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skaw
skaw aka Jake Nickell is a 31.76 year old boy, has been a member since November 12, 2000, has scored 12,306 submissions, giving an average score of 2.29, helping 311 designs get printed.
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After seeing all the great feedback on Alex's Atrium features blog, I'd like to share a bit more about why we started Atrium, why it is what it is today and what we have planned for the future. I've actually been meaning to write this for a while!

There have been a bunch of different things at play over the past few years that have lead to this.

TL;DR version:

Our code is old and difficult to work with. We've wanted to redesign the site for years using new, modern web practices. We want to create more opportunities for artists by getting good at partnering and providing more canvases to design for than just t-shirts. We wanted to be able to test and prove all of this stuff first.

So - we launched Atrium as a startup within Threadless, small group of people worked on it, developed a whole new codebase from scratch and proved out the business model. The success of the challenges so far as well as the ridiculous amount of in-bound interest from partners right now has deemed it a success. Next step over the coming months is to roll it all back into Threadless and also to give Threadless itself an overhaul using our new codebase and a new design. Atrium as you know it will no longer exist, it will just be the code behind Threadless.

More detailed version:

First, our codebase was becoming very difficult to work with. Especially when it came to hiring new tech people, it was very difficult to read, took people a year just to get up to speed on our code. There is code on Threadless that is 10 years old. About 3 years ago we attempted to refactor a bunch of it, but that just wasn't working. We still didn't have a framework and it was too easy to just write code the old way. We also needed to build an API so developers could build apps on top of Threadless code, we wanted to start using a modern web framework to increase the speed of development and be able to leverage all of the great 3rd party services out there now so we don't waste our time on things that have already been done. So we wanted to start from scratch.

Second, we feel the site is really showing it's age visually too. There is so much cool stuff happening on the web right now with HTML 5 and the advances in Javascript heavy applications. The current design is just getting pummeled with content with no place to put it. The homepage currently looks like a newspaper. We want something bold and refreshing that really represents what Threadless is about. The redesign doesn't come into play yet with Atrium, but by developing a new codebase, we will be able to roll it out more easily at the same time. So all these things get intertwined into our master plan :)

Third, and really the biggest thing IMO, is that Threadless can be so much more than tees. We've dabbled in iPhone cases, water bottles, laptop covers, flip flops, etc, and it's all done really well. Threadless will be the worldwide leader in community based design, period. We want to provide as many opportunities to artists as possible and, to do so, we need to figure out how to partner with other companies that can help us find opportunities for your art to be made into products and distributed around the globe. But, Threadless.com currently is very much about t-shirts and it will take time and effort to show what more it can be.

For all of this, we also wanted to test as we go, releasing things to the world to use. We didn't want to work in a big bubble and then just flip a switch and all of a sudden everything is different. We needed to test to make sure we could make partnerships work, give our new codebase some action, get all the great, constructive feedback from all of you and work towards our goal in digestible chunks, adjusting as we go.

Hopefully some things make more sense with this info! Feel free to discuss here and I'm also always available to talk more in email at jake@threadless.com

ps. We're hoping to have a live demo of the new site ready for the meet-up, maybe even a way for some of you to start using it in beta.

spacesick
   spacesick on Aug 02 '11 at 11:39am
sweet!
kayceislost
kayceislost on Aug 02 '11 at 11:39am
:)
ivejustquitsmoking
   ivejustquitsmoking on Aug 02 '11 at 11:44am
^5 so cool I saw a sneak peak in hk :)
littlem
littlem on Aug 02 '11 at 11:45am
:D
mitchloidolt
   mitchloidolt on Aug 02 '11 at 11:45am
awesome insight ~
can't wait!
shirtflirt
shirtflirt on Aug 02 '11 at 11:48am
hmmm
Adhesive Hippo
Adhesive Hippo on Aug 02 '11 at 11:51am
Thanks for the update!
Manupix
Manupix on Aug 02 '11 at 11:53am
First tee-shirts, then world domination =)


Seriously, advances in Javascript heavy applications is scary. Heavy is the key here. Please think of poor users with old machines. It's already impossible to do anything on TL with perfectly functional 10.3 macs. My 7-year-old PC is already struggling on a number of websites, don't be the next one.
Brightwood
Brightwood on Aug 02 '11 at 11:58am
cool...I guess I'll see it post meet up
skaw
   skaw on Aug 02 '11 at 12:00pm
yea, a lot of the advances help make them much more lightweight actually ... we'll be using backbone

When working on a web application that involves a lot of JavaScript, one of the first things you learn is to stop tying your data to the DOM. It's all too easy to create JavaScript applications that end up as tangled piles of jQuery selectors and callbacks, all trying frantically to keep data in sync between the HTML UI, your JavaScript logic, and the database on your server. For rich client-side applications, a more structured approach is often helpful.
OddLilDuck
OddLilDuck on Aug 02 '11 at 12:14pm
Thanks for sharing the exciting news. :)
Mya Jamila
Mya Jamila on Aug 02 '11 at 12:17pm
ps. We're hoping to have a live demo of the new site ready for the meet-up, maybe even a way for some of you to start using it in beta.
Nifty!

Additionally, you did a great job laying out your reasoning, thanks for that. :)
YaaH
   YaaH on Aug 02 '11 at 12:45pm
parallelish
   parallelish on Aug 02 '11 at 12:54pm
i figured artrium would just become part of the main site which should work much better. cant wait to see the redesign, should be pretty swick 8)
ISABOA
   ISABOA on Aug 02 '11 at 1:01pm
I like the old newspaper look

skaw
   skaw on Aug 02 '11 at 1:23pm
:)
emeryg
   emeryg on Aug 02 '11 at 5:39pm
sounds good & the Atrium is smooth in that respect - looking forward to the 'new & improved' Threadless & Just when you thought it couldn't get any better!
toopersent
toopersent on Aug 02 '11 at 5:41pm
Fancy. I like shiny new things.
taz-pie
taz-pie on Aug 03 '11 at 3:48am
thanks for the update skawdude!
cant wait to see the new changes (and shake my fist at them, like the old fart i am)
The Paper Crane
   The Paper Crane on Aug 03 '11 at 3:56am
Sounds like you have been mega busy!!!
Look forward to adjusting to the change for the better :)
d3d
   d3d on Aug 03 '11 at 4:00am
i was wondering if it'd get re-absorbed some day. sounds like there's a master plan. good to hear.
gumbolimbo
   gumbolimbo on Aug 03 '11 at 4:09am
ah, the bloated coding problem makes sense. Sometimes, you just need to start anew.
Morkki
   Morkki on Aug 03 '11 at 5:07am
But will the blogs that aren't really blogs still be called blogs?

Or will there be ch-ch-ch-changes

dampa
   dampa on Aug 03 '11 at 6:17am
GREAT!
re-designing site is really hard than making a new one.
Goldendust
Goldendust on Aug 03 '11 at 7:02am
I know you guys are already pretty careful about crowdsourcery type matters, but it seems to be sliding slightly more that way with the partners thing. I'm not all that worried, it's just an issue you still need to be careful with.

I also typed out a whole bunch of stuff about getting customers to focus on the designers rather than the expanded range of products, but I realised it was kind of irrelevant. You guys have been good to so many designers, and the idea of giving them more stuff to play with is actually pretty cool. So long as you keep focused on the community nature of threadless, I think things will turn out fine.

And, thinking about more products lead me to a question - the system where staff pick which designs get turned into things like totes and iphone cases works pretty well at the moment... but if you're looking at focusing less on tees and more on other stuff, will the voting system be changed to reflect this? The thought of a change like that is a bit daunting :P
Boycey
Boycey on Aug 03 '11 at 7:23am
Can't wait to see it!
taz-pie
taz-pie on Aug 03 '11 at 7:29am
FART HERE
band-it
   band-it on Aug 03 '11 at 8:38am
glad to see it's headed for improvements!

i hope atrium ends up a little cleaner. i know threadless needs to show super rich photos, etc, but the heaviness is just a bit overbearing on the homepage when paired with the black/pink/yellow scheme.

applesforjonah
applesforjonah on Aug 03 '11 at 8:41am
I'm commenting now so that I can remember to read this whole thing when I have more time.
Brightwood
Brightwood on Aug 03 '11 at 9:44am
I wish...for ahref tags....so I could post entries on blogs, like TL.
12 days later
Monkey X
   Monkey X on Aug 16 '11 at 7:59am
I hope the main threadless website will keep the clean and sober look. It's easy on the eyes with so much going on. (see google & facebook)
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