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spires aka James is a 27.83 year old boy, has been a member since May 13, 2006, has scored 5143 submissions, giving an average score of 2.58.

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Jan 23 '08 by spires

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I still support Ron Paul

Even though some of you guys were willing to be convinced that he's a racist or crazy or mean to gay people.

The truth is that you can be personally disinclined to rally around man love, but not want laws against it. Likewise with all behavior. Just because you are unwilling to pass a law for something, does not mean you favor a law banning it. Such thinking is evidence of a statist, caged and pitiful mind. Likewise, Paul criticized by the entire GOP establishment for not being a lifestyle-nazi like the rest of them.

For instance, there is no reason to specifically recognize any marriage, homosexual or heterosexual or otherwise because it is a private matter between private people. The answer is to depoliticize all marriage.

Also, if you think your one little state would be more oppressive than the entire federal leviathan, and believe that one-size-fits-all decrees for 300 million people are a rational, free way to organize society, than you are likely uncritical; it takes a relentless pride in one's transient public brainwashing to believe such obvious falsehoods. However, I would personally like to see the abolition of all states, but the president cannot effect that change.

In this sense is my supporting Paul, a compromise.

Likewise if you believe that your neighbor is incapable of safely owning firearms, but the entire murderous industrial/military controlled police-state edifice is capable and justified having assualt teams and nukes, then you lack perspective and cannot be, in my opinion, taken seriously. Only governments commit genocide, and usually always against disarmed peoples.

Moving on, a libertarian is incapable of racism; collectivism of any sort has no place in an individualistic philosophy which sees people as each an end in himself. A leftist who believes I should be forced to pay for things I care not to, or believes in racial quotas, or believes in forced association, or believes in socialism generally, has no merit whatever lecturing anyone on individualism or individual rights.

I am scared for the future because most people see solutions in government, where none are to be found. I am further worried, because generally, artists are supposed to have the accurate social antennae in society, as they have in previous times. I care about the future of humanity very much. However, I see a frightful faith in politics and coercive means that leaves no justice or prosperity; that tears people apart; that subjugates you for your own good.

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Pizazz on Jan 23 '08 at 2:36pm

yeah, he's still pretty cool.

Tess Fondie on Jan 23 '08 at 2:37pm

i just don't get his whole view that he is going to abolish all taxes... taxes suck but they are necessary. he totally lost me right there

ryanwho on Jan 23 '08 at 2:43pm

That's because you've never seen a true conservative before. Neo-cons couldn't abolish taxes they spend more than anyone. When he says that, he's referring to federal taxes. The great thing about having a true conservative in office is no more "big ideas" coming to fruition because individual states have more power. That's also the bad thing. Though not right now, there are no great "big ideas" right now being offered up, so I'll take this instead.

HiiHills on Jan 23 '08 at 4:37pm

i support dr. ron paul 100%

mindtrance on Jan 24 '08 at 12:58pm

ditto

shirtflirt on Jan 24 '08 at 1:00pm

all i want is the us to focus on the us
and bring forth a reliable economic plan to help resolve our current financial mess
one without a lot of previous political ties too

tracerbullet on Jan 24 '08 at 1:07pm

i've got nothing against paul. i still think he's cool. in all likelihood i'll still be voting democratic, though.

tracerbullet on Jan 24 '08 at 1:07pm

are you sure you're not thinking of huckabee, tess? huckabee suggested a flat tax in place of federal income tax and such.

mindtrance on Jan 24 '08 at 1:08pm

TESS: This might clear up the tax thing...

economy RP

gtoast99 on Jan 24 '08 at 1:11pm

“[O]ur country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists—and they can be identified by the color of their skin.”

“I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city [Washington, D.C.] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

“We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational.”

"If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."

"Blacks have "civil riqhts," preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black beauty contests, black tv shows, black tv anchors, black scholorships and colleges, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda."

"order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks."

"“Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities.”

"Am I the only one sick of hearing about the 'rights' of AIDS carriers?"

And he referred to Martin Luther King, Jr. a "pro-Communist philanderer."

Paul has since confirmed that all of the above (and more) did in fact come out in his newsletter. He claims that he wasn't the author (despite the articles written in the first person, and in at least one case ending in a Christmas greeting from Paul and his wife). Even if he didn't write them, the fact that he allowed so many racist and homophobic quotes to be released under his names shows a serious lack of leadership ability.

My $0.02

mindtrance on Jan 24 '08 at 1:23pm

gtoast... once again you are quoting from a source that has been proven to not be his words.

mindtrance on Jan 24 '08 at 1:24pm

...but don't worry as a supporter of RP I won't go to your level and call you a moron. You've done quite enough to prove my point in other blogs. :)

gtoast99 on Jan 24 '08 at 1:24pm

It hasn't been proven to not be his words. The only thing saying it isn't his writing is him. But that isn't even the point. Reread my last paragraph.

gtoast99 on Jan 24 '08 at 1:25pm

Ohh... i see what you did there, with the non-insult insult. Tricky! Maybe I should switch my vote thanks to your crafty use of language and your obviously superior intellect. :-P

mindtrance on Jan 24 '08 at 1:26pm

dude, I could go out right now and write a newsletter and publish it from you... without an official seal or something it's not legit.

Everything he's ever published as his words has been quoted as him or he accepted credit. There was already a letter posted about this from an inmate that saying it was him and 8 others that wrote the newsletter.

It's old news dude... you are misinformed.

gtoast99 on Jan 24 '08 at 1:29pm

Via CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/

"Paul said the editor of publications "is responsible for daily activities." But he also cited "transition" and "changes" and said that some people were hired to write stories "but I didn't know their names."

And THAT'S my point. Even if he DIDN'T write it, he had NO IDEA who was writing things in HIS NAME. And I can't justifying voting for a politician to run a country if he's proven he can't run his own newsletter.

Ellsswhere on Jan 24 '08 at 1:29pm

whether or not a single one of those quotes is from his mouth/hand or even a thought in his head, do you really think that george bush, extremely wealthy and stupid presidents son does not think them as well, if anything ron paul was at the least being honest if the statements are true

maddingo on Jan 24 '08 at 1:33pm

indeed mr gtoast,

It doesn't matter if RP wrote that nonsense or not the very fact that in the very "best" case RP was too incompetent to manage a small newsletter with His name on the top, is enough to rule him out as a viable choice to be president of the United States.

shirtflirt on Jan 24 '08 at 1:34pm

yeah but the television told me george bush was ok?

gtoast99 on Jan 24 '08 at 1:34pm

Ellsswhere-
So you'd be ok with voting for a racist, just because Bush was a bad president? Wow, oooo-kay.

And for mindtrace, the above isn't saying that I think Ron wrote the letters, it's responding to Ellsswhere's assertion that it wouldn't matter if he were an outright racist, so long as he isn't GWB.

mindtrance on Jan 24 '08 at 1:36pm

"is enough to rule him out as a viable choice to be president of the United States."

So that makes George Bush who's Grandfather has ties with Hitler... okay to put in office 2 times in a row?

Your logic is fuzzy at best.

shirtflirt on Jan 24 '08 at 1:36pm

again, dingo, if managing things is a way to vote in presidents, how exactly did bush get in with his track record. that dunce couldn't run a baseball team. or an already thriving oil company.

but you're right, these words show more leadership than actually leading.

mindtrance on Jan 24 '08 at 1:36pm

p.s. RP isn't a racist... the newsletter author is.

maddingo on Jan 24 '08 at 1:37pm

~~~
So that makes George Bush who's Grandfather has ties with Hitler... okay to put in office 2 times in a row?
~~

you make an enormous and erroneous leap in assuming that i think GWBush was or is a acceptable choice.

maddingo on Jan 24 '08 at 1:39pm

y'all are wasting your time... RP has absolutely no chance what so ever.

the only thing he can do ... is run as an independent (after failing to get the Republican nomination) and snipe votes from the Republican candidate (mostly republican votes)

and sorta be teh "anti-nader" of 08

mindtrance on Jan 24 '08 at 1:41pm

The First U.S. Congress voted to pay George Washington a salary of $25,000 a year, about $566,000 in 2007 terms. Washington, already a wealthy man, refused to accept his salary; however, he asked for his living expenses to be covered. Theodore Roosevelt spent his entire $50,000 salary on entertaining guests at the White House.[8] John F. Kennedy donated his salary to charities.[9]

Traditionally, the president is the highest-paid public employee. President Bush currently earns $400,000 per year, along with a $50,000 expense account, a $100,000 nontaxable travel account, and $19,000 for entertainment.

Ellsswhere on Jan 24 '08 at 1:41pm

no no no no mang, you misunderstand, im saying that i believe that 95% of the wealthy white peeps who run our country are most likely racist and so we have a racist president right now, voting in a new president that is racist would be no different, only that he was caught in the act, by no means am i saying anyone but bush, but at the same time, how can we really move down the ladder when we are already standing on the bottom rung of the ladder

shirtflirt on Jan 24 '08 at 1:42pm

if enough people who don't have a chance amass a chance forms.

but judging the way the system works, it'll be a democrat as president.

mindtrance on Jan 24 '08 at 1:42pm

There is a perfect example of what RP stands for... the first presidents worked for free... because they loved their country and believed in hard work.

The recent few want to line their pockets.

gtoast99 on Jan 24 '08 at 1:42pm

maddingo-
I see the "anti-nader" scenario as a real enough possibility that I'm willing to waste my debating Paul supporters. I'll be voting republican in the next election, and I'd like them to win.

...

Unless it's Huckabee. lol

mindtrance on Jan 24 '08 at 1:43pm

People telling us that we can't win so don't bother and the mass media ignoring the fact that RP just won SECOND in LA, just makes us work even harder dude.

shirtflirt on Jan 24 '08 at 1:45pm

i just fear and laugh at the same time people who vote party based before hearing all of the canidates speak and explain their points.

i'd say that's a big a part of the system as any.

snaggle tooth on Jan 24 '08 at 1:45pm

Romney-Paul 08

maddingo on Jan 24 '08 at 1:45pm

gtoast

yeah I'm thinking "anti-nader" is indeed a real possibility

I could be voting either Dem or Republican

most likely to vote Republican if it is McCain who get the nomination.

mindtrance on Jan 24 '08 at 1:45pm

p.s.s. - this morning RP had 8900 leaders in 8500 precincts and now it's like 11500 in 10400... 2000 more people are now precinct leaders for his cause... 2000 people a day x how many days until elections?

He has a fighting chance.

maddingo on Jan 24 '08 at 1:50pm

www.theilluminatiareyourfriendsdonotbeafraidoftheilluminati.gov

says no ... no chance for RP

gtoast99 on Jan 24 '08 at 1:50pm

shirtflirt-
If you're referring to my "I'm voting republican" commment, I should have added "given the candidates in this election". I don't like any of the dems still running, although I did like Biden while he was still in. I'd take any republican in the running today over them, although I like some more than others. I'd have a hard time voting for Huckabee, and would probably just sit out.

mindtrace-
The delegate count currently stands at:
Romney 72
McCain 38
Huckabee 29
Thompson 8 (now out)
Paul 6
Guiliani 2
Hunter 1 (now out).
Thad's be one heck of a comeback!

Ellsswhere on Jan 24 '08 at 1:51pm

i just think its mucked that there are only 3 true choices, democrat/republican/independent
for the next 4 years im stuck with someone that i really didn't choose, america doesnt care or even pay attention to politics as is, why not remove the party system and just let everyone run

mindtrance on Jan 24 '08 at 1:52pm

Those aren't updated to be current, and look at your source... cnn? It's a mass media site the same mass media that hasn't been giving him any exposure at all.

It's cool though, believe everything you see on TV.

shirtflirt on Jan 24 '08 at 1:52pm

your comment reminded me of that fact, but wasnt only directed at you. i know too many people who vote that way.

shirtflirt on Jan 24 '08 at 1:53pm

another proplem with teh system is only having two parties.

they should just get real and tell us who will be our president.

mindtrance on Jan 24 '08 at 1:57pm

America loves team based sports... Dem vs Rep is like the Superbowl. We thrive on conflict and then complain about it.

shirtflirt on Jan 24 '08 at 1:57pm

america loves dichotomy

keeps it easy on the brain cells

gtoast99 on Jan 24 '08 at 1:59pm

"i know too many people who vote that way."
Agreed!

mindtrace-
feel free to find me a more reliable source :)

spires on Jan 24 '08 at 2:08pm

"Moving on, a libertarian is incapable of racism; collectivism of any sort has no place in an individualistic philosophy which sees people as each an end in himself. A leftist who believes I should be forced to pay for things I care not to, or believes in racial quotas, or believes in forced association, or believes in socialism generally, has no merit whatever lecturing anyone on individualism or individual rights."

If you can show how a libertarian can be a collectivist, and how racism isn't collectivist, give it your best shot.

Also, you might want to read Why the beltway liber(warmongering fascist phony lifestyle corporate funded)tarians are trying to smear Ron Paul.

Justin Raimondo threw the racism argument in the trash and pissed on it. I mean, read that article and try again.

gtoast99 on Jan 24 '08 at 2:13pm

I didn't say he was a racist. I said he was an idiot who can't manage a simple newsletter, let alone a country. Try again. :-P

mindtrance on Jan 24 '08 at 2:16pm

George Bush can't even speak english with his college education but he's been doing it for the last 2 terms. There are much worse choices you can make than RP.

spires on Jan 24 '08 at 2:17pm

well, even if that's true, you are disregarding an entire career in congress worth of experience. Obviously that wouldn't happen now.

Seems like a grudge to me.

gtoast99 on Jan 24 '08 at 2:22pm

Mindtrace-
I don't know if you missed this, it was big news a while back. You see, George Bush, you know the president? Well, he's already been president. Twice. And guess what?

He's not running again!

So if the best argument you have to convince me to vote for Ron Paul is "it's better than voting for Bush", you need to check your priorities again.

Spires-
I'm not disregarding an entire career in congress. Nonetheless, if he can't keep an eye on what's said in his name as a politician, how can we trust him to keep an eye on what's coming out under his name as The President of the United States.

mindtrance on Jan 24 '08 at 2:51pm

Because he has people that bring him everything that goes out under his name as President and not as a Congressman?

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