I think that it also went with the assumption that no one would have sex until after they were married. If you did, you were a prostitute, so it'd still be bad to be single and pregnant. That's why she had to get married.

yep that's about it...also the regard of Mary being greater than or equal to christ is a catholic concept that came about with the sole intent on "expanding" their territory to Celtic territories in the UK and elswehere. when the celts said they already had a god and a goddess, the pope though to be clever and wrote a bull stating that all those of the catholic faith would pray to mary first and regard her as the "mother of god". the pope's plan worked because the celts fell for it.

this info doesn't discount god, or christ or true christianity...it discounts religion.

you have a giant hole in your logic.

even if virgin mary = un-wed mary it would in no way mean the was single and pregnant - it would just mean she was unwed which is true

I had to take a theology course too, and we were told that the Greek word for 'virgin' just meant 'nubile'.

nekoama - it did NOT in fact come with an assumption that you wouldn't have sex until after marriage. THAT was a Puritan idea created about 1700 yars after the "virgin" Mary. The virgin Mary lived in Roman times, when orgies were common and homosexuality was considered as normal as heterosexuality. It wasn't until modern Christianity was founded (long after Jesus had died, and by no one who actually knew Jesus) and then formalized by Constantine that the conservative "rules" about marriage and sex started to feel like they had been around since biblical times. It's no surprise that Mary has become a virgin over the centuries, because that's a way for teachers of the bible and religious leaders to hold her up as an example of how purity can reward you (i.e. it's a way of controlling religious people to do what the leaders feel is moral and right) in that Mary was a "virgin" and look what she was given --- the son of God. It's an interesting subject, certainly related to the uneven, but interesting, arguments made in books regarding Jesus's divinity and the possibly misconstrued relationship with Mary Magdalene. goes to the root of the problem of mistakenly calling the Bible the "word of God". Spirituality has a root in the search for meaning, organized religion has a root in trying to control other people's morals and behavior. What would Jesus do indeed...

i just shook the crap out of your monkey

d3d, it took me a long time to process what you just said.

d3d, i still dont' understand what you just said

I think I love you, arcadia17!

I had also heard that 'virgin' was a term used for girls who had not yet started menstruating.

very insightful indeed. virgin=un- wed or nubile
Bible = book of morals

I also learned that the Bible was originally written for clergymen only, because lay people were illiterate at the time. So I basically see the Bible as teachings for clergy on how to live a good moral life, based on concepts of the time in which it was written.

thank-you arcadia17 , loserbeech and juliagoolia....I am glad I am not the only one who had heard such teachings

i think d3d has been on heavy medication as of late

yet to be more on topic, the only way to truely solve this mystery is to construct a time machine out of an old telephone booth and go back in time and see for ourselves what exactly the word meant. It'll be a bogus journey

Dude!!!

totally!

i havent really been bothered to think about this or argue it much in the context of this specific blog

but it would make sense for jesus to be born to a prostitute, not that she is of course. But it would make some sense.

know what else makes sense? the story of mulan, with eddie murphy's voice as the dragon.

It did definitely refer to a young girl, it was nothing to do with sex. No time machine needed.

We were also taught that everything that Jesus said in the NT is taken from the OT, apart from the Sermon on the Mount, which is a collage too. And the gospels didn't even begin to be written until after 70AD.

i still want a time machine tho....

I hear that Busted had one, try asking them about it.

I'd suggest giving the doc a call but the problem is his time machines way back in 19th centuary America. You might want to give Marty a call, he usually has a way of meeting the doc.

wow shaking your monkey is kinda fun

this blog raises some interesting points janelle.. and while if you give the idea even an iota of thought it makes sense like ryan said the only way to truly know would be to be there .. but thats gonna take a little while as Mr peabody some how broke th wayback machine .....

oh yeah and just in case no one mentioned it youre not the old lady here there are a couple of people here your age .. but they hide real good till they want to pull sneak blog raids

your monkey is going to keep me entertained for hours

well, if we can't go back in time to confirm everything, at least our ancestors can be credited for starting some great roots. I think they would be proud of what we have accomplished.

i still suggest we take the bill and ted method seriously.

I've still kinda mixed feelings about God inseminating Joseph's missus.
I mean He did give us the commandment You shall not covet your neighbor's wife so I don't think He's in any position to boss us around anymore.

oh honeymuffin, always tlakin' that smartin' people talks.

Yes, your saviour is the son of a dirty whore.

She wasn't josephs Mrs Per. Joseph was just a nice guy, and married her after god left her up the duff.

So Mary was Joseph's beard?

takes a smarty pants to know one iPear. :)

They didn't wear pants back then.

i don't wear pants now

i know nothing. i'm mary magdalene

im little peter

im paul, formerly known as saul, formerly know as ted nugent

my brother is jesus from south park

which one? the voice actor changed like 6 times

hey-seus!

"I learned that back in Biblical times, the word 'virgin' meant an un-wed female." Cause, you know, _everyone_ was speaking english back then!! Keep up the funny! (Unless this is a serious question, but if it were you'd probably use the--what's it called? The Internet?--to look up the answer.)

"so the Virgin Mary was therefore single, and pregnant. "

um, Yes? what exactly is the question here again?

I just swung up your monkey.