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stubby43
stubby43 aka Phil is a 25.42 year old boy, has been a member since December 22, 2006, has scored 3,809 submissions, giving an average score of 2.65, helping 191 designs get printed.
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lets debate copyright.
Well all at once, anyway lately I've been going on a little bit of a spending spree buying lots and lots of books.

I'd feel guilty but they are for my studies and they are really interesting.

On my last order I bought:

Here comes everybody - the power of organizing without organisations by Clay shirky

Its about how crowds are working together to produce amazing sets of work that far surpass anything produced in a traditional manner (traditional meaning hirarchical).

Basically think wikipedia, the worlds largest enycolpedia thats constantly changeing always being updated and its free. Its not made by the wikipedia company or by experts its made by people adding a little bit of time here and there. Some edits are only gramatical changes whilst others are whole sections of info.

Its a big change from a company hiring people to write chapters and having it judged by editors.

I also picked up Against intellectual monopoly by Michele Boldrin and David K. Levine

Which argues that copy right actually holds back development and isnt needed in the digital age.

My latest purchases are:

Free Culture - How Big Media Uses Technology and the Law to Lock Down Culture and Control Creativity

by Lawrence Lessig


Convergence Culture: Where Old and New Media Collide

by Henry Jenkins

and

The Wealth of Networks: How Social Production Transforms Markets and Freedom

by Y Benkler

Looking forward to reading them.

P.S I'm digsuted how much it costs to buy books in the UK.

Ordering those three books on amazon.ca it cost me $50, converted to pounds it was about £27

To buy the same three books from amazon.co.uk it costs

£52.93 or $105, serriously it would be cheaper to buy the books in canada and have them posted to the uk.

twoonebee
twoonebee on Oct 17 '08 at 8:11pm
what jackanapes said.

Believe it or not, being a poet isn't as lucrative as some may think :p

especially when those copyrights aren't easy to get.
stubby43
stubby43 on Oct 17 '08 at 8:25pm
Niether of the books advocate getting rid of intulectual property just changing it and I dont think their really looking at writers.



against intellectual monopoly used the example of the steam engine, James Watt invented then patented the design that lasted from 1775 to 1800. This effectively blocked improvements of the design of the steam engine because theres only one way a steam engine can work, they can improve it but its still based off that design.



Watt opted for sueing everyone that tried to release an improvment, of course he didnt bother improving his design because he was making alot of money from the patent, in short he didnt need to.



As soon as the patent ran out hundreds of new designs and improvements were released, they came out pretty much all at once because they didnt want to get sued by Watt.



For Watt is was benifical to have a patent but the rest of us suffered because of it, technological development was held back by almost two decades.



I'm not very far in that book so I cant tell you what they think about artists and writers but I have read the argument that copyright the way it is now can still be damaging (read it in wikinomics).



We live in an age where everyone has the tools to write, publish and distribute anything now of course the majority of this mass amuaturisation has limited appeal to anyone but friends the problem is theres so much noise now that its incredibly easy to get drowned out.



One of the solutions I've heard from writers is to distribute their work freely for anyone to take on the net, whats been happening which might suprise you is that its actually increasing sales.



Whats the point of keeping the ownership of your book if no one reads it?



Some use a donation system on their website others dont bother but what they've found is that people actually buy books.



Partly because its uncomforatble to read a book online and partly because they want to support the author but another reason (possibly the main reason) is that they tell their friends and their friends buy the books.



Some copyright is ok, I'm not saying we should allow people to steal work and claim it as their own but distributing it for free could be an effective model.
spacesick 2
spacesick 2 on Oct 17 '08 at 8:28pm
capitalism? more like BAPITALISM!
WarDrobeInSpareOom
WarDrobeInSpareOom on Oct 17 '08 at 8:32pm
Whats the point of keeping the ownership of your book if no one reads it?





You've clearly never written anything.
twoonebee
twoonebee on Oct 17 '08 at 8:33pm
Patents and copyrights are different matters though...



and the freeware book idea is really good and I know people it's worked for, musicians have been doing it for a long time and it's a nice concept.



The only fear is plagiarism but there are precautions you can take...
stubby43
stubby43 on Oct 17 '08 at 8:35pm
Well then clarify the point, I mean in the context of this debate were talking about published or authors who are trying to get published. At the end of the day what is publishing if its not trying to get people to read your book?
twoonebee
twoonebee on Oct 17 '08 at 8:38pm
yes, but not everyone needs to get published to reach the people they're trying to, and by no means does everyone write just to get published...

you can't generalise.
stubby43
stubby43 on Oct 17 '08 at 8:42pm
Damn it I really want to debate but I'm going out to a film showing.
twoonebee
twoonebee on Oct 17 '08 at 8:43pm
shame.

hope it's worth it :p
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