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bananza aka Hannah is a 17.06 year old girl, has been a member since June 8, 2007, has scored 873 submissions, giving an average score of 2.31.
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  Sep 11 '07 by bananza        54 Comments        Watch this      Share:  Share on facebook    Share on delicious    Share on digg    Share on MySpace    Tweet this    Stumble this    Share this on kirtsy   
My English teacher seems to believe that memorizing a bunch of random poems will help me sometime later in life, so basically I've got to know these on Friday and be able to recite them without messing up. If I don't, I'll get a shitto grade.

The world is charged with the grandeur of god
it will flame out, like shining from shook foil
it gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil
crushed. "Why do men then now not reck his rod?"
generations have trod, have trod, have trod
and all is smeared with trade, bleared, smeared with toil
and wears man's smudge and shares man's smell, the soil
is bare now, nor can foot feel being shod
but after all this, nature is never spent
there lives the dearest freshness deep within
and though the lights of the black west went
oh, morning at the brown brink eastward springs
because the holy ghost over the bent world broods
with warm breast and with ah! bright wings

&

When I have fears that I may cease to be
Before my pen has gleaned my teeming brain
Before high-piled books in charactery
Hold like rich garners the full ripened grain
When I behold upon the night's starred face
Huge cloudy symbols of a high romance,
And think that I may never live to trace
Their shadows, with the magic hang of chance
And when I feel, fair creature of an hour,
That I shall never look upon thee more,
Never have relish in the faery power
Of unreflecting love; - then on the shore
Of the wide world I stand alone, and think
Till love and fame to nothingness do sink

&

The World is too much with us; late and soon
Getting and spending, we lay waste our powers;
Little we see in Nature that is ours;
We have given our hearts away, a sordid boon!
This sea that bares her bosom to the moon;
The winds that will be howling at all hours,
And are up-gathered now like sleeping flowers;
For this, for everything, we are out of tune;
It moves us not- Great God! I'd rather be
A Pagan suckled in a creed outworn;
So might I, standing on this pleasant lea,
Have glimpses that would make me less forlorn;
Have sight of Proteus rising from the sea;
Or hear old Triton blow his wreathed horn


gahhhh
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Jackanapes mk.II
Jackanapes mk.II on Sep 11 '07 at 10:06am
Hopkins, Keats, and Longfellow (?). What are you bitching about, you philistine?
bananza
bananza on Sep 11 '07 at 10:08am
Wordsworth.

And I just suck at memorization, bleh.
Jackanapes mk.II
Jackanapes mk.II on Sep 11 '07 at 10:09am
Yeah, that's sorta lame. But at least you got some good poems to memorize.

Fuck, do I hate Barbara Kingsolver.
Torakamikaze
   Torakamikaze on Sep 11 '07 at 10:10am
this might help
Stevethegreat
Stevethegreat on Sep 11 '07 at 10:11am
memorization is silly unless you're an actor.
bananza
bananza on Sep 11 '07 at 10:12am
my Chemistry teacher referred to memorization yesterday as "Fucking crazy".

I do believe I'm with him on that one.
thammaknot
thammaknot on Sep 11 '07 at 10:13am
Yeah...we all have to go through this at some point in our lives.
lemonalle
lemonalle on Sep 11 '07 at 10:14am
I wish I had more poetry memorized.
Jackanapes mk.II
Jackanapes mk.II on Sep 11 '07 at 10:14am
I used to be against memorization. But sometimes it can be handy; and sometimes it makes sense.
sagral
sagral on Sep 11 '07 at 10:15am
what was this thread about?
Stevethegreat
Stevethegreat on Sep 11 '07 at 10:16am
I prefer to just forget things.
Stevethegreat
Stevethegreat on Sep 11 '07 at 10:16am
I'm quite good at it.
bananza
bananza on Sep 11 '07 at 10:18am
It doesn't help that my teacher stutters.
I have no clue what the hell she's saying

Stuttering + Irish Accent isn't the best combination.
Jackanapes mk.II
Jackanapes mk.II on Sep 11 '07 at 10:19am
Let's see . . . I have some parts of poetry memorized.

Like the beginning of "The Dry Salvages":

I do not know much about gods,
but I think the river is s a strong brown god. . .

Dang. I thought I knew more.

How about "The Haw Lantern":

The wintry haw is burning out of season,
Crab of the thorn, a small light for small people,
Wanting no more from them
But that they keep the wick of self-respect from dying out,
Not having to blind them with illumination.

But sometimes when your breath plumes in the frost
It takes the roaming shape of Diogenes with his lantern,
Searching for one just man. . .
13strong
13strong on Sep 11 '07 at 10:21am
You should watch the film The History Boys.

It will explain better than I could the value of learning poetry. It may not seem to be of much use now, but one day you'll end up in some predicament or circumstances and suddenly they'll make sense, and you'll be glad that you have them.
bananza
bananza on Sep 11 '07 at 10:21am
Um... I have..

"Night thought of a tortoise suffering from insomnia on a lawn" memorized...

The world is very flat
There is no doubt of that

ehem..
Audiovore
Audiovore on Sep 11 '07 at 10:24am
I though this was about the language at first. But yeah pretty much all english classes are complete BS unless you plan to be an english major, which still makes all the HS ones BS, cause you basically repeat them in 101. Memorization is only necessary, and almost essential for spelling.
Jackanapes mk.II
Jackanapes mk.II on Sep 11 '07 at 10:25am
Fuck you.
bananza
bananza on Sep 11 '07 at 10:25am
Bah, now I've got to go recite one of these poems in class, g'bye.

I really hope I don't screw this one up. urgh
isneked
isneked on Sep 11 '07 at 10:27am
thats too much i could never memorize 3 paragraphs
isneked
isneked on Sep 11 '07 at 10:27am
id write em on my hand or something like that
margolove
margolove on Sep 11 '07 at 10:27am
lolz at memory game.

It's not always bad. At writing camp they randomly asked for recitations... I kinda wished I'd memorized something so I could've just pulled it out of thin air.

But, that only helps if you're at writing camp, I guess. Ahaha. Although you would use it to impress writer-type boys and make them want to kiss you more.
Jackanapes mk.II
Jackanapes mk.II on Sep 11 '07 at 10:28am
. . . That's actually true.
margolove
margolove on Sep 11 '07 at 10:28am
yeah... English is total BS. An appreciation for some of the greatest art ever created by man is worthless.

I mean, maybe you're not getting that from a terrible class. But you CAN get that. And beyond that, it's useful... sigh... I really shouldn't even bother.
lemonalle
lemonalle on Sep 11 '07 at 10:29am
Maybe I'll make myself memorize something this weekend.
margolove
margolove on Sep 11 '07 at 10:29am
*you could

yeah, I know, chris! I can do some Shakespeare now.
loserbeech
loserbeech on Sep 11 '07 at 10:30am
One of my teachers could recite HUGE chunks of the Bible, the Odyssey, and a bunch of other crazy stuff. He said that if you memorised texts, you were never without a book to pass the time.
Audiovore
Audiovore on Sep 11 '07 at 10:37am
I think exploring literature should be a personal journey, and not crap randomly and non-sensically forced upon you.
Jackanapes mk.II
Jackanapes mk.II on Sep 11 '07 at 10:37am
I can recite SOME of Dante . . . in Italian. Only I never know if I've got it right.
margolove
margolove on Sep 11 '07 at 10:37am
a lot of people would never do it.
Jackanapes mk.II
Jackanapes mk.II on Sep 11 '07 at 10:39am
How is it non-sensically forced on you? I could say the same about a laboratory science, if I had a mind to. Only I don't, because I think education is a good thing, even if I'm not desperately interested in the subject.

Jackanapes mk.II
Jackanapes mk.II on Sep 11 '07 at 10:40am
Besides, you probably wouldn't know what to read, nor be able to make heads or tails of it. Do you really think you'd be able to make it all the way through, say, Beowulf or The Commedia on your own. . . and really understand what was going on?
Audiovore
Audiovore on Sep 11 '07 at 10:45am
Laboratory science is considerably structured. You must learn one thing before the other and so forth. Students who excel are advanced accordingly. English however is taught in random patterns of spelling, grammar and literary significance. Part of this has to do with my dislike of the public US school system. For one all students should be familiar and understand Shakespeare, before HS, but normally you don't even encounter it till 10th grade.
Audiovore
Audiovore on Sep 11 '07 at 10:47am
No. but as of now they are only expected to answer questions on paper, and not even understand there own answers.
Jackanapes mk.II
Jackanapes mk.II on Sep 11 '07 at 10:48am
Yeah, that's lame. But then your real beef isn't with English classes, or being "forced" to encounter English, but with the way you've encountered it in public schools. I've been in private schools most of my life, and have found the way they handle English classes to be pretty well-thought out, for the most part.
margolove
margolove on Sep 11 '07 at 10:48am
it depends on the class. That stuff's variable. I only took one class that was like that in high school.
margolove
margolove on Sep 11 '07 at 10:49am
(and I go to a public school, but that's not entirely fair because it's a rather odd one)
Audiovore
Audiovore on Sep 11 '07 at 10:54am
True Jack, it is generally a dislike for the hap-hazard US public school system. And as margolove says she goes to a 'rather odd' HS, which I hate that that is even possible and believe in a national system.
margolove
margolove on Sep 11 '07 at 10:58am
you hate that that's even possible? Alternative high schools?
margolove
margolove on Sep 11 '07 at 11:03am
assuming we had a flawless public education system that worked for every student, then something like that wouldn't be needed. However, we don't. So what would be the point in getting rid of something like that?
Jackanapes mk.II
Jackanapes mk.II on Sep 11 '07 at 11:05am
Yeah. There's really no such thing as a flawless education system. It will always be thus: the students who will get an education are the ones who want to/are able to get an education. Some kids aren't really able to advance beyond a certain level in some areas, and would do a lot better to be in a work-study program, instead of learning calculus or literary criticism.
Chipmnk
Chipmnk on Sep 11 '07 at 11:06am
I must admit, those are quite good poems, but I agree, memorizing poems is almost entirely frivolous. It's more or less just busy work. I guess it will make you appreciate poetry a little better.
margolove
margolove on Sep 11 '07 at 11:08am
having to recite poetry does help you understand it/appreciate it more, I think. I had to read a ton of Sandburg for the literary equivalent of a rap battle (hard to explain), and I ended up falling in love with it... which didn't happen when I just read them to myself.
shirkoo
shirkoo on Sep 11 '07 at 11:09am
i only know the third poem. sweety, not be upset. these things come up handy from time to time. like if you meet some good looking geek, for example...
Jackanapes mk.II
Jackanapes mk.II on Sep 11 '07 at 11:09am
That wasn't hard to explain at all.
Audiovore
Audiovore on Sep 11 '07 at 12:05pm
margolove, Alternate HS here = kids shooting up in the bathroom.
margolove
margolove on Sep 11 '07 at 2:10pm
that's not what it has to be, though. The term really just means it's another choice. And it's not like that everywhere, even though that stigma is attached to it.
flourpower
flourpower on Sep 11 '07 at 2:44pm
yeah, I'm majorly jealous of Margo's alternative hs.

I looove that Keats poem. I wish I had more stuff memorized, just cause the words are so gorgeous. (Can you tell I'm an English major?)
Chipmnk
Chipmnk on Sep 11 '07 at 2:45pm
Being an English major rocks.
flourpower
flourpower on Sep 11 '07 at 2:48pm
Chipmnk -- it definitely looks that way! All of the department offerings at my school sound so interesting, while for my other major, it's all "econ, chem, bio, stat, math."

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