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Raul.Duke
Raul.Duke aka Seth Collier is a 19.45 year old boy, has been a member since January 16, 2007, has scored 215 submissions, giving an average score of 0.39.
  Mar 03 '07 by Raul.Duke        24 Comments        Watch this      Share:  Share on facebook    Share on delicious    Share on digg    Share on MySpace    Tweet this    Stumble this    Share this on Kaboodle   
I've been thinking a a lot as of late about converting to Buddhism.I identify strongly with the set of beliefs and guidelines and ideals they claim they represent. However, growing up in a Christian home and being raised in a Christian church i feel has hindered my ability to grasp certain concepts and also i have a few questions of my own:
For starters, Buddha talks about entering nirvana and leaving the cycle of life and death. He also mentions that our strongest desires get passed on through reincarnation. Now, if to enter nirvana is to abandon all desires, then nothing would remain of you, and entering nirvana merely ends the cycle of life and death....does this mean nirvana is infinite death? This is a hard concept for me to wrap my head around because as a Christian i was taught that all life is infinite and no matter what you live forever, and heaven is just the better of two places to live forever in. Its difficult for me to want to pursue something where the ultimate result is permanent death. Am i totally wrong in my assumptions?
Also, I know Buddha avoided questions like these choosing instead "Noble Silence" but does the Buddhist community take any sort of stand as far as creation? As far as i understand Buddhists in general do not believe in a God. ( i emphasize the capital G because i know some Buddhists see buddha as a savior rather than a teacher , also understand there are at least 2 major sects in buddhism and that there may be multiple or conflicting answers to this question.)
I would appreciate any kind of feed back that anyone can give on this matter. Thanks for your help.

Malcolm Man
Malcolm Man on Mar 03 '07 at 2:40am
Buddists are violent!
Raul.Duke
Raul.Duke on Mar 03 '07 at 2:42am
Haha. I think most people would disagree with you.
sonmi
   sonmi on Mar 03 '07 at 2:43am
i used to know a lot more about buddhism when i took asian philosophy... to the point where i felt a kinship with a certain sector of buddhism... if they're even called sectors. i think it was tibetan buddhism.

umm but i remember nothing now, since that was about 3 years ago. it's more interesting a concept than christianity to me.
Raul.Duke
Raul.Duke on Mar 03 '07 at 2:47am
I feel that i identify with certain portions of both of the main "Sectors" of buddhism. Ive become quite fond of the thought that i could live with Tibetan monks for a few months once i graduate. I believe most Tibetan Buddhists practice Mahayana buddhism, which emphasizes compassion over wisdom, as opposed to Theravada Buddhism which is the opposite.
exoticrobotic
exoticrobotic on Mar 03 '07 at 2:47am
wouldn't nirvana just be like ultimate peace in their eyes? no desires, no needs... just peace and sleep forever?

its scary to think about being dead forever, but i try to think of it like that....just being and peace
Malcolm Man
Malcolm Man on Mar 03 '07 at 2:52am
If you study history, Buddhists are traditionally violent
sonmi
   sonmi on Mar 03 '07 at 2:53am
my cousin is a practicing buddhist. buddhism is strange, in that to be buddhist, it's more about your commitment to the acts involved in buddhism, like meditation, whereas in christianity it's just whether or not you believe in god. but perhaps i could be wrong. all i know is that it's easy to be agnostic! you can have the peace and the state of being, without it necessarily being tied to a spiritual foundation.

and that's the end of that chapter
exoticrobotic
exoticrobotic on Mar 03 '07 at 2:56am
people always fight about what is christianity....with all the extremists and then people who just go to church because they think they should. such a weird religion
sonmi
   sonmi on Mar 03 '07 at 3:01am
yeah some people think if you go to church then you're all good, and others think the church is corrupted, and you only have to believe and you're all good.
eXtrachunky
eXtrachunky on Mar 03 '07 at 3:08am
didnt the founder of nirvana or something meditated for 2 weeks straight?!
that is hard for me to believe... :[
Raul.Duke
Raul.Duke on Mar 03 '07 at 3:16am
if by the founder of nirvana you mean The Buddha? then no. it was much more than that. i think it was like 6 or 7 weeks. if you mean Kurt Cobain then i have no idea what the hell you are talking about. and also...it isnt that hard to believe if you believe he realy lived with ascetics for 6 years and fasted on 6 grains of rice a day until he could feel his spine when he touched his stomach. Im sure he could've done with out food for a while.
eXtrachunky
eXtrachunky on Mar 03 '07 at 3:22am
ehh this guy. i forgot his name. suddhartha or something like that.
prrreeettty intense though
radiomode
   radiomode on Mar 03 '07 at 4:05am
I learnt buddhist before, and from what i understood, the concept of nirvana is not as simple as heaven or hell. It is not some kind of dimension, but more to the state of mind. I was told that it is almost like having a balance feeling, where you will not feel sad, but you wont also be overwhelmed with joy (can you imagine this?)

Then the follow up is that you can never fully understand about this nirvana, until you are managed to really experience it. My teacher used to descibe it with a story about an insect which was bleesed with human eye. No matter how hard he tried to explain what he saw through his human eyes, his fellow insect would never understand.

The strongest desire of human being is to feel happiness, which is basically equal to be absent from sadness. Sadness comes from human attachment to things, including self (my mind, my feeling). This self consciusness is the reason why one will always be reborn again.

For the creation one, it is the same case with egg and chicken. Which one comes first? Our world as we know comes from previous world, human comes from previous being, and so on.

Does it help?
Jewstice
Jewstice on Mar 03 '07 at 4:14am
Siddhartha Gautama
Raul.Duke
Raul.Duke on Mar 03 '07 at 4:16am
Siddhartha Gautama....later renamed The Buddha. same person.
Jewstice
Jewstice on Mar 03 '07 at 4:23am
I was just helping out the guy up there with his name.

I would read up some more on it. Read Siddhartha if you haven't already. I might also recommend a book I recently picked up called "Buddhism Without Beliefs", however, I haven't been able to read it yet to review it.
Raul.Duke
Raul.Duke on Mar 04 '07 at 1:31am
bump.
theurbanraptor
theurbanraptor on Mar 04 '07 at 1:32am
the guy on tekken 5 feng, is a buddhist and he kills people all the time.
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Mar 04 '07 at 1:35am
ahoy!

nirvana is more a state of perpetual bliss and rebirth; not infinite death. to be honest, i shyed away from budhism and now enjoy reading taoist literature as frequently as i can.
i don't think i could fully practice the idea of non attachment and have a wife and family. buddhism is beautiful and compassion is it's heart, if you will.

i grew up in a christian setting as well; went to catholic hs. it is tough to accept these types of ideas with that background but continue reading and pursuing it and you'll become one with it.
Rock Deputy
   Rock Deputy on Mar 04 '07 at 1:38am
if I'm not mistaken (and it's known to happen) the way Buddhism works with life and death goes like this:

If you're bad - you come back as a lowly creature (think - dung beetle)
If you're pretty good (lead a good life but fail to eliminate desire) then you'll probably come back as a human.
If you're super good (eliminate all desire) then you go to nirvana... which is probably their word for heaven.
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Mar 04 '07 at 1:40am
weird how christianity adopted that and made a hell and purgatory instead of going with the reincarnation idea.
stubbythumbs
stubbythumbs on Mar 04 '07 at 1:43am
this is just my opinion... but i think that choosing a religion makes no sense. if you never had one, then life your life as a good person.... and if finding a religion makes that easier, then go for it.

but when it comes to converting, ask yourself if you are converting becuase you have a problem with your religion or if it is becuase the new one is more appealing.

i only say this because of what you said:
Its difficult for me to want to pursue something where the ultimate result is permanent death.

what you believe in won't change what happens when you die. thats the mystery
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Mar 04 '07 at 1:44am
actually, what you set my mind to creates what happens after you die, so it does matter.
Rock Deputy
   Rock Deputy on Mar 04 '07 at 1:56am
stubbythumbs makes a good point. don't consider converting because it "sounds cool". it's one thing to read about a religion and have it immediately make sense but the fact is - death is the same for all of us and we have no idea what happens after.

One thing that all major religions share is the importance of being a good person. whatever afterlife scenario you subscribe to leading a "good" life seems to be the biggest requisite for reaching the "heaven" level.

Many of the religions also require ritual worship and some form of groveling but I think that stuff's a load of shit. If you lead a good life where you help others and avoid harming others (and have a healthy sense of guilt if you do) then I can't imagine a "God" that would send you to hell for not kissing His ass.

This comment will probably land me in some hot water though...
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