whether you buy a threadless shirt or not... they will still be making that flight.

Isn't that like saying that no individual can make any difference so we may as well do whatever we like (and drown)?

nope...

the select shirts have a better fit

I agree the blokes shirts are well boxy on the arms, Threadless will be printing on new shirts soon. Maybe they'll fit better?

The fact remains that most of the shirts we buy in the UK have been made elsewhere and shipped over anyway, so not buying thredaless for that reason will make very little difference, if any.

Really? Oh, ok then. The point is that that freight flight will be made up of many, many individual orders. If enough orders are not made, then in fact there would be flights cancelled.

Uh...alright
Your decision really doesn't affect anyone here...at all

By the way, there will ALWAYS be enough orders made because there will ALWAYS be packages to be sent, everywhere. Stop trying to prove him wrong. You are not an environmentalist crusader for refusing to buy a t-shirt.

Asahi - nobody said it would.

Gaff is simply starting a discussion - he's not suggesting this is of any urgency to the people who use this website.

The thing is that with the new Threadless T's being manufactured in Bangladesh (I don't know where the Fruit of the Loom ones came from, though I know the American Apparel ones are from LA), the shirts will be making a flight to Chicago, and then a flight from Chicago to wherever else in the world they're going.

The shirt generally fit me pretty well (though even within the Medium Mens FotL shirts, they tend to vary in length and shape somewhat), so that ain't a problem for me. You could always develop some nice bingo wings, Gaff.

I am mulling over the flight issue...

No decision made, Asahi, just having a discussion and curious about other people's opinions. I don't really understand people like Asahi who comment on people's blogs just to declare that they have no interest in it and no opinion. If you're THAT bored, go outside and get some exercise or something.

Asahi - why are you being so obnoxious?

Gaff said nothing about being an environmentalist crusader. He's a person concerned with the environment and the impact that his individuals actions have on the world. If he is attempting to adapt his lifestyle to minimise the negative impact he has, then considering whether or not he should buy t-shirts from overseas, involving extensive air travel, when he could be buying them locally, is a valid question.

If you're not interested in discussing the issue, then go elsewhere.

I hate the sleeves on the threadless shirts so much

haha. on the girl ones it opposite.

the sleeves and sholders are sooper small and then the torso is huge.

haha.

Right, that's it. I'm going to grow myself a beer belly and then start buying the Girls Large sizes. Thanks, Julia.

Ideally, Threadless would manufacture their shirts within the US. That they use overseas manufacturing and labour is not surprising, though.

Also ideally, they would have a store in the UK or even Europe somewhere, where they could ship their shirts from, but they're still a small company and until they gain GLOBAL CORPORATION status, that's not likely to happen.

Thing is, should such a thing ever occur, I could imagine Threadless adopting the principles of local manufacturing and production. They are well-known for their alternative approach to business, and it wouldn't be a stretch for them. That would obviously be some years away though.

Personally, I'd be happy to pay more money knowing that their product was manufactured in the US under ethical conditions. However, there success seems in large part to be based on the cheapness of their products, so I don't see anything changing.

Perhaps I could partly solve both problems by starting a cotton plantation in my back garden and using it to make my own, non-flappy sleeves. Air miles and sleeve issues solved at one stroke. I know, the holes in this plan are Arctic-sized.

You could offer Arctic-sized shirts to your... larger customers.

with their flappy sleeves they would prob. deliver themselves without the need for air transportation as well...

Good point, Kidder.

Looks like there could be movement on the sleeves/fit front: http://www.threadless.com/news/88235/EXCITING_NEWS_ABOUT_THE_TEES_WE_PRINT_ON#lastcomment

I am pretty sure I remember reading that Threadless people were going to visit the site where the shirts were made to make sure it was being ethically done.

Last I heard they said they didn't know if they would have the time, but that the manufacturer would send them photos of the factory, to reassure them.

I don't want to turn this into a debate about Threadless' ethics and things - I got into that on the official Threadless news thread on this subject, and basically got a lot of nastiness.

I could be making this up, but I think some people didn't have time to go but there was still a group going. The group going was going to take and bring bak pictures.

Who knows? It doesn't matter anyway how they are checking out the factory. It is really cool they are checking it out though to make sure it's don ethically.

Yeah - as long as they get an accurate idea of the actual working conditions, it's fine. Whether or not they will is another matter.

Aaanyway, I would still personally prefer that they used local manufacturers, for both economic and green reasons, but like I said, they're a small company and their cheap products are a big part of their success...

so in summary: boycott threadless, save the planet

Live earth has taught you well, tesco.

Can you alter the shirt sleeves to fit the way you want? Sounds kind of silly but it is only fabric. I would do it with the lower seam on the sleeve.

Joking aside: Nobody is saying that boycotting Threadless will save the planet.

I had suggested that as well, Canadian Beaver. I don't think Gaff rates his seamstressing skills that highly though.

To now solve the ethical problem this post has brought up in my filthy mind, I will now be planting 25 acorns per 1 threadless product bought.

Also I did pick up a very well known red and white drinks can from Shoeburyness beach yesterday and put it into a recycling bin when I got home. I am just so carbon neutral it is unbelievable

To balance out my carbon footprint, every time I buy a Threadless shirt, I stop eating for a week.

If the sewing is a straight line and does not require taking stuff apart, I adjust clothes sometimes. For example, I hate flared jeans. Always have.

Oh, and I stopped giving birth once I joined Threadless to stop contributing to overpopulation and overburdening healthcare.

I hate flared jeans too

I feel it challenges my masculinity too much


grrrrrr

and flared jeans affects my spelling and gramma too


^^ Thats a poor excuse I know Staffell

Hmmmm I think a doo doo t-shirt would do well me thinks


You know the extinct fat bird from Mauritiaus/madagascar?

Hehe they affect your gramma.

For every one threadless shirt bought, I will make a new clothes hanger out of natural products, like twigs, grass, and poison ivy.

There was a great Dodo design submitted for the Ted Leo competition - I hope it gets printed even if it doesn't win.

I just realised today is Monday! New shirts!

where are the new shirts then??
Are the non-limey's up yet??

They usually aren't up until after 10 est.

Isn't today a holiday in the US?

^^^ July 4th weekend? Waaddo-I know

13strong did try to persuade me to cut a triangle out of my sleeves and sew them up again, but over the phone this was a difficult concept: isoceles? equilateral? er, the other one? Triangle base at the sleeve-end or at the shoulder seam? I'm liable to end up looking like Betty Rubble if I go at this myself. Come to think of it, that wouldn't be a bad outcome.

I've been complaining about the men's sleeves for ever since I've been around.

T-Shirts should fit the body, not be like tents. Early 90's was when clothes started to really suck. Hip-hop and grunge both tag-teamed clothes that fit for men and everything became too big, even starndard sizes grew larger. I have sized small men's t-shirts from the 70's that fit, feel light, aren't heavy sweaty cotton and maintain their screenprint flawlessly desite heavy usage.

I can't find good t-shirts anywhere.

I did wonder when I posted this whether flappy sleeves or climate change would arouse more passion. It's a photo finish.

wait, I am putting together a sketch for you

I find my best t-shirts from charity shops

My latest t is a Night rider special with David sitting astride the car with leather trousers on (Pants)

this fad .. heavy cloth, sweaty dense t-shirts needs to go, especially in the summer

thin 50/50 blend is nice

I even buy branded name t-shirts if they are moth eaten enough

Sadly I have had to buy some bright white chav trainers today as I couldn't find anything I liked so I just chose something I liked 10 years ago!

I dunno FotL sleeves fit me fine they flare a little but thats it if I buy AA I have to go up a size or theyre waaaay too tight on teh body so no matter which way you go there are going to be complaints ...

What about netted t-shirts?

look up Rab c nesbit my yankydoodle friends That would explain it