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jasper7777 aka tommy has been a member since June 15, 2007, has scored 2800 submissions, giving an average score of 1.75.

Jul 12 '07 by jasper7777

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Christians will wear it, atheists won't?

I posted a design with Jesus and Darwin on it.
What's interesting it me is—Christians will wear it, Atheists won't?
I was expecting it to be the other way around. Hmmmmm
What does it mean? It was worth posting just to get the comments.

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hanzabean on Jul 12 '07 at 3:59am

Where are you getting this info? I gave it a 3 and I'm not religiously affiliated...

Malcolm Man on Jul 12 '07 at 4:01am

Yeah, it's impossible to make blanket statements about either group.

I know Christians that would and Christians that wouldn't. Likwise, I know athiests that would and athiests that wouldn't.

Alexandra Marie on Jul 12 '07 at 4:14am

I gave it a 3 as well. And I'm an atheist. I just found the styling a bit off-putting, not the message.

jasper7777 on Jul 12 '07 at 4:15am

Didn't mean to make a blanket statement. I've been on a lot of science forums- reading about evolution. If you go to threads about Darwin-- they get totally bombarded with religious people spewing venom and hate. And saying things like Darwin is like Hitlar. So I was afraid that was going to happen when I posted my sub.

MeLa de Gypsie on Jul 12 '07 at 4:19am

I try to stay away from religious discussions the best I can... sigh...

but it's a noble effort... and at least you got some comments.

tobasco on Jul 12 '07 at 4:24am

I gave it a 3 (lots of threes out there). I kinda like the playfulness of this one. I think my 3 came more from the style than anything else, and I try to give honest score no matter where my beliefes lie.

That being said there are some shirts where it goes to far one way or the other and I can't give anymore than a 1/2.

13strong on Jul 12 '07 at 4:36am

On Threadless, people tend to be more "anti" Jesus designs than they are "anti" evolution/science.

I like the idea - but I'm not so keen on the execution, and I'm not sure the stylised artwork is the kind of thing that would do well on Threadless - people tend to prefer their designs bright and bold or expansive and detailed.

Thanks though - you reminded me of a Darwin-based idea I wanted to do.

MeLa de Gypsie on Jul 12 '07 at 4:51am

I think people are "anti" Christianity designs everywhere, not only on threadless...

unless of course they have a hint of some form of blasphemy... like "Jesus is my Homeboy" or "Mary is my Homegirl".. or "JC Was a Streaker"... those seems to sell pretty well...

Vindemiatrix on Jul 12 '07 at 4:53am

Well, if you're not a Christian, why would you want to wear something promoting Christianity? (To MeLa, not jasper)

Bramish on Jul 12 '07 at 4:58am

I'm not a horse killer but I wear My Little Pony.

Noobits on Jul 12 '07 at 5:13am

Mela has stated she is not interested in religious discourse or designs, where did you get the idea that she wanted to wear a promotion to cristianity?

Noobits on Jul 12 '07 at 5:13am

*christianity*

jasper7777 on Jul 12 '07 at 5:25am

I read somewhere that since the Bush election more aetheists are angry and coming out and voicing there opinion than ever--
an example would be The Blasphemy Challenge on youtube
where you get a free video if you deny the existance of God.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7QVbJnSPQE
underlined

MeLa de Gypsie on Jul 12 '07 at 5:28am

hahaha Stu

I don't believe in the tooth fairy when I was a kid but I still put my fallen teeth under my pillow...

$$cha-ching$$

13strong on Jul 12 '07 at 5:33am

I would take the Blasphemy Challenge. I mean, it's not really a challenge, is it?

The real challenge would be getting religious people to deny the existence of God...

jasper7777 on Jul 12 '07 at 5:35am

I love the blasphemy challenge-- have you seen it-- its funnny

The films of people doing the challenge are great.

jasper7777 on Jul 12 '07 at 5:35am

plus you get a video

MeLa de Gypsie on Jul 12 '07 at 5:40am

it's hilarious... and scary... at the same time...

13strong on Jul 12 '07 at 5:41am

Scary?

Vindemiatrix on Jul 12 '07 at 5:43am

Noobits, that's not what I said.

MeLa said: "I think people are "anti" Christianity designs everywhere, not only on threadless... unless of course they have a hint of some form of blasphemy... "

My reply was asking why someone would want to wear a pro-Christian design (ie, no hint of blasphemy) if that person was not a Christian themselves. I used the word 'you' in the general, plural sense because it's more informal than 'one'.

Noobits on Jul 12 '07 at 5:50am

yes it was what you said and I dont follow your logic. re read perhaps what Mela said, sorry Vinde, but I think you may have missed her point

jasper7777 on Jul 12 '07 at 5:50am

Vinde miatrix-- I think the shirt could be viewed a number of ways--- It could be viewed as anti-christian- because the pro-christian bunny gets killed.

Vindemiatrix on Jul 12 '07 at 5:53am

Would you like to explain it to me, then?

And yep, jasper, I got that.

Noobits on Jul 12 '07 at 5:59am

Not particularly, if you dont get it now... well...... =)

13strong on Jul 12 '07 at 6:05am

Vinde - I think the confusion here is that Mela was just making a statement of face. Religious designs are unpopular everywhere. They are only ever popular if they feature some "blasphemous" element. She wasn't making a comment on whether or not there should be more religious designs, or whether atheists should wear them.

Just the statement of fact!

Vindemiatrix on Jul 12 '07 at 6:09am

That's stunningly unhelpful. You'll take the effort to admonish me and tell me I'm wrong, but not to tell me why I'm wrong?

Mela stated that irreverent/blasphemous shirts sell better than pro-Christian ones. I suggested that this would be because non-Christians wouldn't want to wear pro-Christian shirts (and by implication, irreverent shirts have a wider appeal, as Christians are not the majority and some of them would be happy to wear irreverent shirts about their religion). I don't see where I'm missing something.

Vindemiatrix on Jul 12 '07 at 6:10am

13strong, I know, and I was suggesting a reason for this - perhaps I should have made what I was saying clearer rather than using rhetoric.

tobasco on Jul 12 '07 at 6:15am

Woot! Good discussion. Now lets get drunk and beat up some priests!

13strong on Jul 12 '07 at 6:17am

Vinde - I think it just sounded a bit aggressive/confrontational, when Mela was just stating fact, rather than positing a view on the situation.

But I do find it interesting that non-religious people are SO averse to wearing anything with religious iconography on it, unless it's taking the piss. Even if it's a beautiful image. I mean, religion has inspired a massive proportion of the world's most beautiful or celebrated art, but non-religious people immediately balk at what it represents, rather than accepting the religious aspects of it and looking beyond them.

(Just for the record, I'm agnostic/atheist).

Vindemiatrix on Jul 12 '07 at 6:23am

I didn't mean it to be, at all. That's the problem with the internet - no inflections.

I think churches are beautiful and I adore things like illuminated manuscripts. I have a notebook with a cover made to look like a page from the book of Kells, and I don't think I'd object to religious art in my house, but I probably wouldn't wear something religious on a t-shirt no matter how beautiful it was because on a shirt it would seem more like a statement of belief than just "ooh, a pretty picture".

tobasco on Jul 12 '07 at 6:23am

P.s Blasphemy challenge is kinda funny. I don't think I'd ever put that much effort into denying God (I like to keep my options open anyhow) there must be a responce to it somewhere, like a "I believe in God" challenge.

jasper7777 on Jul 12 '07 at 6:23am

I'm an atheist and one of my favorite things is my wrestwatch with a classic beautiful painting with Jesus on it.
Don't like things with christian bashing on it though-

jasper7777 on Jul 12 '07 at 6:28am

I also want a plastic jesus with a bobbing head to put in my car-
I'm going to ebay know to see if I can find one.

deboraborialis on Jul 12 '07 at 6:35am

I am an athiest, but I appreciate the art and architecture that goes along with religion. One of my favourite places in the world...

Italian Chapel, Orkney.

Painted by Italian POWs.

Noobits on Jul 12 '07 at 7:08am

I adore religious art too. I have some silver pendants based on the book of Kells. Russian icons are also a fave

13strong on Jul 12 '07 at 7:23am

Have to say, one of my favourite places in the world is the Pantheon in Paris - a former church that was reclaimed during the revolution as a kind of church to humanism and secularism. Voltaire and Rousseau are buried there, and Foucault's Pendulum is kept there too (it demonstrates the rotation of the planet) - it's just beautiful.

13strong on Jul 12 '07 at 7:29am

I always think it's a shame that there aren't more beautiful public spaces devoted to humanism or a secular sense of community. Even the Pantheon was built as a church, and it seems that it takes the kind of passion, obsession and fervour that only comes with religious belief to build something so beautiful and awe inspiring.

I mean, I'm aware that religious belief wasn't the only reason for churches/cathedrals etc being built (politics, social standing are important factors as well), and I guess museums and art galleries could be seen as serving the same function but in a secular way.

Not the same though...

Vindemiatrix on Jul 12 '07 at 7:54am

I really agree with you there, 13strong.

deboraborialis on Jul 12 '07 at 8:01am

The whole idea of humanism though means it does need anything built to honour it (Doing good and living well in the here and now, and leaving the world better for those who come after). I suppose public libraries would be the closest thing I can think of when it comes to this sort of thing.

deboraborialis on Jul 12 '07 at 8:02am

I suppose it's really function rather than form, is what I'm trying to say. There are some stunning public buildings and libraries though.

13strong on Jul 12 '07 at 8:07am

Yeah, you're right.

But I've always found cathedrals and such so utterly awesome (in the proper sense), and they do exude a certain calm, meditative sense of tranquility and safety. It's not a feeling you get so much in museums and libraries, which have definite, alternative functions.

It's a shame - the pantheon acheived that feeling for me, but like I said, it seems to be extremely rare that people build a beautiful space for people just to... be.

icebar on Jul 12 '07 at 8:10am

i would hasten to say atheists don't want to go around parading what they believe on their shirt; christains do.
because there's a cute little depiction of something negative occurring on that side, showing that atheism/darwinism is not a good thing.

13strong on Jul 12 '07 at 8:15am

I don't think the shirt portrays atheism/darwinism (these are different concepts, too, btw) as "not a good thing".

Thing is, atheism and Darwinism are not particularly concerned with being "good" - just with being true. So the scene depicting the survival of the fittest is not about bad or good, it's just nature.

It's just occurred to me that the bird and worm image doesn't really depict "Survival of the Fittest", does it? I'm not an expert, but doesn't SotF refer to survivalwithin a species - as in, the strongest lions survive; the strongest birds survive etc. ?

icebar on Jul 12 '07 at 8:16am

i don't wanna wear that shirt, that's all i know... sorry jasper

icebar on Jul 12 '07 at 8:17am

oh i didn't know the two designs were on opposite sides of the shirt.
now it seems to me that this shirt is for someone deciding what they believe in... and who wants to show that in public..?

Tonteau on Jul 12 '07 at 8:17am

There are loads of atheist shirts about, icebar.

deboraborialis on Jul 12 '07 at 8:18am

It should realy be survival of the aptest (?) rather than fittest.

icebar on Jul 12 '07 at 8:19am

right.. i knew that.
i don't really know what i'm saying; i just woke up.
except those shirts don't mention "meek shall inherit the earth" and stuff. why would they?

13strong on Jul 12 '07 at 8:22am

Deb - I think it means "fit" as in "fit or purpose", maybe?

I dunno.

icebar - you could equally see this design as mocking the idea of "the meek shall inherit...". The bird is all happy in that belief, and then BAM! it gets eaten, because all the meek stuff is pretty and all, but don't really stop you getting eaten...

icebar on Jul 12 '07 at 8:22am

also she asked a question about why atheists are less likely to wear it and why christians were. to me, the clear reason is that it is not an atheist shirt, because it does not support that side in any way.
it's a negative picture and the meek inheriting the earth seems much more appealing to me, at least.
that is my answer. it's not an atheist-supporting shirt, so they would not wear it.

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