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nesbittie
nesbittie aka erika is a 20.01 year old girl, has been a member since November 27, 2006, has scored 2397 submissions, giving an average score of 1.83.
  Feb 20 '07 by nesbittie        48 Comments        Watch this      Share:  Share on facebook    Share on delicious    Share on digg    Share on MySpace    Tweet this    Stumble this    Share this on Kaboodle   
i dont mean to be offensive, and theres lots of tshirts that i dont personally like on here. but this is the first one ive actually found horrible.... and its not the colour.

sonmi
   sonmi on Feb 20 '07 at 1:12am
if you don't mean to offend, then why call something "horrible"? obviously no one likes hearing that about their work.
sonmi
   sonmi on Feb 20 '07 at 1:13am
unless someone intended to get remarks such as "horrible" on their work, but i doubt this artist did...
peater
peater on Feb 20 '07 at 1:15am
To each her own. But what exactly do you aim to redress? Threadless's taste in shirts?
valorandvellum
   valorandvellum on Feb 20 '07 at 1:17am
What sonmi said. Would you honestly say that to the designer's face? Because they might end up reading this.
The Crackers
The Crackers on Feb 20 '07 at 1:17am
what has Nigel Evan Dennis won on this site? just wondering

sonmi
   sonmi on Feb 20 '07 at 1:18am
he was an outside artist nominated to do a select tee.
snacktivity
snacktivity on Feb 20 '07 at 1:19am
Sometimes they pick people who are big in the design scene, and those most commonly are the least well-received of the shirts.
The Crackers
The Crackers on Feb 20 '07 at 1:21am
oh cool,
goldensara
goldensara on Feb 20 '07 at 1:22am
I find blogs like this just ridiculous...unless something is clearly in bad tase (as in offensive on a moral basis), then its just ridiculous that anyone would complain about it!!

Come On!!

This isnt the only shirt on this site, knock yourself out buying all the shirts you do like, but there are people out there who happen to like this shirt.

No more blogging about shirts you "dont like".

The Crackers
The Crackers on Feb 20 '07 at 1:22am
i guess the designers who have won on the site, seem to know the feel of what the threadless community likes
taz-pie
taz-pie on Feb 20 '07 at 1:22am
i think it is beautiful!
goldensara
goldensara on Feb 20 '07 at 1:23am
I second that taz-pie.
sonmi
   sonmi on Feb 20 '07 at 1:25am
i don't agree with people who say blogs like these are "a necessity." it just gives out bad vibes. especially with these select tees, when the artists aren't familiar with threadless itself. blogs like these just give them a bad impression of the community.
peater
peater on Feb 20 '07 at 1:35am
to be honest, I'm not a big fan of this shirt either. but saying so doesn't accomplish anything, save ill will.
r.o.b.o.t.i.c.octopus
   r.o.b.o.t.i.c.octopus on Feb 20 '07 at 1:43am
unfortunately the internet is a place of annonymity and in such, people thing they can curse anything they deem cursable...this is not the case here, as "horrible" a perfectly acceptable word to use in regard to this or any other design. it is a free forum and a free country (where threadless is based anyway). I have kept it to myself and a few pals online and off regarding shirts i detest, i don't blog about it.

but why not? voicing a frustration in something, namely a product of a company you support, is a reasonable thing to do.

as a designer, when i hear people be malicious about my work, is when i am offended, even more offended when they are indifferent to it.

the bad vibes really are cyclical in this situation.

nesbittie says something "negative" and the people who get offended do so VERY EASILY, WAY TOO EASILY in fact.

and do you really think that THIS is what leaves a bad impression about the blogs? i don't. there's a lot of elitism here, some call it community, but to those that are not INSIDE already, and voice an opposing opinion, or even any opinion sometimes are met with exclusion.

it seems in order to be a part of this comminity one must post compliments only and insincere flirtations et al. that's observation from a few years being here... and before any of you blast me for being here for a month, i have another account. doi.

but really, community doesn't mean no one should say anything "negative". it doesn't mean they should be jerks either. and that goes to those who offend and are offended (often the offended seem to have many raw nerves exposed and for NIL reason).

r.o.b.o.t.i.c.octopus
   r.o.b.o.t.i.c.octopus on Feb 20 '07 at 1:43am
think not thing
tipsyharlequin
tipsyharlequin on Feb 20 '07 at 3:52am
I think this shirt is fine. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Jeez
peater
peater on Feb 20 '07 at 4:07am
^yup. it's really that simple.
Brett F.
Brett F. on Feb 20 '07 at 6:48am
i'm with you on this one. "if you don't like it, don't buy it"

sure, but you're entitled to your opinion, and you may express it goddammit. i hate that people get mad at for telling you saying how you feel.

i think it's ugly too, i'm with you.
peace
pistolpete
pistolpete on Feb 20 '07 at 9:47am
If anything, after seeing the artist's website, I think he could have simply put some more time into designing the shirt. When given the freedom of a select tee, one would think you would want to take advantage of it. Given that its designed for a t-shirt, there's no clear focus on shape. Movement, balance, unity, and emphasis also feel neglected.
tesco
   tesco on Feb 20 '07 at 10:00am
woah pistol pete shoots from the hip! I think it's pretty good, but not amazing.
sonmi
   sonmi on Feb 20 '07 at 10:53am
robotic- i'm saying i know personally that a few artists who have had select shirts put out on threadless, now have a bad impression of the community based on blogs like these. i'm not even going into "insiders" or whatever elitism you're trying to bring into this.

i was expecting my comment to be retorted with "it's a free country." that's such an easy ultimatum, isn't it.

i find pistolpete's critique on the shirt to be fine, though. i'm not against people not liking a shirt. i just prefer a little tact sometimes.
Vintagepoet000
Vintagepoet000 on Feb 20 '07 at 10:57am
You've got a right to your opinion... Don't know why people are making such a big deal about this blog...

people are allowed to comment on shirts, even if the comments aren't compliments
sonmi
   sonmi on Feb 20 '07 at 10:59am
poet, if nesbittie has the right to voice her opinion, then i have the right to disbute her, just as you have the right to disbute my disbute... it can go on and on.
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Feb 20 '07 at 11:00am
cunty
seagrass
seagrass on Feb 20 '07 at 11:18am
Ah yes...another day, another hideously ugly Select tee. Sometimes I think that Threadless prints up these tees from "professionals" just to prove that the "amateurs" are better designers.
Ismene
Ismene on Feb 20 '07 at 12:21pm
I adore this tshirt, the colours are perfect. It's extremely beatiful
valorandvellum
   valorandvellum on Feb 20 '07 at 12:26pm
I completely agree about using tact to voice your opinion. Imagine that your best friend made this shirt. Sure, you might not like it... but you would find a different way of wording how you feel about it. Use the same discretion for everybody.
lemonalle
lemonalle on Feb 20 '07 at 12:30pm
I have no problem with people saying they don't like a shirt... but at least say something insightful about why... the generic, dismissive "this shirt sucks" blogs ARE annoying. Somebody obviously put some time into this design so put some time into your response to it.
caseys_penguin
caseys_penguin on Feb 20 '07 at 12:55pm
i will have to agree with lemonalle on this one, if you don't like a specific shirt and would like to voice your opinion, at least have some backbone to your argument here. don't just say a 4 word sentance, because that's very brief and to the point, lacking a lot of argumentation reasons to make people pick apart your opinion and cause controvercy over a small subject. but if you only came onto here to say one sentance such as "this shirt sucks", what was your reasoning for saying something like that? just to be a jerk, or a rebel? if that is the case go somewhere else, but if you have some backround to your argument then we would be willing to listen to your opinion.
tracerbullet
   tracerbullet on Feb 20 '07 at 12:57pm
I agree with lemonalle by default.
tracerbullet
   tracerbullet on Feb 20 '07 at 12:58pm
(Fun fact: My original reply to this blog was gonna be "Oh yeah? Well so are you, but you don't see us complaining!" But then I thought better of it.)
skafiend007
skafiend007 on Feb 20 '07 at 12:58pm
You must only say good things about shirts on this site.
tracerbullet
   tracerbullet on Feb 20 '07 at 12:58pm
oops
J-Ray
J-Ray on Feb 20 '07 at 12:59pm
It's not Threadless usual style. It's better!
alacyt
alacyt on Feb 20 '07 at 1:01pm
Ever hear of constructive criticism?

skafiend007
skafiend007 on Feb 20 '07 at 1:04pm
As for the "backing up your arguement" argument, not sure how that works with design. It isn't like a book, where you can say this character was unbelivable, or a movie where you can say the action was phony ("No way a guy could outrun a fireball that big.") This is "art" so I guess it only has to appeal to you visulally. I suppose you could get specific and say you don't like the colors or the placment, but then someone might say, "Well what's wrong with pink?" and then you get into a whole other thing. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I, personally, can accept someone saying they simply don't like something when it comes to art because I assume they mean it doesn't appeal to them visually.


Althought "horrible" IS pretty strong.... I usually reserve that for, I dunno, war...
pistolpete
pistolpete on Feb 20 '07 at 2:14pm
If I may wax intellectual for a moment, I find it disturbing to hear about any form of artistic expression being reduced to only the issue of appeal. Visual Design hinges on the existence of criticism and principles. The most popular shirts aren't merely "visually appealing" and thats it. They possess successful execution of design principles and color theory. The moment thats excluded, one demonstrates that she/he really doesn't know what she/he is talking about. Give the strong designers their dues when it comes to their ability. Don't just chalk it up to some vague quality of appeal. We need to encourage analysis of the designs that people create so that the designers can build on the feedback. Whether its a gripe or a compliment, if its supported analytically its positive.
pistolpete
pistolpete on Feb 20 '07 at 2:17pm
sorry, I forgot to close my bold tag. I promise I wasn't yelling.

:)
skafiend007
skafiend007 on Feb 20 '07 at 2:19pm
Visual Design hinges on the existence of criticism and principles. The most popular shirts aren't merely "visually appealing" and thats it. They possess successful execution of design principles and color theory.

Not to the average customer who, believe it or not, may not have a degree in graphic deisgn. If you only want to sell shirts to other grahic designers, fine. But if not, prepare for your work to boil down to whether the person buying it likes the way it looks or not.
victimofopportunity
victimofopportunity on Feb 20 '07 at 2:21pm
if you don't like it, keep it to yourself 'cause I for one don't care about your taste in shirts.
skafiend007
skafiend007 on Feb 20 '07 at 2:22pm
if you don't like it, keep it to yourself ...

It's the American way!
canadianbeaver
canadianbeaver on Feb 20 '07 at 2:24pm
Hate it? Knock yourself out. Hope you are buying one that you really like.
r.o.b.o.t.i.c.octopus
   r.o.b.o.t.i.c.octopus on Feb 20 '07 at 6:26pm
so it's the word "horrible" (which is pretty much a summary of a longer more in depth critique) that you find to be tactless?

here's what a hard critique is really like:


wimbels
wimbels on Feb 20 '07 at 6:30pm
Then don't buy it! No one is forcing you. Why get so offended that they're selling this shirt?
truxdat
truxdat on Feb 20 '07 at 6:34pm
my art teacher says that art is visually offensive...it makes you look at the work, even if you don't always want to.
I may not like this shirt, but as a work of art,
it is visually offensive, not in a bad way.
...
i don't remember where I was going with that, but seriously...
r.o.b.o.t.i.c.octopus
   r.o.b.o.t.i.c.octopus on Feb 20 '07 at 10:10pm
i must disagree with the whole "printed shirts = knowledge about design and colour theory"...yes some...no some...you can't say all.
16 days later
nesbittie
nesbittie on Mar 09 '07 at 3:02am
hahaha. i just read all these comments. i havnt been on in ages. get over it guys it was just me commenting coz i had nothing else to do. im not against people who like this shirt . i was just wondering why threadless printd it coz i dont consider it any good, its not just not my thing i just dont think its good. but as many people on here have said, its each to their own so all you people loving this shirt go right ahead. i was just adding my 2 cents.
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