 at 2:55am
great PISstake!- there is another blog on low scoring gems- if its not in their it should be.
maddingo
maddingo on Jul 14 '07 at 3:02am
they should print it just to see if anyone would buy it... it would probably sell better than that "good luck"
mj00
   mj00 on Jul 14 '07 at 3:03am
I think anything threadless prints will sell out, honestly. Blank, damaged shirts that smelled funny even.
maddingo
maddingo on Jul 14 '07 at 3:06am
maybe but they printed that "good luck" thing how long ago (I honestly don't remember?



and there are still AMPLE quantities remaining.
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Jul 14 '07 at 3:07am
and ste7en's dollar bill shirt
mj00
   mj00 on Jul 14 '07 at 3:14am
Hmmm, I actually would wear both (though on different colors). Could they be victims of bad shirt colors? I'd never wear yellow, natural or white.
jenraskopf
jenraskopf on Jul 14 '07 at 3:24am
Everyone likes pizza.

It's the tie that binds.
maddingo
maddingo on Jul 14 '07 at 3:24am
good luck is a victim of being HIDIOUS





Ste7ens shirt may well be victim of bad shirt color



http://www.threadless.com/product/585/Made_of_Money



however it also brings up a good point here... it is basically sold out for dudes and hardly moved for chicks..as is the case often the dues shirts sell faster and more of them total



as such given the fundamentals of capitalism it makes perfect sense that more dude centric desgins have been printed.



1. design shirts for dudes

2. print shirts for dues

3. PROFITS



i guess technically to be a proper south park ref step two should be ?????







maddingo
maddingo on Jul 14 '07 at 3:25am
oh and I am a dude



that likes both Guns and Kittens..btw



and pizza is pretty nice as well.
deboraborialis
deboraborialis on Jul 14 '07 at 3:33am
Is it due to the fact this this is still a male oriented site in general? The majority of people who log on and buy things are guys in their 20's. Since women are in the minority on here, it makes sense there are not as many submitting. Just a thought, since the people who do submit and get printed are excellent, no matter if they have ovaries or not.
fuaijie
fuaijie on Jul 14 '07 at 3:39am
lol, i just watched that episode last night :)



what is the "good luck" design. the money design is pretty hidious to me..... so i guess i'm girly
maddingo
maddingo on Jul 14 '07 at 3:45am
good luck







I believe the title to mean GOOD LUCK SELLING THIS SUCKERS =p
maddingo
maddingo on Jul 14 '07 at 3:47am
d3d
   d3d on Jul 14 '07 at 4:11am
everybody likes shoes and masturbating
deboraborialis
deboraborialis on Jul 14 '07 at 4:15am
But not masturbating on shoes. That gets right on my tits.
LornaGertrude
LornaGertrude on Jul 14 '07 at 4:39am
good luck is really just no.



another one in the 'sold out for boys and not touched by girls' is the sad snowmen one. is that a boy shirt?



i really like that shirt



jasper7777
jasper7777 on Jul 14 '07 at 4:57am
since the people who do submit and get printed are excellent



I think some are excellent but a lot are really poor, and it looks to me like they chose them based on whether they would have broad audience appeal. And since the audience is mostly young and male- they pick a lot that will appeal to them. But sometimes they go out on a limb and pick something risky, original, unique,

because of what mjoo said,



I think anything threadless prints will sell out, honestly. Blank, damaged shirts that smelled funny even.
Alexandra Marie
Alexandra Marie on Jul 14 '07 at 7:56am
It's interesting to think that the majority of the extremely notable artists - the ones you think of first when listing the great painters, sculptors etc - are male.



Dali, Michaelangelo, Van Gogh, Andy Warhol, Picasso, Cezanne, Gauguin, Degas, Goya, Monet... and a female never really comes to mind.



It is interesting also to observe that though the female doesn't paint the work, that she has incredible influence still over the art, and is often the subject of the work. For example, Dali's wife Gala was said by Dali himself to be his highest inspiration - he often even signed his paintings with her name and featured her likeness within many of his works. Even here, many of the most successful shirts feature women - either in face or shadow, it is seen over and over again. A womanly presence in the art world is undeniable - it just comes in different forms.



This is a great article on this topic as well, just a bit lengthy:

Nochlin: Why No Great Women Artists?
fuaijie
fuaijie on Jul 14 '07 at 10:28am
ohhhhh, that one. yeah its like somene threw up one a shirt... blah
slicedbread8
slicedbread8 on Jul 14 '07 at 5:23pm
Alexandra, thanks, I'm going to look at article link. Have you ever seen the movie Camille Claudette....? She was a brilliant sculpture and Rodin was her mentor and lover. She pretty much gets destroyed in the movie because she's a women who trys to enter the realm of art.



Anyway, I think that movie sums up, at least historically why women didn't become successful artists during their time. They were shunned and called witches.



(Also, have to add- the idea for the movie was the brain child of the absolutely stunning/beautiful Isabelle Adjani, she produced the movie and starred in it as Camille Claudel, AND SHE WAS ONLY 27 years old! Its a visually stunning movie as well.



If you look it up on the rotten tomatoes website it get a 100% rating. I think everyone should see this movie.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/camille_claudel/
Polyester Jones
Polyester Jones on Jul 14 '07 at 5:26pm
Boys like: guns.

Girls like: kittens.

THEY BOTH LIKE: drugs.
slicedbread8
slicedbread8 on Jul 14 '07 at 5:35pm
I was going to say

They both like: sex and icecream
Polyester Jones
Polyester Jones on Jul 14 '07 at 5:38pm
I don't like ice cream. And there's monks and nuns and celibates etc. But everyone likes drugs.
cassiepaige
cassiepaige on Jul 14 '07 at 5:41pm
i dont like kittens or guns.



i do like cats though.

and i am pretty good with a bow and arrow.



I also like pizza.

slicedbread8
slicedbread8 on Jul 14 '07 at 5:41pm
I don't believe you-- everyone likes icecream! And monks and nuns may have never tried it. LOL
Polyester Jones
Polyester Jones on Jul 14 '07 at 5:43pm
No, today I don't like ice cream. And the last time I was in the vicinity of a kitten, it sliced my nose open.
cassiepaige
cassiepaige on Jul 14 '07 at 5:47pm
I am not a fan of icecream either, unless it has lots of stuff in it. Like cookie dough, reese cups, chocolate, small kittens, nuts...
slicedbread8
slicedbread8 on Jul 14 '07 at 6:57pm
I just had to put this image up-- Its the film I was talking about

8 posts up. I love that photo. The photo is of Isabelle Adjani-

she masterminded, starred in, and produced the film and she was only 27!!!




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