NThisStyle_10_6
NThisStyle_10_6 aka Lauren has been a member since June 13, 2006, has scored 1749 submissions, giving an average score of 1.98.
  Jun 04 '07 by NThisStyle_10_6        11 Comments        Watch this
While I accept that this will probably get read by a small percentage of the people who really need to hear it, I hope that it will make enough of an impact on enough people that some change begins to occur.

For those of you who don't know, Threadless has recently added the "critique" feature to their website. This allows people who are unsure of the quality of their design to submit their design for feedback from the community, so that they can make changes and improvements before submitting it to the same community for voting. This feature is under-used and a lot of fairly poor designs make it to the voting community without first going through a critique process that, I believe, is quite healthy.

When a design is in for voting, there is a comment area in which many people enjoy tearing a design apart and informing the artist, and the rest of the community, how the design could be improved. Sadly, once a design has reached the vote level, there isn't much that can be changed, except that the artist can go back and re-work the design and resubmit as something else.

The resub has a very, very negative connotation. If an artist admits to resubmitting a design, it is not long before a member of the community points out that, among the reasons for declining a submission, threadless takes a general, "If it didn't work the first time, try something new" approach. This doesn't mean that all resubmissions are bad, whatever some people think. If a design has evolved far enough from the original, it is perfectly acceptable to resubmit it, preferably under a different title and without the disclaimer, "this is a resub..."

That said, one of the best ways to keep people from having to resubmit designs is to simply provide useful, preferably polite, and constructive criticism in the critiques section of the blog forum. This allows people to make changes to their designs and to submit only their best work for voting.

If more people would utilize the critiques forum, fewer poor designs would ever be submitted for voting.

In a critique, there is some standard of etiquitte that should be respected:

1.) Be Polite!
Seriously, guys. How difficult is it to not say that you think that this design should be trampled by rabit elephants? Criticism is always appreciated when it is provided in a kind, helpful manner. It does nothing but cut down an artist to say that you think that their design is worthless and that they should drop art and take up cricket as their hobby.

2.) Say What You Actually Think.
Some of you might say, "but if I say what I actually think, then it's not going to be polite." So, I will modify 2.) to read, "Say what you actually think within the confines of being polite." Criticism is extremely helpful, but you don't have to agree with everyone. As an artist, it is frustrating to have 5 people tell you that the same thing should be done in 17 different ways, but it's better to have their views in critique and to be able to take their views and execute some of them (and make reasonable decisions regarding your own style/concept/work/etc.) than it is to have to go through the miserable process of a resub, which will then be voted against due entirely and only to the fact that it is a resub.

3.) Don't Arbitrarily Tell People Their Design Needs Work.
One of the most frustrating things in a critique is to have people come through and click that their design needs work, or, for that matter, that they shouldn't submit, without them providing some sort of clarification as to what they think should be changed. If you don't like the design, don't be rude, but do provide what you think could be improved. If you don't have time to write a short critique (one or two sentences is enough, generally), don't click the "needs work" or "don't submit" button. Instead, bookmark the page and come back later with some helpful advice.

Besides this, I would encourage more people to use the critique feature, as it would lower the number of poor submissions in the running, and it would give designers the ability to work out the kinks in their designs before submitting it to the vipers that are the voting community.

Sorry for being so long-winded. I hope that this helps some of you.
-L

chelly
chelly on Jun 04 '07 at 1:50pm
is this taken from the blog on how to rate subs?
ninja.bassist
ninja.bassist on Jun 04 '07 at 1:50pm
Your blog needs work.

JK

I hope people will actually read this and add some new members to the critiquers.
Sgt.Dobad
Sgt.Dobad on Jun 04 '07 at 1:54pm
what are 'rabit elephants'?
NThisStyle_10_6
NThisStyle_10_6 on Jun 04 '07 at 2:24pm
Rabid elephants would be elephants with rabies... might make for an interesting design ;).

I don't generally blog, so if it needs work, then... so be it. I don't know if I'll post anything else; I don't know if this will have any effect. So there. ((::is mature::))

I never saw a blog about how to rate subs because I don't generally sit around reading them, but I'm quite weary of people tearing apart submissions that have been sitting in the critiques for upwards of a week or two.

(responses from bottom to top, because that's how I proccessed the questions.)
mj00
mj00 on Jun 04 '07 at 3:16pm
I disagree with some of this. I think it's perfectly acceptable to click "needs work" or "don't submit" without commenting. Sometimes there is literally nothing positive to say- I'd rather say nothing than say that the idea, execution and skill level all suck.
NThisStyle_10_6
NThisStyle_10_6 on Jun 04 '07 at 3:22pm
Mjoo, I agree that it's better to say nothing than to say that the idea, execution and skill level all suck, but, from the perspective of one whose desgins are up for critique, it is far more frustrating to have people click the "needs work" box without giving any direction toward the kind of work it needs.

That said, "don't submit" would be more appropriately clicked without an explanation than would "needs work." But, I honestly think that you just shouldn't click one or the other if you can't provide some sort of helpful criticism, even if that criticism is in the form of, "I really think you need to go all the way back to the drawing board with this idea/style/concept/illustration/etc."
helo
helo on Jun 04 '07 at 3:37pm
I wish Threadless had a system which rewards people
for giving quality critiques in the Critique section.
Maybe something like the designer being able to give out
10% of a Street Team point to the top 5 critiques of their
design or some kind recognition set up. Something that
will make us want to comment on designs being worked
on. Maybe Threadless should remove the check boxes so
people will more likely to leave a comment.

The Critique section doesn't have the same fun atmosphere
that the rest of Threadless has. I bet if Threadless staff
hung out there dropping comments here and there more
people would follow their lead, but that would tough on
those already there working on other things. Maybe there
could be some new Threadless employees who just help out
in the Critique section with critiques and keep things
civil. Oh well, I'm just jabbering. I haven't really thought
through my thoughts.
NThisStyle_10_6
NThisStyle_10_6 on Jun 04 '07 at 11:37pm
I appreciate the comment. I really like and appreciate the opportunity that the critiques give us to work through the process of producing a finished piece. So much of what I see in the voting area on a regular basis would be good if they'd just had someone to say, "WAIT!!! It's not finished!!!!"

But, alas.

I agree that some sort of reward would be nice, but I don't know what good that would do for the staff. Also, I am a late-enough comer to this community that I'm only slowly learning who the staffers and who the regulars and who the people-who-are-just-now-starting-to-be-a-part-of-the-community are.

That said, I like the critique pages. I have design up right now.
squidgy.m
squidgy.m on Jun 06 '07 at 1:16am
How do I get to the Critique section!?!
NThisStyle_10_6
NThisStyle_10_6 on Jun 06 '07 at 12:25pm
Critiques [a green tab second from the last on the top])

I think that that is underpublicized, and I wish it were easier to find. It took me quite some time to get to it, myself.
NThisStyle_10_6
NThisStyle_10_6 on Jun 06 '07 at 12:26pm
Okay. That last post thought that I entered HTML, and I didn't.

One more time:

Click Participate
then "Blog Forum"
then "Critiques", which is the green tab second from the last on top.

Sorry about that.
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