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snacktivity
snacktivity aka Accomplished Menunaire is a 22.14 year old boy, has been a member since June 25, 2005, has scored 3,136 submissions, giving an average score of 2.46, helping 29 designs get printed.
I'm not trying to be a douche bag or anything, and I'm not too informed on the topic, but didn't someone somewhere create a drawing exactly like this? There was a link to it on the submission page of Predicament. Did threadless check with the original artist of the piece? I'm just curious.

tesko
   tesko on Aug 10 '05 at 2:19pm
It must be sound, or they would'nt of printed it.
xiv
   xiv on Aug 10 '05 at 2:19pm
its not exactly like it, therefor it is ok to print.
filmgeek
filmgeek on Aug 10 '05 at 2:28pm
You could've left out the "ness"
snacktivity
snacktivity on Aug 10 '05 at 2:29pm
I know. I make up words al the time. I'm aware that legality is a word. My father is an attorneyness.
swingliner
swingliner on Aug 10 '05 at 2:30pm
well, this just encourages me to steal ideas from other people. and use a lot of clip art from the intranet.
kidaro
kidaro on Aug 10 '05 at 2:31pm
It's probably "legally distinguishable". I trust filmgeek will correct me, if I spelled that incorrectly. ; )
MoniqueH
MoniqueH on Aug 10 '05 at 2:32pm
Wasn't the tree from a book? And isn't that guy from corbis?
swingliner
swingliner on Aug 10 '05 at 2:39pm
yes.
Vaporiss
Vaporiss on Aug 10 '05 at 2:41pm
blah who cares. its looks cool on a shirt.
secretly robots
   secretly robots on Aug 10 '05 at 2:49pm
while i guess it was technically legal, i think it was in bad taste for threadless to print this even after they found out the idea was plagiarized and the main elements of the design were stock photos... this is just going to encourage designers to steal other people's ideas and illustrations instead of doing their own work
amandaw
amandaw on Aug 10 '05 at 2:50pm
it looks good, but it does get a 0 for creativity and imagination.



referencing a work is one thing, recreating and claiming it as your own is quite another.
mattmc
mattmc on Aug 10 '05 at 2:52pm
is it ok to vector peices of differnt pictures and then put it all togehter to make your own idea?
kevindujour
   kevindujour on Aug 10 '05 at 2:56pm
That depends I guess on how recognizable your vector is as the photograph. One way to get around worrying that is using royalty free images.
filmgeek
filmgeek on Aug 10 '05 at 5:26pm
I swears I ain't not no naw grammar nazi.
Rock Deputy
   Rock Deputy on Aug 10 '05 at 6:00pm
http://www.bradholland.net/beta/portfolios/portAdv/images/0105.jpg



http://www.zachklein.com/2004/12/winter.html#comments



http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/412956/2/Fisherman_silhouette.jpg







tesko
   tesko on Aug 10 '05 at 6:09pm
Exposed.
tesko
   tesko on Aug 10 '05 at 6:10pm
$1000 dollars aint bad for some googling.
spowag1
spowag1 on Aug 10 '05 at 6:13pm
ha..

at least he reversed the tree.

!!

no seriously. it's bad. and i think it was in bad taste that threadless printed the design.

i'm disappointed. again.
Robsoul
   Robsoul on Aug 10 '05 at 6:19pm
holy kaiser!!! definitely exposed.



I guess they don't call you Rock Deputy for nuttin, you bust em and bring em in (wow, that was terrible...)
tesko
   tesko on Aug 10 '05 at 6:21pm
He's like the 5-0 of threadless.
Robsoul
   Robsoul on Aug 10 '05 at 6:30pm
the guy can draw though, I checked out his site, looks like he studied with Baron Storey or someone of that calibur.





still that shit is baloney now that Rock Dep pointed those images out.... WEAK
Robsoul
   Robsoul on Aug 10 '05 at 6:40pm
fuckin A props to Mezo and Graye





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grayehound, at 6:02pm on Jun 14, 2005



For those who aren't aware of the Brad Holland reference:



http://www.bradholland.net/beta/portfolios/portfolioAdv.html



Click on the fifth button from the left.



You get credit for using clip art well and putting together a well balanced design that works well as a shirt. If this gets printed, I think I'll stop trying to come up with my own stuff and instead rip off Oblinski.



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mezo, at 2:32pm on Jun 22, 2005



lucindyation- the "artist" says so himself:

A Holland-esce, philosophical illustration.



Want further proof?

http://www.bradholland.net/beta/portfolios/portfolioAdv.html

(5th button on left)



You nincompoop.

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chillwill2001, at 2:52am on Jul 1, 2005



excellent use of... PLAGIARISM!!!

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sehughe1, at 1:44am on Jul 18, 2005



Please read up on Brad Holland and copyrights if you haven't already. He is the primary force right now fighting for Illustrator's rights. Being that you are an illustrator too, I wouldn't piss in the pool you swim in. It is a nice image though.

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everyone else squealed like little girls for this to be printed... whatever it's still a cool shirt but it's also a total rip-off, I'm not buying this... so there

tesko
   tesko on Aug 10 '05 at 6:51pm
Wow.
grayehound
   grayehound on Aug 10 '05 at 7:08pm
Oooooooo, it's baaaaaaack. I've known for a few weeks now that this'd get printed, and I still haven't figured out what I think about it. From the threadless point of view, it's totally fair game, having been changed enough to suit their purposes. How could they NOT print it? It's the top scorer and got truckloads of "I'd Buys". And since I'm all for threadless staying in business, this is cool.



From the art side, this sucks dong like a 60 year-old porn star. But, as someone once told me, "all art is derivative" so I guess that makes it alright. I guess there's derivative and then there's DERIVATIVE.



If this shirt getting printed gets you panties in a mash, allow me to suggest a plan of action. Since twin originally did this as a way to honor his illustrator hero, Brad Holland, let's honor twin's work in a similar way! Go to Andy's site (http://andyweitzel.com) and find your favorite piece, then recreate it with the exact layout he's got and submit it. If that's not enough, honor your favorite illustrator, artist, threadless submitter...anyone famous and recognizable...and copy their work, too. This shirt is proof that it doesn't pay to be original!
skaw
   skaw on Aug 10 '05 at 10:53pm
Think about these 2 things ...



1) The illustration style is completely different than the painting. This is a very clean vectored look.



2) Using clip-art and tracing photos is a very widely accepted concept and used ALL the time in the art world. It's also legal. I mean, that's what clip-art is made for!



So, the problem must lie in the copying of the concept. And to this, legally you cannot copyright the concept. Now, morally - is it ok to be inspired by a concept and to use it in your own work? I think yes. It happens all the time and plays a huge part in the growth of "art" in general.



I'd also like to point out that this whole thing is giving the artist a LOT of new exposure to an audience he wouldn't normally have been able to reach. Having people talk about your work so passionately as all of you are is really priceless in advancing your career.
PATRICKwMORGAN
PATRICKwMORGAN on Aug 10 '05 at 11:07pm
And the Jacob has spoken. Case closed,
Robsoul
   Robsoul on Aug 11 '05 at 12:31am
3) we're gonna make a shit load of money



hhha, which is important, but the fact that sooo many people love this and could care less about truly original work because their 14 year old minds (some excluded) can't comprehend is pathetically sad... sad sad sad... oh well



the guys career is already "advanced" look at his website, it's not like he wasn't established, he just dropped some clip art concept to give this site a whirl.. JACKPOT





I'm just jealous
sehughe1
sehughe1 on Aug 11 '05 at 12:39am
Brad Holland doesn't need name recognition from 15 year olds. He's in his 60s now. I don't think a lot of art directors out there heard about Holland from the blogs here and decided to call him up to commission an illustration. That being said, I'm sure there is no legal problems. His work and style (technique as well as those little people) have been copied by other illustrators for years.



I saw him speak once and he told the audience about an art director who called him up to do a painting. The AD wanted him to reimagine another artist's work. The crazy thing was that the artist's piece was a rip off of a painting Brad Holland had created years before.



Anyway, he's used to it.



Threadless should not have printed it, but I understand why they did.
sehughe1
sehughe1 on Aug 11 '05 at 12:40am
sorry to repeat some of the stuff Robsoul wrote. I was writing before his comment appeared
Iwouldbejosh
   Iwouldbejosh on Aug 11 '05 at 12:44am
Luckily, this is just a t-shirt. The Threadless voters have spoken, and this is the sort of thing that they want.



I've spent more than a day working on a design only to have it get kicked out of the running with a 1.5 after 100 votes. But my highest scoring design so far was blatantly created with clip art and, from start to finish, took me less than an hour to make and submit. That's just the way it is here...
grayehound
   grayehound on Aug 11 '05 at 12:47am
Sadly, I'm with Rob on feeling a bit jealous about the whole deal. After spending time trying to come up with something that hasn't already been done, along comes a truely talented and established illustrator with a bunch of clip art replicating the work of one of my own idols and walks away with all the glory in the world, fame and fortune to burn. I guess I look for original ideas on threadless and was disappointed when this obviously not-so-original, and yet admittedly very cool, design got the attention it did. It's given me a lot to think about how I look at my own work, that's for sure.



Soapbox for sale cheap.
Robsoul
   Robsoul on Aug 11 '05 at 11:16am
graye your latest piece of work that you showed me the other day is incredible, you have to submit it... hey and guess what people, it's original and it deserves some 5s, lots of 5s.



well said sehughe1. that's an interesting story about holland.





Robsoul
   Robsoul on Aug 11 '05 at 2:56pm
this blog will not die



...out...of.. my ...cold ...dead... hands
MrDomino
   MrDomino on Aug 11 '05 at 3:00pm
If that's the case I'm just going to start copying all my favorite illustrators ideas and submit my original stuff to other ventures. Thank god I can make money without thinking about my work.
littlem
littlem on Aug 11 '05 at 3:03pm
I'd like the 'original' on my t-shirt.
deseptic
deseptic on Aug 11 '05 at 3:08pm
this is crockshit!

if i would have known that it was plagarized i wouldnt have voted for it
deseptic
deseptic on Aug 11 '05 at 3:11pm
this is crockshit!

if i would have known that it was plagarized i wouldnt have voted for it,

plus how hard is it to make a vector tree? like why did he steal that tree? for fucks sake its a god damned tree!
deseptic
deseptic on Aug 11 '05 at 3:11pm
whops posted 2 times sorry
robot in peril
robot in peril on Aug 11 '05 at 8:11pm
Thsi is a great design; stop your complaining.
Robsoul
   Robsoul on Aug 11 '05 at 9:42pm
yes it's incredible how he pulled these elements together:



http://www.bradholland.net/beta/portfolios/portAdv/images/0105.jpg



http://www.zachklein.com/2004/12/winter.html#comments



http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/412956/2/Fisherman_silhouette.jpg



pure genius.



flourpower
flourpower on Aug 11 '05 at 10:07pm
I didn't see the design when it was submitted, so this is all news to me, luckily I hadn't bought the shirt yet and now I don't plan to. I still like the shirt, but why should I pay 20 dollars in support of an artist who can't even draw their own tree?
2 days later
zagudabuda
zagudabuda on Aug 14 '05 at 1:47am
I just think its funny how unless its the mona lisa it is totally uncool to rip stuff off case in point shirt called mona prankster. Unless a shirt is blatently making fun of ripping stuff off its no good. Brad Holland deserves credit but I'm pretty sure I've seen this idea potrayed before and to be honest I'd rather have this shirt then one with Hollands painting on it. Its not completely orginal nor is it all made by the artist which does spark a little anger and jealousy but I can't help but sighing that this shirt works. and I kinda want it.
secretly robots
   secretly robots on Aug 14 '05 at 2:16am
zagabuda, mona prankster was obviously a parody, he wasn't submitting the mona lisa and calling it "a da vinci-esque, philosophical illustration"
swingliner
swingliner on Aug 14 '05 at 2:24am
the mona lisa is the most recognizable artwork in the world. i doubt anyone will mistaken it for a threadless user creation.
grayehound
   grayehound on Aug 14 '05 at 2:33am
I'm certain the idea wasn't shiny and new when Holland put it on canvas, but that's not the point. Andy Wietzel says in his opening comment that this design is "a Hollandesque, philisophical illustration." In other words, he knew exactly which image he was recreating for his design and made no consious effort to do anything but use clip art elements to put it together. I have no prob with the use of clip art, but at least he could have changed the design a little bit or added something interesting and his own to it.
secretly robots
   secretly robots on Aug 14 '05 at 2:39am
yeah, when i first found out that it was ripped off, i thought to myself "why the fuck did he even keep the tree"
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