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steviec
steviec aka Stephen is a 35.81 year old boy, has been a member since July 18, 2006, has scored 2088 submissions, giving an average score of 1.10.
  Jun 13 '07 by steviec        12 Comments        Watch this      Share:  Share on facebook    Share on delicious    Share on digg    Share on MySpace    Tweet this    Stumble this    Share this on Kaboodle   
A friend made this claim today and I thought he was kidding...apparently not.

State Department records detail that the CIA did pay the Dalai Lama's organisation of Tibetan exiles about $1.7 million a year from 1959 until between 1969-72. The money was to fund the anti-China insurgency (that eventually failed) and was discontinued after Nixon normalised relations with the PRC in '72.

There are claims that the Dalai Lama himself was also paid an annual stipend of $180k! Wow! The Dalai Lama has refused to comment on the CIA involvement, but the Tibetan Guerilla group, chushigangdruk, run by his brother, Gyalo Thondup, confirm that they received aid and military training for their activities in Camp Hale Colorado.

Here's the NYTimes article that was one of many journals to report the claim.

This is quite shocking and difficult to accept. The Dalai Lama is touring Australia at the moment, speaking to various politicians, and the Prime Minister is being pressured to meet with him.

I'm not sure what I think of him anymore....


steviec
steviec on Jun 13 '07 at 6:34am
That link is for NYT subscribers only so I dug it up from the library:

The Dalai Lama's administration acknowledged today that it received $1.7 million a year in the 1960's from the Central Intelligence Agency, but denied reports that the Tibetan leader benefited personally from an annual subsidy of $180,000.

The money allocated for the resistance movement was spent on training volunteers and paying for guerrilla operations against the Chinese, the Tibetan government-in-exile said in a statement. It added that the subsidy earmarked for the Dalai Lama was spent on setting up offices in Geneva and New York and on international lobbying.

The Dalai Lama, 63, a revered spiritual leader both in his Himalayan homeland and in Western nations, fled Tibet in 1959 after a failed uprising against a Chinese military occupation, which began in 1950.

The decade-long covert program to support the Tibetan independence movement was part of the C.I.A.'s worldwide effort to undermine Communist governments, particularly in the Soviet Union and China.
Copyright New York Times Company Oct 2, 1998
Credit: AP
ilovetomasb
ilovetomasb on Jun 13 '07 at 6:38am
how did u kno i was a cia agent?

my effing grandma has such a big mouth
steviec
steviec on Jun 13 '07 at 6:40am
Your Grandma's been on the payroll since Ike was Prez!
Melikochan
Melikochan on Jun 13 '07 at 8:26am
He spoke at my college about a month ago... It was amazing. He just had this effect over all of us the second he stepped onto the stage.

This happened forty years ago. Circumstances were different then, and this seems to be soon after the PRC invaded Tibet. This doesn't change my opinion on the Dalai Lama at all.
steviec
steviec on Jun 13 '07 at 9:18am
I really thought my mate was pulling my leg! It's just one of those weird stories that occasionally turn out to be true.
jenraskopf
jenraskopf on Jun 13 '07 at 9:23am
If you know about what the Chinese government is doing to destroy the culture of Tibet, you would understand a sense of any-means-necessary. I'm not saying it's right, but it's very sad what is going on.
BlameTheSuburbs
   BlameTheSuburbs on Jun 13 '07 at 9:32am
I don't blame him, but he has said in the past that he's 100% against violent resistance if I'm not mistaken.
13strong
13strong on Jun 13 '07 at 9:36am
Thing is though, the money going to active resistance groups, and the money going to him, may not be to aid the same ends. More likely that the money given by the US to the Dalai Lama was for lobbying and public relations work, to publicise the situation in the country. It seems unlikely (though not impossible) that the Dalai Lama would use the money for violent ends.

I mean, he hasn't set foot in Tibet in decades anyway.

And the US govt was willing to fund anyone working to undermine a Communist government.
13strong
13strong on Jun 13 '07 at 9:37am
Sorry - may not be to aid the same MEANS. Same ends, obviously.

I seem to remember a friend of mine telling me recently that the Dalai Lama has publicly stated that Tibetan independence is somewhat of a lost cause.
Melikochan
Melikochan on Jun 13 '07 at 9:44am
Unless the UN actually acknowledges the complete destruction to the Tibetan culture going on in Tibet, and then does something to act upon it, it IS a lost cause.

China claims that historically, Tibet has been a part of China, which is complete crap -- Tibet grew as an independent culture. At some point a few hundred years ago, China came along and was like "oh uh hey we want to own this" and Tibet was like, "whatever dudes," but China didn't actually act upon anything and left Tibet be until last century. Why Tibet? China wanted natural resources, and since they invaded Tibet they've run rampant with deforestation.

Anyway, didn't mean to rant but it's kind of a touchy subject for me -- I'm strongly pro-Tibet.
13strong
13strong on Jun 13 '07 at 9:49am
What's happening in Tibet has happened in a lot of places, and it's never right.

Thing is though, considering China's growing stature, and it's position on the UN Security Council, as well as the relative support it receives from Russia, it's pretty much accepted that the UN ain't gonna do shit.

And no one else is going to step in - there isn't enough blood involved in the Tibetan situation (more a gradual and consistent degradation of culture and human rights). Plus, there's no material gain as such for any country with the clout to take humanitarian action. And most of the West doesn't give a crap about Tibet, so that's the public support gone, too.

It's pretty sad.
Melikochan
Melikochan on Jun 13 '07 at 5:14pm
Yeah, it's incredibly sad... Especially when you consider what's going to happen with the current Dalai Lama dies. Most people accept that he's going to be the last.
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