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Sep 27 '07 by stubby43
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Anyone else confused by the barons?

It seemed like they turned up out of no where and all had accounts with baron on it.

Are they blog members who set up a group kind of like the black rock?

or an existing group that joined threadless or am I way off?

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ladykat on Sep 27 '07 at 3:05pm

The former.

ladykat on Sep 27 '07 at 3:06pm

Because we all needed a little more exclusivity and factions around here.

ladykat on Sep 27 '07 at 3:06pm

I was amused at first, but not since I've seen how some of them have responded to others on the blogs who wanted to join.

stubby43 on Sep 27 '07 at 3:12pm

Ah ok, I've seen some of the work and to be perfectly honnest the barrons stuff isnt all that great.

Torakamikaze on Sep 27 '07 at 3:17pm

oh fiddlesticks

lemme just admit here that I'm a baron... it was all started as a fun little way of submitting group themed subs. We never really planned on participating in blogs, and we werent really expecting people to create their own accounts proclaiming themslevves as barons. Because of all the mass emails we send to each other regarding themes and all that hootananny... we just wanted to keep the group to a minumum. And the whole Baron vs Alumni thing was another factor in us deciding to stay at our current number. It has nothing to do with exclusion or division. Some people may have responded harshly, but you cant control other's responses. We're all regular bloggers.

chelly on Sep 27 '07 at 3:19pm

i've got an email of all the barons if anyone wants it

ladykat on Sep 27 '07 at 3:19pm

Like all the stuff submitted on Threadless, some of it's good, some not.

They'll probably be held to different standards just because they've labeled themselves as a group of designers - which can lead to either people seeing the mediocre stuff as good because they expect it to be good, or to see the good stuff as mediocre because their standards have been artificially inflated.

impossiblejosh on Sep 27 '07 at 3:20pm

tora! knife fight black rock pirate vs baron!

see you on top of a subway train

ladykat on Sep 27 '07 at 3:21pm

Some people may have responded harshly, but you cant control other's responses. We're all regular bloggers.

Alas, the tricky part about forming a clique is that individual responses start to be seen as responses on behalf of the group.

ladykat on Sep 27 '07 at 3:22pm

And the whole Baron vs Alumni thing was another factor in us deciding to stay at our current number.

I stayed far away from that most of the time because it just raised the feeling of cliquishness and exclusivity around here.

I did, however, respond to individual blogs pimping individual subs here and there, when the subs were decent.

Torakamikaze on Sep 27 '07 at 3:22pm

Alas, the tricky part about forming a clique is that individual responses start to be seen as responses on behalf of the group.

of course

The Neon Baron. on Sep 27 '07 at 3:23pm

barons be haters apparently.

D:

canadianbeaver on Sep 27 '07 at 3:25pm

Whether the work is good or not is not the point and a comment that is not necessary. I am a baron and proud of my subs, whether they do well or not. Folks have been e-mailing us to join just to make fun of us and we are really friends who support each other and take turns doing work we love.

This Black Bastard thing and other fake ID's is perfect example of why we just want to submit work and enjoy each other's company.

canadianbeaver on Sep 27 '07 at 3:26pm

Neon, Black Bastard etc, are you all fake accounts with nothing better to do?

The Neon Baron. on Sep 27 '07 at 3:28pm

so what canadianbeaver is saying... they think their farts dont stink and so they want to stay in a giant enclosed room where they can smell eachothers farts and if anyone else even comes into the room it automatically smells worse then their collective farts

professorE on Sep 27 '07 at 3:28pm

Anyone else want to call themselves a professor and start subbing things together?

Letter E is already in use, but all the other letters, and even 0-9 are still up for grabs. IM me @ knifefightE (AIM) to tlet me know.

knifefightE is in no way affiliated with the other knife fight comment above. That's been my screen name for a number of years now...

The Neon Baron. on Sep 27 '07 at 3:28pm

no im real toots... just as real as any other baron

canadianbeaver on Sep 27 '07 at 3:29pm

yup, that's about it.

And I am the champ at that activity.

Torakamikaze on Sep 27 '07 at 3:30pm

honestly I have no idea what to say to defend us... it was all made in good fun. I wish we wouldve just stayed out of the blogs completely... cause the whole reason we did this was to just have fun creating themed subs. Other people have done it, so we wanted to do it too. I dont see what's wrong with that.

canadianbeaver on Sep 27 '07 at 3:31pm

It's ARTDROPS fault dammit.

:-)

Bramish on Sep 27 '07 at 3:31pm

All this bad feeling towards 'secret' groups is ridiculous.

I'm not a Baron, but anyone here is capable of organising a group, secret or otherwise, and it's unfeasible for any group to be able to accept everyone into it.

I like what they've done.

They'll probably be held to different standards just because they've labeled themselves as a group of designers - which can lead to either people seeing the mediocre stuff as good because they expect it to be good, or to see the good stuff as mediocre because their standards have been artificially inflated.

I think that's bullshit.

The Neon Baron. on Sep 27 '07 at 3:32pm

exclusivity and cliques is bad...

not letting in someone that has the same interests and is wanting to be appart of the fun and themed subs is just weak. dats whats wrong wit dat

canadianbeaver on Sep 27 '07 at 3:33pm

Bravo - the standard is what the 2300 votes (if they make it past day 1) say they are.

ladykat on Sep 27 '07 at 3:33pm

It doesn't seem to cause as much trouble when groups stay off the blogs, because then it's not rubbed in people's faces as much that they can't join.

That was my issue with the Alumni Club - and the reason why the Black Rock group never bugged me as much.

As I said, I enjoyed the barons until they made it clear they were excluding others too.

canadianbeaver on Sep 27 '07 at 3:35pm

Sorry, Neon. Just you want it, does not mean you can have it. I want to be an Alumni but it is not happening for me yet.

That's just the way it is.

jean_warhol on Sep 27 '07 at 3:35pm

I am Baron Von Nomoredrama

courtney pie on Sep 27 '07 at 3:35pm

phonebook

ladykat on Sep 27 '07 at 3:35pm

I think that's bullshit.

I was making an observation - and am confused by your response.

Are you saying that isn't how things happen? Or that the fact that stuff like that happens is lame?

Because if it's the former, I disagree with you. If it's the latter, I agree.

courtney pie on Sep 27 '07 at 3:36pm

stapler

Stevethegreat on Sep 27 '07 at 3:36pm

lol @ factions

lol @ DeTocqueville

lol @ democracy in general.

canadianbeaver on Sep 27 '07 at 3:36pm

It was not an issue until Neon here kept pestering and pestering. He is obviously on a mission to make this an issue.

shirtflirt on Sep 27 '07 at 3:36pm

barons are all gay.

alumni are appointed.

conspiracies rule.

jean_warhol on Sep 27 '07 at 3:36pm

taco

courtney pie on Sep 27 '07 at 3:37pm

coffee mug

canadianbeaver on Sep 27 '07 at 3:37pm

He is a fake account making an pain of himself just for this reason.

ladykat on Sep 27 '07 at 3:37pm

canadianbeaver on Sep 27 '07 at 3:36pm

It was not an issue until Neon here kept pestering and pestering. He is obviously on a mission to make this an issue.

He wasn't the only one who made an attempt.

I started to realize it was an issue for me when I actively steered clear of the Alumni vs. Barons blog.

canadianbeaver on Sep 27 '07 at 3:38pm

Pees in coffee mug, eats taco and farts.

courtney pie on Sep 27 '07 at 3:38pm

remote control

Torakamikaze on Sep 27 '07 at 3:38pm

why do you think we formed our group? There were others before us. We werent included. Did we get all pissed and damn them? No, we formed our own group. Which, as Bramish pointed out, anyone is capable of doing on their own.

And although our presence in the blogs wasnt necessary, when we did post, it was generally just us goofing off. I guess the barrage of fake baron accounts that were created to make fun of us is what was so off putting.

jean_warhol on Sep 27 '07 at 3:39pm

couch

wullagaru on Sep 27 '07 at 3:39pm

brandon quit whining .. they set themselves a limit as to members and you tried to join too late thats all there is now get over it and just keep subbing. this wasnt exclusive when they started it, they had an open call an you missed it thats all

Bramish on Sep 27 '07 at 3:39pm

A bit of both really ladykat. I for one set no standards for any designer. Take kennnnn for example. I generally love his stuff, but if I score it accordingly. Mediocres tuff is mediocre, regardless of who made it.

Baron VonAqua on Sep 27 '07 at 3:39pm

I'm gay? I guess I Better tell my wife. This is going to make for an uncomfortable dinner table...

The Neon Baron. on Sep 27 '07 at 3:39pm

Sorry, Neon. Just you want it, does not mean you can have it. I want to be an Alumni but it is not happening for me yet.

That's just the way it is.

lol

welll i guess when i become an alumni i can just be twice as pretentioius as ur acting and have a reason to do it.

chelly on Sep 27 '07 at 3:39pm

whether you like it or not, creating a club (that's what it is) within a community that already exists is a means of excluding people, regardless of if you talk about it on the blogs or not.

alumni, black mountain, barons and all the groups that will follow....you carry w/ you a bad stink.

i want no part of it and will do my best to avoid all "societies w/in societies" at all costs.

voting will proceed as it always has, i'm no total jerkwad.

courtney pie on Sep 27 '07 at 3:39pm

carmel popcorn

canadianbeaver on Sep 27 '07 at 3:40pm

So you steered clear. I am truly sorry this has upset you ladykat. But that comp rocked and the subs that came out of it were great.

It was a whole lot more wholesome than that Frestel taking on the alumni over 14 days of bullshit!

shirtflirt on Sep 27 '07 at 3:40pm

yeah brandon. you weren't good enough to be in a group!

ISABOA on Sep 27 '07 at 3:41pm

so I guess it is naive

the kinda ignorance that you can only get from folks who have more good intentions than foresight

to think that something for yuks and fun - would not end up being a big fat pain in the ass. And interpreted by others - who apply their own sophisticated expectations and assessments - in a way so far from the mark - that those previously naive folks have been schooled - left more informed and annoyed and disappointed - in the assumptions made

alas - this is a strange strange place

The Neon Baron. on Sep 27 '07 at 3:42pm

exluding people from groups well theres just one thing i have to say about that

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