Speaking for my design only: So, I'm guessing that you are also very offended by:
South Park
Monty Python
The Chapelle show
the old Saturday Night Live
The Kids in the Hall
Family Guy
Harvey Birdman
hell, pretty much everything on Adult Swim.
How you can equate the thought of "You know what, if Hitler had crayons as a kid, do you think they were all white" to "White people are the master race, all others should be eradicated or enslaved" I don't get. The spirit of the piece is darkly comedic. Allowing it in sends the message to children that humor can be found in the darkest of places. Freaking out about it sends children the message that they should only look at the very surface of things in order to form their opinions. I'd rather have kids digging deep, trying to root out the truth. If the still don't like it, God bless 'em, at least the tried to understand the message before killing the messenger.

Regarding nohomo, I'd like to hear his reasoning.

I still don't know what the Moo Goo is, is it still up?

If THEY still don't like it. I hate when I do that.
Also, I'd like to hear the Threadless guys take on this, if they have the inclination.

kids in the hall.how funny!

i think people are taking things too seriously..just like all that jive with the Stabby McKnife shirt.

i personally thought it to be funny...

granted, i dont think many would get the joke and would love to jump to conclusions..ive never been one to care much about what others think when it comes to things as such.

fin.

you're assuming Mister Kallen watches TV

mhhh pfff

For the record. I hate whites. ;)

i think you're taking it all too seriously. you can make a joke or take a dig at racism without being racist. i'm sure JC was a straker wasn't meant to be offensive, but it probably would offend some devout christians. if you chose to be offended by a joke or political comment, that's up to you, but most people can see the designs for what they really are.

i'm pretty sure threadless take the stance that if a design isn't too in your face with it's message, they'll put it up for voting. at the end of the day most overly political designs don't score well anyway.

I hate the English, unfortunately I am, so therefore I hate myself. I should really listen to emo & mope around lokking miserable.

looking even, I've lokked before, didn't get me anywhere.

lol webbins my fellow english patriot(who also doesn't sound like is going to glastonbury!)

No festivalitities for the webbins this summer, and no Glasto in 06. Last festival was Leeds Carling in 04, damn toilet arsonists! Plenty of gigs though to dull the pain.

The nohomo shirt was pretty offensive... but Hitler's Crayons was pretty obviously just a joke.

The TV shows you mentioned have the luxury of over time building fans showing that no topic is safe...they make fun of everyone...and their fans come from all walks of life.

Unfortunately we don't know you as well so it is difficult to know where you are coming from with this shirt. Your explanation is one view...some of the comments are another view.

This type of humor is very difficult to pull off. And from the score your shirt received it seems to have missed it's mark.

To have made it more 'safe', DaddyDom, I would have suggested putting blonde wigs and adding blue eyes to all the crayons.

I dont support Racism or prejudice in a cruel or harmful way...
BUT I do support the fact that people can parody and mock racism (like these shirts OR in TV terms CHappelles Show).

People need to stop taking race so serioulsy and embrace the fact that stereotypes ARE funny, whether making fun of blacks,mexicans,whites, or asians.

Its funny that White people where goofy sweaters and cant dance, and that black people eat fried chickem, and all the Indian and Asian students are majoring in computer sciences or biochemical engineering. (not always true BUT funny).

I congratulate the people that can poke fun at race in such a P.C. world. When you think about it Race really doesnt matter (like civil rights leaders said), so then why make a big deal about jokes?

for the record....the aryan race crayons and nohomo were a little over the top, but I still support a good race or sexpreference parody

i thought the other ones, were funny, and to take it with a grain of salt, but i thought the nohomo one was pretty offensive... since it just said nohomo, and nothing too humourous about it.

I agree with you for the most part AlecGrieco. So we're all different, big deal! Let's atleast admit it and embrace it. Anyways, the shirts aren't even THAT bad, just vote it low and move on with your day knowing that your the better person. And I think you'll live.

it's personal preference, if you dont like it then vote, and move on like Pifman said. i doubt people will ever stop submitting racists/prejudice designs, i believe that's what makes half of what humor shirts are based on nowadays.

Ady, I frickin' love those guys. I'm pinching your head.
Sabi, I agree.
Gadg3t, I made an ass out of U and ME. Well, me at least.
Ash, Mphhh lllllttttt pzzxxx.
Mezo, beautifully stated, maybe if I added a little smiley winky face to the piece, then people would've known it was a joke
Jaycee, good point as well, your going to offend someone, no matter what you do.
Webbins, you should do a shirt that says "NOEMO". I'll lokk for it in the new submissions.
blucow, I'd still like to hear the explanation of the nohomo shirt. But on face value, I agree.
MDepot, brings up a good point. Since y'all don't know me, you can't be too sure of what my intentions would be. I do believe, however, to immediately think that the intentions were bad (Kallen) is wrong.
Patrick, I like that idea! I was going to have white, yellow and blue crayons in the box, but we can only use 4 colors.
AlecGrieco, I agree. The funny thing about most stereotypes is, there true the majority of the time. Revel in it.
Jayseeca, I think you're right on with your statement about the nohomo, but, as I've stated, I'd like to hear the artists take. Maybe his mother's maiden name is Nohomo and he made it for her.
Pifman, as with Alec, agreed.
zammykoo I disagree semantically. My piece wasn't racist or prejudiced, it mocked racism and prejudice.

On the comments for the piece itself, williamr brought up this point:
The problem with this is that it doesn't look ironic, which makes whoever wears it look like a racist. I know it's probably not meant that way, but the way it is now is just offensive.
On the site, the name of the piece is what brings it irony. Face value on the t-shirt, I agree with him, the irony isn't obvious. So, that being said, what do those of you who either weren't offended, or thought it was funny, think of adding A. Hitler in kind of a Marks-a-lot looking script onto the crayon box itself?

Ah well, as with other pieces that I've submitted, I was hoping this one would spark some good discussions.

Arguing that racism is justified because it is put lightly in media and elsewhere in our society is nonsense.
Whenever I see one of these shirts, I just say that I totally disagree with it. The world will not stop spinning and the sky will not fall.
HOWEVER, I do wish that the staff of threadless could prevent designs like these from even being submissions.

You can't please all the people all the time. There is a simple solution to this:
-Dont incorporate negative stereotypes, incidents of genocide, incidents of terrorism, or religion into art.
You're just going to piss people off.

I liked the crayons.

Fall down. Racism isn't justified. Mocking racism is. As stated above, sometimes you have to look beyond the superficial to see the deeper meaning. In my opinion, one of the greatest sins is being offended by the wrong things.
You're right, you can't please all of the people all of the time, but censoring yourself or others in order to try to do so is truly wrong.
tripmachine, thanks!

i definitly think that threadless should not decline any submission based on its content. they should only decline when the design is too big, has too many colors, things like that.

they get to chose what gets printed, and even if a tee got high votes, if they did not find it appropriate to print, they wouldn't.

by voting low, or leaving comments voicing distast is how to show these designs are not appreciated or liked, as opposed to calling upon threadless to censor submissions.

them threadless boys is nothin' but heebs and crackers anyhoot, dagnabbit!

heebs and crackers is my favorite midnight snack.

Mocking racism is just as bad. It brings up the negative stereotypes, and even if the intention is to poke fun, someone will get the wrong impression.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate deeper meanings and the like, but we should just steer away since people will inevitably get the wrong idea or interpret it in a way that will cause harm to the maker. I see incidents of the latter all the time.

If someone takes Hitler's Crayons the wrong way, they deserve to live in a world where people hate them for being so stupid. It's a fucking box of crayons.

If it was more along the lines of nohomo, which was tons more offensive and blunt, then I would agree. The crayons, they're just for a cheap laugh, not a bullying one.

"something portrayed isn't always something advocated"

take the lion king, for example. "hakuna matata" is a horrible thing to teach to children. it is not the message of the movie, however.

not everything that features an issue of race is racist.

and by the way, i really like the term "fried chickem".

"something portrayed isn't always something advocated"

take the lion king, for example. "hakuna matata" is a horrible thing to teach to children. it is not the message of the movie, however.

not everything that features an issue of race is racist.

and by the way, i really like the term "fried chickem".

"something portrayed isn't always something advocated"

take the lion king, for example. "hakuna matata" is a horrible thing to teach to children. it is not the message of the movie, however.

not everything that features an issue of race is racist.

and by the way, i really like the term "fried chickem".

"something portrayed isn't always something advocated"

take the lion king, for example. "hakuna matata" is a horrible thing to teach to children. it is not the message of the movie, however.

not everything that features an issue of race is racist.

and by the way, i really like the term "fried chickem".

"something portrayed isn't always something advocated"

take the lion king, for example. "hakuna matata" is a horrible thing to teach to children. it is not the message of the movie, however.

not everything that features an issue of race is racist.

and by the way, i really like the term "fried chickem".

hitler once said:
"anyone who SEES and still paints the sky green and the grass blue should be castrated"
or something close to that. true story.
don't make artists mad. if he hadn't been kicked out of art school, (and consequently got really angry and written mein kampf) who knows what what would have happened...

I agree that pardoies are a good thing, but it has to be REALLY blatant. The crayons, while kind of done in a cute way doesn't really convey a positive or funny message.

Sure, a multicultural crayon box shirt is boring and an Aryan nation all white box isn't boring, it's still very topical, considering the news, and the fact that there ARE people who would wear that shirt without intending any irony or parody.

Fact is the shirt promotes ignorance, it builds on the Myth and doesn't give any impetus to the person seeing it to expand their experience. It reinforces ideas, it does not challenge or poke fun at them. That's why i found it not appropriate.

Sure, they'll get low scores but I personally think some basic positive, community respectful policies via common sense and on a case by case basis should be applied by Threadless when they accept images to be presented to the public.

Aside from hate images, i agree, nothing else should be deinied. When you allow hate, you bring in a totally different class of people and problems

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If someone takes Hitler's Crayons the wrong way, they deserve to live in a world where people hate them for being so stupid. It's a fucking box of crayons.
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HOWEVER, we live in a world where there is no shield against the 'stupid people'. For example, I've seen a theatre almost go bankrupt after releasing ads for a play that would include white actors with the 'black face' makeup. However, the play was about black rights and their roles in the world of entertainment.
Wrong interpretation, but the 'idiot' won a case that almost devestated the theatre.
Hate won't stop people from taking advantage of possibly 'wrong' viewpoints.

Theatre is probably slightly different. MOST political and challenging messages (for debunking myths, etc) come from live theatre. No theatre shoul dbe sued or shut for what it presents.

With a theatre. People can chose to walk out or not go. A shirt however is a walking billboard for whatever message it emits. It promotes ideas and thoughts and concepts with style or creativity (usually).

I do have a slight issue with white people presenting 'black issues' especially if they have little to no experience in that area. The sad thing is, humans are humans no matter what colour. I live in Canada and have lived in the most racially diverse cities here (Toronto, Ottawa, and Vancouver).

There are decent people and there are pricks, no matter what colour or family background. It's so sad that Americans need their Black and White concepts to rally behind.

Hopefully one day the world will lose all sense of political racial borders and that people will be judged instead by their character and essential nature.

I don't think it's a bad thing the theatre learned about the political elements they evoke, and hopefully think about why it was offensive. Speaking for someone else is pretty insulting when you stop and think about it

No ones putting up shirts that even remotly shows threats to other races.

Did you fail to see DaddyDoms Aryan Crayons? It's also insulting to 'White people'

who might also look sexy in sweaters, I might add

I agree that in every single race, there are good and bad people. Don't know why some people can't see it that way. It's those people who give a bad name to their race and they get lazy and start to generalize and stereotype.

f-ing hippies

To Kallen's first post this evening.

Why do parodies have to be really blatant. The less we make people think, the less they'll be able to, the dumber they'll get.

Whether or not the crayons convey a funny message is purely subjective. To you and to Fall Down, they didn't. To Sabi and Adybear, they did. To others, they didn't convey much of anything.

Yes, there are people who would wear the shirt not intending any irony or parody, and there would be people who would wear it who would intend irony or parody. The shirt itself, isn't going to make either party what they are. They've chosen that themselves. There are people who wear I love Jesus shirts as a joke, so should we stop proclaiming a love for Jesus if we really do love him?
I don't see how the shirt promotes ignorance in anyone but you. Think about it, what good is a box full of of white crayons? What the hell are you gonna do with that? Hopefully find some dark paper and draw ghosts, powdered donuts, and toilet paper? On a larger scale, what good is a world filled with only one kind of people?

You speak of community, but take a look at your own blog post. You are the only member of your community (with the possible exception of Fall Down) who feels the way that you do. So should the community change in order to appease the individual? If so, then you've accomplished what I believe to be the exact opposite of the thing that you preach.

You seem to be the only one who sees this as a hate image.

I believe that, through exposing the utter the myths for what they are, you can better serve future generations. You seem to want to stick your head in the ground and pretend that the myths don't exist because they shouldn't.

hey, howzit goin?

To Fall Downs post. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Due to stereotypes from the early 20th century, black face is still considered pretty offensive to black people, as far as I know. So, are you siding with the people who sued the theater, who would probably support Kallen's point of view. Or are you siding with the theater, who would probably be more likely to support the majority of the rest of us. I'm taking this purely by my understanding of your post, which is very sketchy. The black face in the play was a direct reference to the negative use of the black face in the 20's -40's, correct?

littlem, pretty good. I'm gonna post one more to respond to Kallen's last one...maybe, but that's it. These types of things usually can't go anywhere. It's like religion and politics. How's it going with you?

I scanned in your thing. I'm finishing up one of mine, then I'll get yours to ya.

cool, yehaw. hey, are we hippies too??? haha this site is a bad habit! curse you!

DD, I'm not sure how you figure most ppl side with you on this.

Aside from the 14 year olds who need anything available to boost limited ego growth, most people do not rely on weak jokes including white supremist groups.

There's no one in Canada that would wear your shirt design, and if they did, they'd probably be attacked verbally and physically in the street. The US is openly racist and that is suported by the US government and the US Economic model, so perhaps it would be worn by ppl in your homeland (?)

Regardless, I'm amazed at how far you've put yourself on this topic. As far as I'm concerned you are still racist even if you do not understand nor respect the potentialities of your message.

I don't think we're the hippies this time, but it's hard to tell.
Yeah, sorry about that... here, you wanna try some crack? It'll help you get your mind of off this site. hahahaha

haha, i'm going to bed. i have a migraine.