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Themilkman666 aka Sam is a 17.63 year old boy, has been a member since January 1, 2006, has scored 5463 submissions, giving an average score of 2.17.
  May 29 '08 by Themilkman666        108 Comments        Watch this      Share:  Share on facebook    Share on delicious    Share on digg    Share on MySpace    Tweet this    Stumble this    Share this on kirtsy   
Before today I was begining to question why we were in Iraq. I had supported the decision thinking that setting up a democracy is a good thing and that Saddam was bad for what I thought was just gassing his people. I knew the argument that the people in Iraq hated us because I have heard from my friend who was deployed in Iraq and from other sources that they do actually like us there because we protect them. But my loyalty was beggining to fade, with the biased liberal and conservative news programs, I didn't know what to think.

That is until I talked to Specialist Poggi today.

Poggi, works intel for the U.S army and gave me information about Saddams goverment, and about the "W.M.D's" that the news never gave me. Something that would deffiantly make people support the war more.

In America we Jail people who rape, who murder, who touch little boys and do things of that nature. Well Saddam decided he would keep those people in his arsenal and when a village acts up he would send those murders those rapists (sp?) and let them do what they do best, crime.

This is fucked up and deserved to be stopped. Any leader who is willing to do this should be destroyed and that is a good enough reason for me to justify us going in. That and that there were W.M.D's in Iraq, it be foolish to think they weren't working on it. But they moved them before we got there, however that is an argument for another time.

But why are we still in Iraq then? Well Specialist Poggi expalined this to me to. Their are 5 phases to war, the first 2 being preparation. The 3rd, what we do best, completely destroy the opposing force (which we did in less then a month) and the 4th is reconstruction. It is not the U.S's job to do the 4th it is the U.N's... but they suck.

So here we are waiting for a nation to get on it's feet and although the news programs would never tell you everything is going pretty well. 700-750 troops have died after the fighting and being that the force is 140,000 that's not that many. EDIT: Of course, I thought it would be inferred. All the men and women that died are heroes. But in a war people are going to die, that's why you have to look at the number. It be nice if theirwas no war, ever, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Here is the most suprising thing "the long never ending war" is probably going to end in 3-6 years. Iraq's cops have already taken down the 2nd most powerful terroist all by themselves. Things are looking up.

But the news won't tell you that.

Go ahead bash me for being a bit conservative, for making many spelling mistakes. This was done very quickly as I have places to go but just thought all you Bush haters should know you are living in ignorance, only taking information from once source.
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ISABOA
   ISABOA on May 29 '08 at 2:41pm
I support the war


cause I like the fact that in 25 years - iraq will be a kick ass place to go on vacation
martiandrivein
martiandrivein on May 29 '08 at 2:42pm
If you hear a domestic dispute, do you try and break it up yourself? Hopefully not, hopefully you send an intermediary to try and resolve it peacefully. Don't get me wrong, something needed to be done, but a full scale invasion and occupation may not have been the best choice.
maddingo
maddingo on May 29 '08 at 2:43pm
/puts bag of popcorn in microwave


/waits patiently for the fun... this could be good. (maybe)
ISABOA
   ISABOA on May 29 '08 at 2:44pm
I have had to break up several domestic disputes

cause the cops take several hours to do anything

and they have spilled over onto my property

and once I even saved a drunck lady from having a compounded concussion rather than just a normal concussion
J-Ray
J-Ray on May 29 '08 at 2:45pm
iRaq. Now with touchboob support.
xiv
   xiv on May 29 '08 at 2:46pm
not on topic but...

In America we Jail people who rape, who murder, who touch little boys and do things of that nature.

...and give them 3 meals a day, showers, recreational time, free dental/health care, education....

wtf.
martiandrivein
martiandrivein on May 29 '08 at 2:46pm
Maybe it's just different in TX...1 in every 1.5 people own a gun here, or something like that.
deboraborialis
deboraborialis on May 29 '08 at 2:47pm
The question that should be asked is why Iraq? Terrible things happen in african countries all the time. Just look at Robert Mugabe. When America or Britain step in and do something when there is no oil in the country, maybe I'll respect them a little more.

I'm not saying that it's a bad thing that Saddam has gone, but was it our duty to get rid of him?
maddingo
maddingo on May 29 '08 at 2:47pm

there are 1.5 guns I believe? for every person in Texas I think is the stat? but i can't really remember.

and I'm too lazy to google it.
DaddyDom
DaddyDom on May 29 '08 at 2:48pm
no fireworks yet
bcrider
bcrider on May 29 '08 at 2:48pm
xiv, I totally agree. It freaking kills me that these people get what they do in jail.
ISABOA
   ISABOA on May 29 '08 at 2:49pm
the african countries do not fund and propagate terrorism - they are confined within their borders and they also are not building stores of chemical and nuclear weapons.

Besides - the african argument proves that the international community or "world cops" do absolutely nothing when it comes to crimes against humanity -

deboraborialis
deboraborialis on May 29 '08 at 2:49pm
I have only seen real live guns at the airport. I'm happy that is stays that way. I did hear someone get shot though, which I would not like to repeat.
deboraborialis
deboraborialis on May 29 '08 at 2:51pm
Wait, they found the weapons of mass destruction?
DaddyDom
DaddyDom on May 29 '08 at 2:51pm
maddingo
maddingo on May 29 '08 at 2:51pm
well... the whole colonialism (thanx brits) angle makes it a tad akward to do much militarily / otherwise in Zimbabwe say.

otoh i suppose the same applies to the middle east and ya' get the whole crusades thing as well?

hmmm... well Africa should find more fucking oil under them i guess. (or less ... the whole Iraq thing could have gone more smoothly for all involved really).
ISABOA
   ISABOA on May 29 '08 at 2:52pm
they found the equipment to make it and this debate is not one I wanna get nailed on - the fact is that saddam used them in the past - he was a murderer and had no problems gassing or irradiating people -
maddingo
maddingo on May 29 '08 at 2:53pm
yeah it is a fact they (Saddam / his regime had and used them at some point ...on his own fucking people too)

ISABOA
   ISABOA on May 29 '08 at 2:54pm
kurds

go ask the kurds if saddam had biological weapons
Phiffer
Phiffer on May 29 '08 at 2:55pm
TIM TAM SLAM!!
skeev
skeev on May 29 '08 at 2:56pm
I'm glad that you, in all your 17 years of life, are in a position to justify whether or 700-750 people deaths were warranted or not.
deboraborialis
deboraborialis on May 29 '08 at 2:56pm
Yeah, the Kurds would agree.

Governments just annoy me. I'm thinking of getting a cabin and having nothing to do with them. That always ends well.
J-Ray
J-Ray on May 29 '08 at 2:57pm
Hey Dom, I hid my missiles in your MOM.
ISABOA
   ISABOA on May 29 '08 at 2:57pm
thats what i did deboraborialis
deboraborialis
deboraborialis on May 29 '08 at 2:58pm
btw when was was the attack on the kurds?
gtoast99
gtoast99 on May 29 '08 at 2:59pm
"ISABOA on May 29 '08 at 2:49pm
the african countries do not fund and propagate terrorism"

Not true of Somalia. Which is why we have no problem sending in the occasional cruise missile
deboraborialis
deboraborialis on May 29 '08 at 2:59pm
It's ok, I found it. They really should have finished this all in the first gulf war. Why did they stop short of Bagdad? Governments. argh.
martiandrivein
martiandrivein on May 29 '08 at 3:00pm
They shoulda just told some Texans that Saddam was the reason that Dale Earnhardt died. The whole thing would been resolved in a week.
skeev
skeev on May 29 '08 at 3:01pm
I believe the Coalition didn't want to go with us. I cou;d be wrong though.
maddingo
maddingo on May 29 '08 at 3:03pm
The Halabja poison gas attack was March 1988


and yes the coalition was not willing to sign up for invading Iraq/ overthrowing the Gov of Iraq in 91 sadly.

they would only go along w/ driving them out of Kuwait.
ladrones
   ladrones on May 29 '08 at 3:04pm


"700-750 troops have died after the fighting and being that the force is 140,000 that's not that many. "

make one of those troops your dad,
or your brother or you.
consider the weight of human life


ask yourself this, of those 700 -750 miniscule lives lost,
why did they die? for freedom? for oil? to promote the spread of democracy? to protect the people of iraq? to make bush feel more inportant that his wittle brother? to protect the financial interest of america?

does it not matter why they died as long as somebody can justify it to you?


just imagine being shot in the head or chest,
not dying instantly, but just kinda
slowly bleeding out,
in the desert,


maybe in that state you could
find yourself asking more questions
ISABOA
   ISABOA on May 29 '08 at 3:06pm
gtoast99 on May 29 '08 at 2:59pm
"ISABOA on May 29 '08 at 2:49pm
the african countries do not fund and propagate terrorism"

Not true of Somalia. Which is why we have no problem sending in the occasional cruise missile


yeah - very true
but the threat of the african terrorist to foreign countries is minimal - unlike the well funded and well trained middle eastern terrorists -
deboraborialis
deboraborialis on May 29 '08 at 3:07pm
According to CNN:

There have been 4,397 coalition deaths -- 4,085 Americans, two Australians, 176 Britons, 13 Bulgarians, one Czech, seven Danes, two Dutch, two Estonians, one Fijian, four Georgians, one Hungarian, 33 Italians, one Kazakh, one Korean, three Latvian, 22 Poles, three Romanians, five Salvadoran, four Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and 18 Ukrainians -- in the war in Iraq as of May 29, 2008
juliejeremiah
juliejeremiah on May 29 '08 at 3:09pm
It is not the U.S's job to do the 4th it is the U.N's... but they suck.

So you invade Iraq despite the clear objections of the UN, and yet somehow they're still responsible for clearing up the mess for you? That's a load of fucking bullocks.
martiandrivein
martiandrivein on May 29 '08 at 3:10pm
He's 17... he's got alot of living and learning still.
atomic child
atomic child on May 29 '08 at 3:15pm
for anyone who thinks we are not in africa you must never read the news or watch tv...the united states has set up a central command in africa and all we do is go around and help out poor villages by installing wells and building schools....which is yet another thing that is never talked about in the news
ladrones
   ladrones on May 29 '08 at 3:16pm
all were saying kid,
is your yelling at us to think for ourselves
yet, you take the advice of some special ops jerkoff,
show blatant cold disregard for human life
condem the idea of critically thinking about your
own governments actions
and then tell us were ignorant.


i think you scare the shit out of all of us.
maddingo
maddingo on May 29 '08 at 3:16pm
War is as old as humanity wars cause people to die. (like it leave it...it is what it is and the evidence suggest it will be for awhile yet.... )

history tells us the biggest cause of getting your ass nearly wiped off the face of the earth is getting complacent militarily.

cause if you aren't able to / willing to fight someone else will be willing to kill you and take your stuff.

(this is not to be taken as meaning to say invading Iraq was necessary in this context nor that invading Iraq was in the best interests of the United States of America)



focusing on the actual Coalition deaths which for 5years of war are extremely LOW... (i mean come the hell on that many people died in a single charge in the American Civil war for christ sakes)... is a bit misleading.

the extremely good job being done keeping people alive after horrendous injuries are resulting in people that have had extreme trauma (life long disability / disfigurements..etc) to survive (in any previous war they would have likely died in many cases) I can't remember the exact number but there have been a staggering number of injuries vs deaths of US troops in Iraq.
atomic child
atomic child on May 29 '08 at 3:16pm
i ate that arguement that it is not our job to help rebuild.....last time we did that it was in afghanstan and looked what happened to that country
ladrones
   ladrones on May 29 '08 at 3:16pm
U.S. loves its secret wars.
deboraborialis
deboraborialis on May 29 '08 at 3:17pm
Yeah, there is plenty of work installing wells and feeding the poor. Not so much of the overthowing villainous dictators.
juliejeremiah
juliejeremiah on May 29 '08 at 3:18pm
what would jesus do
deboraborialis
deboraborialis on May 29 '08 at 3:19pm
Wars are faught differently now. Man are no longer seen as cannon fodder, and every death is reported somewhere. It is a different world.
ladrones
   ladrones on May 29 '08 at 3:19pm
mandinngo and this kid talk about loss of human life, like a game of risk. or a call of duty 4.

i dont see how you can generalize it down to numbers and shrug your shoulders and say meh

i dont get that
The Jolly Brewer
The Jolly Brewer on May 29 '08 at 3:22pm
I hate Bush for no other reason that he is a greedy selfish ignorant fucker...
deboraborialis
deboraborialis on May 29 '08 at 3:26pm
I don't hate Bush, he is just a puppet. Bea Arthur is the real brains behind it all.
gtoast99
gtoast99 on May 29 '08 at 3:27pm
ladrones-

Why do you value American and British lives over Iraqi lives?

Do you, for some reason, think that being born in America or Britain makes one a superior human being, and being born Iraqi makes you less worthy of life? Less human?

I understand that every coalition death is tragic. But what you are essentially arguing is that there is NO AMOUNT of Iraqi's that would be worth losing a single American over.

We should have left Saddam in power, and let him murder and rape, because hey, at least it's not OUR people dieing, it's just "those people." Out of sight out of mind?

It sounds rather ethnocentric to me, and dare I say, racist.

That, or you're basing your "morality", and justifying the deaths of countless Iraqi's at the hands of Saddam based ENTIRELY on your political agenda

Honestly, I can't decide which is worse. But either way, i think you scare the heck out of all of us.
deboraborialis
deboraborialis on May 29 '08 at 3:29pm
Don't be a dick gtoast99. He is not racist.
gtoast99
gtoast99 on May 29 '08 at 3:31pm
I know he's not. But the same way that he accuses maddingo of saying "meh" to the coalition deaths is the same way he's essentially saying "meh" to iraqi deaths under Saddam. I thought that would be an effective way of pointing it out.
deboraborialis
deboraborialis on May 29 '08 at 3:32pm
Not at all. I'll say again, stopping Saddam is a very good thing, but why did the coalition decide it was their job, and why now? Why not all the other countries where people are being murdered and starved by corrupt governments?

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