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Oct 31 '06 by attackslug

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Question to designers

about The Wandering Troubadours

Do you guys know if this was done in illustrator cs2 with live trace?
As i love the sketchyness but when i use livetrace it bugs me with the slight flaws
anyhow please advise

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oshin on Oct 31 '06 at 4:23am

tablet mate. live trace is for idiots

oshin on Oct 31 '06 at 4:24am

actually. it mite have been traced. i donno

attackslug on Oct 31 '06 at 4:26am

live trace isnt bad at times as long as the image/sketch is flawless and crisp defined edges but this design s puzzled me.

oshin on Oct 31 '06 at 4:28am

live trace is anoying. but i think he mite have used a brush for the outlines. i wouldnt ahve a clue.

kaloyster on Oct 31 '06 at 4:31am

Tablet. For me, since I don't own a tablet yet, I just painstakingly make them look like hand-drawn in Illustrator using a mouse, which is very tiring.

attackslug on Oct 31 '06 at 4:35am

What does everyone feel about livetrace tho as imm great at sketching but crap on macs... is it still a good way to get my designs on here.. are live traced images still acceptable to get idea across or are they regarded as cheating?

oshin on Oct 31 '06 at 4:36am

i use the al mighty mouse. i want a tablet tho.

oshin on Oct 31 '06 at 4:38am

live trace will only look good if the settings are absolute perfect and the image is really clean.

it wouldnt be regarded cheating, its more "saving time".

attackslug on Oct 31 '06 at 4:40am

nice one! cheers guys

bananaphone on Oct 31 '06 at 5:02am

"tablet mate. live trace is for idiots"

Actually generalisations are for idiots. My only print was live traced, and it works if you know what you're doing - like any tool. Clearly you don't.

slaterock on Oct 31 '06 at 9:14am

This is all done in photoshop. I did a pen drawing and then scanned it into photoshop. I did a color range select, selecting the white of the paper, the inversing it. I cut the ink color and pasted it on its own layer, then cleared the background layer. I then used other layers for the colors, and Ross did an amazing job of figuring out how to make separations from it. So pretty much I drew it freehand, and just colored it on the computer.

travis76 on Oct 31 '06 at 9:33am

i was about to say- what makes anyonwe think this wasn't DRAWN?
there are still a few of us that do it old world.....

travis76 on Oct 31 '06 at 9:35am

..and ha ha, i get- and i see slaterock too- more compliments on our 'imperfect sketchy lines- what program did you use?' than i ever thought i would.

OLD SCHOOL ALL THE WAY!

7 days later

kooky love on Nov 07 '06 at 8:18pm

I like the style of design.Remind me my style.
You can compare with my works, here:

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I draw/sketch them, scan them, and autotrace result of scanning the black and white mode bitmap in coreltrace. it's so simple and fast. Then ...I just fill with the colors i want for the result of autotrace. But...sometime we must fix the little jaggy thing

sonmi on Nov 07 '06 at 8:20pm

this looks very hand/tablet drawn to me. then again, i don't know anything about livetrace.

iPear on Nov 07 '06 at 8:23pm

HOLY CRAP, sorry for being off topic, but did anyone happen to notice the age on this one?

wullagaru on Nov 07 '06 at 8:23pm

I do a bunch of different methods but I all my subs srat as sketches that I scan in .. what I do after is what makes them look different

Monkey II on Nov 07 '06 at 8:25pm

just with photoshop only?
damnz.. there I go tracing everything with a friggin' pen tool. (most boring part of all)

tesco on Nov 07 '06 at 8:27pm

lol ipear, I need to stop posting on this site

sonmi on Nov 07 '06 at 8:31pm

oh, i didn't know slaterock already answered

but yes, i think photoshop is the best tool for line drawings. illustrator feels so limiting.

bananaphone on Nov 07 '06 at 8:39pm

how so sonmi?

I prefer illustrator because I can resize any elements as big or small as I want. Though I come from more of a print design background than a pure art one, so illustrator is second nature.

sonmi on Nov 07 '06 at 8:43pm

in regards to resizing, it's much more useful to have a vector. i guess that's where flash plays a good medium, because it has the fluidity of drawing with line weights that photoshop allows. unless illustrator does allow for line weights when drawing. i haven't used it that much, i guess.

jublin on Nov 07 '06 at 8:44pm

flash for the win!

OCandCO on Nov 07 '06 at 8:46pm

Photoshop and illustrator are different. One is not better than the other... they should be used together to spread peace and joy.

Live trace is a great tool... it all depends on what you are tracing.

spires on Nov 07 '06 at 8:47pm

I can't imagine that anyone draws in flash. I find flash to be so counter-intuitive, that it hurts to use it.

It's like if Macromedia said 'hey guys, how can we write the clunkiest piece of non-intuitive junk?' This was Macromedia's general end-user philosophy.

I hope that adobe reworks it a tad to make it more accessible to those of us who don't have spare months to waste learning some program.

sonmi on Nov 07 '06 at 8:48pm

flash is easy! you just use the drawing tool, and draw away. the only things i don't like is it tends to give a certain character to your lines... one that is very distinctive of flash. and also, when you zoom in, you often find flaws in your drawing. i used to draw with flash all the time, until i started doing photoshop at 300dpi. i like the results of that a lot.

jublin on Nov 07 '06 at 8:49pm

i draw in flash.

though i would like adobe to mixmash some of their products and tools with macromedia now that they are a team.

spires on Nov 07 '06 at 8:50pm

When I have a blank piece of paper in front of me, I can't get anything started. I pretty much design for the first time, right in illustrator. I don't sketch or draw anything usually.

I dislike the physical act of drawing, I've always found it tedious and laborious.

spacesick on Nov 07 '06 at 8:51pm

I feel the same way, jublin

Flashistrator

tesco on Nov 07 '06 at 8:51pm

someone needs to invent paper with snap to grid

sonmi on Nov 07 '06 at 8:52pm

illustrator is good like that, because you can manipulate shapes into some kind of substantial idea.

i also dislike preliminary sketching. all of my drawings are usually done straight in photoshop.

jublin on Nov 07 '06 at 8:52pm

someone needs to also invent a robot version of me to do everything for me. including breathing and eating.

*dies

OCandCO on Nov 07 '06 at 8:53pm

I want to talk bad about drawing in flash as I think it is a total misuse of the program. But if Jubs does it then I will have to take another look at it.

spacesick on Nov 07 '06 at 8:54pm

I'll be your robot, jubs

as long as I get to wear your sneakers

bananaphone on Nov 07 '06 at 8:54pm

"unless illustrator does allow for line weights when drawing. i haven't used it that much, i guess."

That's in your stroke settings sonmi. But if drawing with a tablet illustrator can also read your line pressures.

bananaphone on Nov 07 '06 at 8:55pm

flash works for some people but if you are starting off, flash is not a drawing program. It's there to animate and make interactive website material, not design t-shirts.

spires on Nov 07 '06 at 8:55pm

BOO flashistrator

Just rewrite flash to act like an adobe program and call it a day.

Illustrator is great! YAY!

I've used photoshop for drawing, but I always feel like I'm shooting myself in the foot by starting out with a non-vector format. I think, 'hey, what if I ever want this image the size of a house? Then I'm screwed.'

spacesick on Nov 07 '06 at 8:57pm

*tries Magic Rub on flash cd*

spacesick on Nov 07 '06 at 8:57pm

that didn't work

jublin on Nov 07 '06 at 8:57pm

im sure its probably not the most efficient way of getting what i want, but hey- you can get a good look at a butcher's ass by sticking your head up there, but wouldn't you rather to take his word for it?

i dont wear sneakers space. so the answer is YES.

spires on Nov 07 '06 at 9:01pm

drag and drop in illustrator

spires on Nov 07 '06 at 9:01pm

damn blog cut off everything I just typed

spacesick on Nov 07 '06 at 9:02pm

*puts on robot hat*

spacesick on Nov 07 '06 at 9:02pm

beep boop

spires on Nov 07 '06 at 9:02pm

one can import sketchy lines into illustrator

color range -- create paths -- 0.5 pixels -- drag and drop into illustrator

wullagaru on Nov 07 '06 at 9:03pm

yeah illustrator was never my fav but after spending some time using it Ive found there are a lot of ways that you can use it to make things look natural

spires on Nov 07 '06 at 9:05pm

Got any tips for that? Creating from within illustrator, I usually just use the clean lines. I'm not really good with faking pencil stokes and stuff like that.

sonmi on Nov 07 '06 at 9:05pm

interesting! i guess i just need to explore illustrator more. i just was getting frustrated having one stroke weight with very curved lines that liked to connect to each other. technical-wise, it's the only program i use when doing logos/substantial shape-based designs.

jublin on Nov 07 '06 at 9:10pm

well look at this. all these great designers coming together to talk about how they do their business. this is so nice.