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AtariSupernova
AtariSupernova aka Micah Cruver is a boy, has been a member since February 13, 2007, has scored 92 submissions, giving an average score of 2.00, helping 1 designs get printed.
I wonder what makes music like it is?
Its quite strange, how a certain combination of various pitches can affect the human mind so much. After a single song, somebody can have their entire mood changed completely. It could be artificially changed, like by the person, or it could be a genuine mood transition.

Who knows what else in the future we will discover (or be shown), that can affect the human psyche without effort?

Perhaps a certain rhythm that permanently changes a person's mind, such as changing a homicidal maniac's thoughts to that of an elementary school teacher, or even affecting us physically, such as healing wounds, erasing memories, or even triggering a new kind of cellular growth?

Almost a musical lobotomy.




Just a thought.

martiandrivein
   martiandrivein on May 17 '07 at 6:22pm
It's major and minor chords dude... progressions, modulations and the such. It's not all like...psychadelic or anything, it's just how we're programmed to respond. We associate minor chords with spooky, major with happy, and the inbetweens can make things intense, sad and all the like... sorry to burst your "profound" bubble.
AtariSupernova
AtariSupernova on May 17 '07 at 6:27pm
But aren't those just mental stereotypes our minds associate with for example, the music playing during that mood in a movie?



How would a human respond when hearing music if they had never experienced the molds put out by the media?



Mmmm?
martiandrivein
   martiandrivein on May 17 '07 at 6:34pm
... it wasn't the media that first established these rules. It was theater, Opera, symphonies, and the composers that did. Think about it, the composers, Mozart and the like would conduct a orchestra with the same intensity that he expected out of his music. Thus, the audience would associate his enthusiasm, with the fluctuations in the music, and gained the same feelings.
Tonteau
   Tonteau on May 17 '07 at 6:35pm
Martian, how we respond changes with time, culture, etc. Over time people learn to accept new sounds and different harmonies/dischords, people's associations change. People in different countries are brought up to understand quarter tones, stuff that doesn't fit into our understanding of music.



Music has been shown to have hugely healing properties, and deliver therapy in many areas to many different people, and as much as it's cool to try and dismiss people's pseudo-profundities, you haven't really burst any bubbles with that. Music is a hell of a lot deeper and more complex than minor/major, happy/sad, pre-programmed simplicity.
martiandrivein
   martiandrivein on May 17 '07 at 6:38pm
Well yes, tonteau, to the individual, it is impossible to say a minor chord is going to make you sad, or paranoid, but in general, the rules apply. If they didn't, then soundtracks to movies would make no sense, operas and musical theater wouldn't exist, and people wouldn't pursue to play or find music that speaks to them.
martiandrivein
   martiandrivein on May 17 '07 at 6:43pm
What I'm saying is that, as a collective, the whole "music as a weapon" thing will never happen. Soundwaves, yeah sure, but not music as giving such extreme emotions, just because the norms are there, and there's too much of an individual basis to say such a thing is possible.
Tonteau
   Tonteau on May 17 '07 at 6:44pm
But the breadth and history of music is sooo much wider than the western route of progression.
AtariSupernova
AtariSupernova on May 17 '07 at 6:47pm
So true.

Experienced from almost anywhere in the world, music moves all cultures, and has done so for almost as long as we've been here.
martiandrivein
   martiandrivein on May 17 '07 at 6:48pm
agreed... but you think, from it's scientific origins, with the lyre and ancient greek instruments that there's such a difference today, that those same rules don't apply?... Music is a science, man. It's also an art, don't get me wrong, but there is a reason to explain all that happens with it.
Tonteau
   Tonteau on May 17 '07 at 6:52pm
The American army (and probably many others) uses music as a weapon. Blasting rock music at prisoners to make them more susceptible to interrogation, to weaken them. Particularly Middle Eastern prisoners, as they are not as culturally conditioned to deal with the combination of notes and sounds in heavy rock music.





As you say, it is science and art, but it triggers things we don't understand and conjures emotions and feelings of experiences we've never had (speaking personally). I just think that aside from the science aspects of it, it works on a level we can't explain.
blossompossum
blossompossum on May 17 '07 at 6:53pm
There was a French composer who once stated that music is the most difficult thing to write about. Not everyone gives the same idea, the chords won't affect averyone in one way and it's far older than what the media started. Take the music of the Sufis, for example, mostly the qawwalis they are most well-known for. The media never bother with that, so it stayed the same for centuries.



Music is a very human thing, though. Everyone will find something different but pleasing to hear. It isn't the type of thing that can be just explained with chords and notes; there's more to it than that.
martiandrivein
   martiandrivein on May 17 '07 at 6:57pm
If I subjected you to my music for long enough, I'm sure I could make you talk... hahaha. Anything over long amounts of constant exposure would make someone go crazy, or give in, no matter how strong willed they are.



I'm simply saying, that saying music will give us healing powers, or physical harm = never. Soundwaves maybe. Music can give us peace, or intense feeling, but as for the physical responses, I don't think so. Your state of mind/emotion may help assist with "relieving" pain or whatever, but it's not ever going to single handedly cure someone
AtariSupernova
AtariSupernova on May 17 '07 at 6:58pm
Its also interesting to me that humans have created something that we can hardly comprehend the true nature of. That is, if we did create it.



Not the first, or the last of these discoveries...
blossompossum
blossompossum on May 17 '07 at 6:59pm
The only physical harm music could cause was if you blasted it loud enough to pop their eardrums.
martiandrivein
   martiandrivein on May 17 '07 at 7:00pm
not true there blossom... concussion bombs operate on sound waves.
martiandrivein
   martiandrivein on May 17 '07 at 7:01pm
I gotta go... but keep talking...I'll be back
AtariSupernova
AtariSupernova on May 17 '07 at 7:03pm
The blunt force of music probably can't do much, but maybe it could cause the brain to trigger something miraculous, or catastrophic, within the body. Maybe.



I know, its more "what if..."



But I'd like to find out someday.



:]
blossompossum
blossompossum on May 17 '07 at 7:10pm
*sigh* I fall sub-par, yet again.



Ah well.



Sometimes the attatchment to music forms through memories. If they provoke a fond memory, chances are you would listen to the song or piece that made you think of it. In a way it is almost an addiction...



And about your use of the word "lobotomy"... that would mean physically removing part of the brain. It used to be used in mental hospitals, but is no longer legal because of its inhumanity.



That's a word, right?
51 days later
AtariSupernova
AtariSupernova on Jul 07 '07 at 8:12pm
I know what lobotomy is, or else I wouldn't have used the word.

Inhumanity. Yup. Spell checker says its fine.
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