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Aug 25 '05 by Threadless

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Changes to the 1.5 rule

We've made some changes today to the 1.5 rule. (What's the 1.5 rule?) There are 2 main points to note:

Every design will have at least 24 hours to be scored. We are no longer using 100 votes as the qualification for removal.
We are no longer using an average score of 1.5 as the minimum score to stay in the running. We will now be using an arbitrary score that is made up of multiple variables including the number of I'd buy it requests and the design's average score. These exact scores will not be made public.

If your design is removed from the running, you will receive an email notification as to why it was removed.

We hope this makes things a bit more fair!

Skipper6745 on Aug 25 '05 at 3:20pm

Hooray!!

bortwein on Aug 25 '05 at 3:20pm

Oh Snap!

sarahrae on Aug 25 '05 at 3:21pm

Thats a great thing! Thanks for listening to all the feedback that came off of the 1.5 rule.

Knowing that you listen is always appreciated.

But what about designs that have been killed off in the last week or so from the 1.5 rule. By any chance would we be able to resubmit them 1 time only?

tesko on Aug 25 '05 at 3:23pm

Thats great news, good call.

lenabean on Aug 25 '05 at 3:24pm

thanks threadless team!

Perudoesitbetterthanu on Aug 25 '05 at 3:25pm

hmm...i suppose...

kypade on Aug 25 '05 at 3:25pm

doubt an ''arbitrary'' score made up of ''variables'' is gonna go over too well...especially if it causes 1.6s or so to drop. but, hey...sounds good enough to me.

Luke... on Aug 25 '05 at 3:26pm

sounds good "threadless"....
you've appeased the masses with #1
and also upgraded the qualification process for yourselves and all with #2...
thats good business...

Leslee on Aug 25 '05 at 3:26pm

It just gets better and better.

KatieTheMofo on Aug 25 '05 at 3:26pm

Cool.
I like arbitrary rules.

bortwein on Aug 25 '05 at 3:44pm

This does kind of make me even more nervous about being filtered out, but I can't figure out why yet.

littlem on Aug 25 '05 at 3:48pm

hmmm. very interesting.

Kamiblue on Aug 25 '05 at 3:51pm

Does this mean that we can resubmit designs that dropped out under the old 1.5 rule?

thatsnotnormal on Aug 25 '05 at 3:52pm

That's cool. :)
Thanks, Threadless.

Operator on Aug 25 '05 at 4:00pm

Thank you. Seriously.

shimala on Aug 25 '05 at 4:21pm

no, you can't resubmit designs that were already submitted and dropped

Robsoul on Aug 25 '05 at 4:26pm

mathematics my dear watson, mathematics

there were only some occassions where the 1.5 rule work against us, but it did serve a good purpose.

MoniqueH on Aug 25 '05 at 4:26pm

Oh, great. This means crappy designs will be around longer.

travis76 on Aug 25 '05 at 4:29pm

yes, math, more people means you need to expand the voting system as well.
great idea. thanks for listening, if you did.

Kamiblue on Aug 25 '05 at 4:30pm

Too bad we cant resub I think my Five Card Stud design deserved better-must've been the text

mrwalrusface on Aug 25 '05 at 4:48pm

good correction

themidtownkoala on Aug 25 '05 at 4:52pm

While I tend to agree with MoniqueH in general, I am excited to increase my number of submissions scored. Go 15000!

tripmachine on Aug 25 '05 at 4:53pm

Thats good

moodyfaye on Aug 25 '05 at 5:51pm

"Thanks for listening to all the feedback "

sharpie on Aug 25 '05 at 8:00pm

that sounds cool.

Ava Adore on Aug 25 '05 at 9:02pm

yeah thats a better scoring system.

fatclike on Aug 25 '05 at 9:36pm

People who can't take competition might as well quit. If a design is recieving a low score early on, it's probably going to stay that way. I like most of the shirts they decide to print, but who seriously has time to thumb through all the crappy submittions. I say the more they weed out, the better! (even if it's mine)

MrDomino on Aug 25 '05 at 11:10pm

With a very few exceptions I have really no problems with the original 1.5 rule. I think you could even go to a 2.0 rule. Would some of mine be dropped? Sure, but when they do I know to try harder.

I think there should be exceptions of course, but that could be left to Threadless staff.

stuck with pins on Aug 25 '05 at 11:12pm

Yes!
Finally!

<3

Webbins on Aug 26 '05 at 2:56am

Sounds a bit too mathematical to me, but if it cuts out the crap then it's all good.

caro.d on Aug 26 '05 at 3:07am

24 hours is great !

Iwouldbejosh on Aug 26 '05 at 3:21am

This sounds way better than before

bigshape on Aug 26 '05 at 3:56am

this fills me with dread/glee or something.

travis76 on Aug 26 '05 at 7:18am

sigh...too late for homo superius...

but make the monkey tag 'threadless' and maybe i'll resubmit

biggdesign on Aug 26 '05 at 7:36am

oh dang~

Pifman on Aug 26 '05 at 3:03pm

Well I *think* this is a good idea.

3 days later

tesko on Aug 30 '05 at 8:13am

This is the new shizzle, ignore that other one

Sitniz on Aug 30 '05 at 8:39am

Alright, good deal :)

7 days later

Peachcupcake on Sep 06 '05 at 9:11pm

sounds a lot better :)

142 days later

simster214 on Jan 27 '06 at 3:17pm

These exact scores will not be made public.

^^Aw. Why?!

OlliRudi on Jan 27 '06 at 3:28pm

they're a bit too secretive here at threadless, it'd be nice to see how many "i'd buy it"s designs scored..

simster214 on Jan 27 '06 at 3:46pm

^^I know olli! I'd love to see it, even if it was just for my own designs.

gimetzco on Jan 27 '06 at 4:13pm

#1. my designs have been removes after first day, and not once have i been notified about why...(i have had one rejected, but that wasn't the same situation)

#2. if you pick from the top scores, but not the top of the top scores...how is it that there are many shirts that you have printed that are low scores...just go through the catalog and you'll find some that aren't 1.5 even...

gimetzco on Jan 27 '06 at 4:20pm

(sp)removed

100 days later

w4nderl4nd on May 07 '06 at 6:08pm

Why do the exact scores will not be made public???

adam antium on May 07 '06 at 6:09pm

i'll never get printed!
:P

50 days later

kaloyster on Jun 26 '06 at 8:31pm

I've noticed some designs (very great too! ex. ste7en's) and it has a This design has ended early thing. And it's almost near to end scoring. Why is that?

hogboy on Jun 26 '06 at 8:48pm

great

Ste7en on Jun 26 '06 at 9:00pm

yeah I just wrote them about those two...I dont get it...I also cant believe they got identical scores

Papaprime on Jun 26 '06 at 9:09pm

I wonder why it noted mine was dropped early, scored a 2.26 and lasted all 7 days. The notation that it was dropped early popped up this evening...?

steve_swartz on Jun 26 '06 at 9:12pm

i think they have some bugs in the code that drops things. it's changed with the new site, as compared to what they're talking about here. have you sent email via the support alias to threadless central? or created a bug report blog with "SKAW" in the title or something?

kooky love on Jun 26 '06 at 9:22pm

two thumbs up!
good!

Papaprime on Jun 26 '06 at 11:40pm

sartz, npoe. I've never done a bug report, I'll look into it. Thanks.

Ste7en on Jun 27 '06 at 9:51am

looks like they fixed it this morning...or maybe it disappears after a day if its an error

spencekarl on Jun 27 '06 at 10:00am

it's still not fixed...there are some subs that clearly went through seven days that it says were dropped early.

here's one i just noticed.

steven218 on Jun 27 '06 at 10:02am

i just got my worst score ever. fuckers.

spencekarl on Jun 27 '06 at 10:05am

i was surprised it got dumped out early. sorry man.

Ste7en on Jun 27 '06 at 10:05am

Im pretty sure it just shows up the day it finishes scoring and goes away the next day when it says "finished scoring one day ago" but I hope it doesnt affect anything

Garnett F on Jun 27 '06 at 10:12am

This sounds good.

As Threadless has ultimate discretion over what gets printed or not, it is pointless campaigning for a change in the scoring system.

At the risk of suggesting what is already contained in the "arbitrary score that is made up of multiple variables including the number of I'd buy it requests and the design's average score" I'd go one step or two steps further:

As I've said, Threadless has ultimate discretion, so why not give more weight to those scorers whose scores most closely mirror Threadless's dicisions to print?

shimala on Jun 27 '06 at 10:21am

things should be fixed now... nothing was affected

spencekarl on Jun 27 '06 at 10:22am

excellent. thanks for the quick response shimala!

spires on Jun 27 '06 at 8:01pm

I just suffered my first threadless death! Huzzah!

That's what I get for putting a borg on a shirt.

elscorchogal on Jun 27 '06 at 8:05pm

i am very pleased to hear this...

spires on Jun 27 '06 at 8:07pm

hear about the rule, or my death? Both are fascinating, I admit.

Angelic on Jun 27 '06 at 10:13pm

Injustice to all the great designers out there!! Why change the 1.5 rule NOW??? Darn! BTW, why can't you make the scores public? Is this a conspiracy or what? : (

India on Jun 27 '06 at 10:20pm

im still wondering what the rules/guidlines/scoring information is on the slogans

chisafer on Jun 27 '06 at 10:25pm

...but... but... but is it still called the 1.5 rule?

shimala on Jun 27 '06 at 10:30pm

nothing has been changed with the rule since this post was originally made last August.

The only addition is that it actual says on your submission that it has been dropped.

shimala on Jun 27 '06 at 10:32pm

...for the first day at least

slogans are deleted if it has less than a 10% approval rating after 20 or so scores. We're working on a section that will list your deleted slogans instead of vanishing into space.

India on Jun 27 '06 at 10:45pm

how long and how many votes do they need to hit before they are compleated in scoring?

do you guys know of a percentage yet that has a chance of being printed?

haha sorry for asking so much, im just curious

stupidostrich on Jun 27 '06 at 10:45pm

Hey, maybe I should have just rasterized some photos that would violate all sorts of copyrights.. then my design wouldn't have been dropped by you shitfucks.

hogboy on Jun 27 '06 at 10:51pm

I think you mean vectored or vectorised... if your photos are on the computer they are in a raster format

India on Jun 27 '06 at 10:58pm

stupidostrich needs a reality check. if threadless is so worthless to him, he shouldnt be on here, haha

parabolic on Jun 27 '06 at 11:22pm

"We're working on a section that will list your deleted slogans instead of vanishing into space."

Does this included self-deleted slogans? I signed in one day and was surprised to find some bad text I'd deleted had been resurrected.

Thanks!

teechers_pet on Jun 28 '06 at 10:02am

Sweeeeeeeeet

fireant202 on Jun 29 '06 at 5:59pm

damn, I was having trouble already.

stingerstyler on Jun 29 '06 at 6:01pm

cha-ching

this blog is almost a year old!!!

Mangobee on Jun 30 '06 at 8:30pm

are we all happy this shirt got dropped or wat r we all cheering about

.Li. on Jul 01 '06 at 1:56pm

i honestly dont see whats wrong with the shirt

tesco on Jul 01 '06 at 1:57pm

pwnd

now this is linked to the submission pages, it has become the blog of the pwnee.

WinterInChicago on Jul 01 '06 at 7:26pm

My second submission. My first acceptance. My first drop. I am more of a dvd/cd designer. Maybe I will submit another shirt later on.

6 days later

myKey on Jul 08 '06 at 11:21am

A chance to chance another chance again.

4 days later

mikaelb on Jul 12 '06 at 7:49pm

Well, okey for me. My tee only got 1.44 in score anyhow ;)
Good change, anyhow.

6 days later

penta on Jul 19 '06 at 12:48pm

24 hours is too short. Much as I love your site I don't want to have to hit it every day... (and no, I don't have a shirt in the running...)

5115 on Jul 19 '06 at 12:49pm

Why is this bumped atleast once a week?! >;(

spencekarl on Jul 19 '06 at 12:51pm

penta, i think you're confused. the designs still go through 7 days of voting. the first 24 hours determine whether the deisgn is worthy enough to continue on for the rest of the week.

2 days later

Koffy_Kat on Jul 22 '06 at 12:16pm

I was very disappointed that my design was pulled on a Sat after only being up 24 hours I hardly had a chance to promote it. Waaa!!

I guess I better just back on the horse.

nobeef on Jul 22 '06 at 6:06pm

Lame!

4 days later

gautam on Jul 27 '06 at 1:32am

Great!!!! Cos my design was dropped!!! I love the system!!!

plankton on Jul 28 '06 at 9:10pm

ouch... my eye!!

5 days later

mrfaux on Aug 03 '06 at 2:41pm

Could we get some transparency in this process? I wanna know about these variable and how they work. Otherwise, how do I know my votes really count?

mezo on Aug 03 '06 at 2:48pm

Don't you wish the 1.5 rule could apply to the Rate My Butt scores?

4this on Aug 03 '06 at 3:26pm

? What's your highest butt score?

12 days later

thisisthebreakdown on Aug 15 '06 at 5:26pm

i suck as a designer...

Jesus Te Ama on Aug 15 '06 at 5:52pm

I don't know because my design was dropped!

thisisthebreakdown on Aug 15 '06 at 5:53pm

i wanna protest

GIVE DESIGNS A CHANCE!

5 days later

kirksheltonart on Aug 20 '06 at 6:09pm

seems like threadless is getting less and less dependent on people voting and more about what they want to print or not.

mighty mouse on Aug 21 '06 at 1:34pm

i think it such cause not everyone gets on the days you post new ones i think it should be 48 hours so that leaves it open for people that dont get on everyday

shadowboy on Aug 21 '06 at 1:40pm

Kirk hits the bullseye.

Isn't that pretty much common knowledge by now?

Siafu on Aug 22 '06 at 2:34pm

Not bad for first try, is it?

GadFlie on Aug 22 '06 at 2:37pm

If you go back and look at the shirts from long ago history, you can see that some of the shirts they printed got high votes and some got not so high votes. Even three years ago, when all the votes were higher. So I don't think threadless is getting less and less dependent on votes. I don't think they ever were.

etwod on Aug 22 '06 at 2:56pm

it may be for jsut a public opinion. They also get ppl to say wheter or not they would buy it, and send them a notice if/when it prints.

curlysuperlative on Aug 23 '06 at 3:38pm

^^Amen to the comment [mightymouse] left.

Bulka on Aug 24 '06 at 10:20am

Got one removed... YOOOHOOO, at last.

mighty mouse on Aug 24 '06 at 3:41pm

ill never get a chance if you dont change this shit

mezo on Aug 24 '06 at 3:49pm

Whining is for babies.
You would also think spitting up breast milk is for babies, but many adults do it.

spires on Aug 24 '06 at 3:51pm

mezo gets to be mean on her birthday, so SHADDAP

Ford Prefect on Aug 25 '06 at 1:01pm

what a gay rule

spencekarl on Aug 25 '06 at 1:02pm

makes sense to me

5 days later

Lebostudios on Aug 30 '06 at 4:52pm

i have not received the email. still working that kink out?

shimala on Aug 30 '06 at 4:57pm

The emails are being sent. It's probably being blocked by a spam blocker or something.

The email basically says what is posted at the top of this blog.

staffell on Aug 30 '06 at 5:00pm

haha

17 days later

Fuubeau123 on Sep 16 '06 at 5:18pm

i dont understand, but it doesnt matter because i wont be sumitting any design. heh heh!

3 days later

nanapolla on Sep 20 '06 at 7:42am

ouh...i take...1.49...sigh...

7 days later

Lumpaduppa on Sep 27 '06 at 11:13am

fiuuu.....OK! :)

ecky_ducky on Sep 27 '06 at 11:19am

Oh stop complaining, you lot. It's a good rule.

whendel on Sep 28 '06 at 4:43pm

Cool.
I like arbitrary rules.

3 days later

Djarum on Oct 02 '06 at 1:50pm

Thank You!

Bruce Coo on Oct 04 '06 at 12:02am

that sounds awesome but is there anyway we could remove our stuff before judge aproval sorta like deleting the slogans.. sometimes i feel like i wanna fix what i did a day later but i cant because its still pending.

jimjimdesign on Oct 05 '06 at 12:08pm

What?
I love to be dropped out of contest!
It makes me feel like an over-achiever!

Saladbowl on Oct 05 '06 at 6:58pm

That sucks...I was kicked out of the LAST KISS contest with NO NOTIFICATION AS TO WHY. I think for somebody new to this whole design idea this makes it really hard to get things going.

But I dont suppose my disliking this decision will change anything now. Anyhow, had to express it.

ash4182 on Oct 06 '06 at 4:44am

if people dont rate it high enough there is probobly a reason
some things just shouldnt be ona t-shirt- such as crashing planes and razors that look represent cutting oneself and being happy as a result
come on-

3 days later

pandasoniq on Oct 09 '06 at 12:38pm

Yeah I think the rule is crap too...sorry but being dropped without any explaination is not a good way to progress cause you can't learn from your mistakes if you don't know them...

I just don't like being out of the contest not knowing why...it's just very frustrating...

pandasoniq on Oct 09 '06 at 12:41pm

And I also didn't receive any E-mail at all...

3 days later

xdoom on Oct 12 '06 at 6:46pm

Man, it sucks when your design is a 1.65 and kicked out when others lower stayed.

thomasucks on Oct 13 '06 at 11:36am

o k .

ozrict two on Oct 14 '06 at 11:12am

sounds like its a popularity contest...i dont know if i'm going to bother with you anymore. i'm extremely disappointed.

staffell on Oct 14 '06 at 11:15am

haha, you people are mostly idiots

ozrict two on Oct 14 '06 at 11:41am

...well it seems like you changed the rules on me...it is a popularity contest after all....i find out today that my design is taken off the running because of a low score...too early...if my design was so bad how come no one has any bad coments about it? Why isnt anybody helping me to improve it? i put in a lot of effort into this work...i dont feel it was given its proper chance to score well...this is worse than communism...i dont have a million friends...just a few really good ones.

ozrict two on Oct 14 '06 at 11:47am

OK so i've said more than my two cents...deep breath and try again...maybe my design was really that bad, eh?
maybe it's just not your style...

i'm not emo, but i sure feel emo right now.

xuria on Oct 14 '06 at 12:20pm

I think the 24 hours length time should be extended, i think.... aaaargh....nevermind.... i just had my 1st death today... 1st submission 1st dropout... cute

Roostersauce on Oct 14 '06 at 12:24pm

ozrict man dont take it so hard
alot of ppl that have been printed have had their designs taken out early
it happens
its your first design keep subbing

4 days later

ozrict two on Oct 18 '06 at 3:53pm

MAMA DIDN'T DIDN'T RAISE NO QUITTER!!!!

eighten on Oct 18 '06 at 10:39pm

hahaha ^ozrict_two: "this is worse than communism"
you're right, ozrict_two, it's democracy!

8 days later

lambertini on Oct 27 '06 at 3:54am

well thats another day wasted doing that design. maybe i could use it for toilet paper or something useful.

MUST TRY HARDER!

psshaw on Oct 27 '06 at 7:14pm

I, too, was very surprised at my deleted design. I thought I knew what the Threadless voter liked! It'd be helpful to at least have recieved some comments about how I could have improved it.

chisafer on Oct 27 '06 at 7:19pm

wtf!!! when did this happen?!

;)

gordond on Oct 27 '06 at 7:22pm

august 25, 2005.

gordond on Oct 27 '06 at 7:23pm

oh yeah.

11 days later

kalien on Nov 08 '06 at 7:46am

Um my designs have been dropped but I have never received an email as to why.

7 days later

Rosh on Nov 15 '06 at 3:24pm

i had so many votes for a T and even some good comment.. i was kicked out so fast- cant understand why if the rules were changes... rats :(

digget on Nov 15 '06 at 7:35pm

Ok then

alienbiru on Nov 16 '06 at 1:03am

This is going to be hard.. but keep up fighting!!

6 days later

I lopez you on Nov 22 '06 at 5:38pm

okidoki

2 days later

novodoce on Nov 25 '06 at 1:56am

Back to the pixel board.

Malcolm Man on Nov 25 '06 at 2:06am

Sweet mustache of antonio banderas!

chisafer on Nov 25 '06 at 2:08am

OMG!!! YOU CAN NOT CHANGE THIS RULE!

I LIVE OFF OF THIS RULE! I guess,

I guess... I guess I will just have to stop living.

3 days later

grejotte on Nov 28 '06 at 12:36pm

I still don't understand why i was kicked out this fast... this rule changed on August 25, 2005 right?

wullagaru on Nov 28 '06 at 12:39pm

your sub stays up for 24 hours after that if it doesnt meet a certain criteria which they know but we dont(score , number of "id buy its" etc) tehn it gets dropped ..

grejotte on Nov 28 '06 at 4:55pm

Oh okay...

5 days later

Cib on Dec 04 '06 at 12:16pm

OK !

5 days later

Tommy Rocketboots on Dec 10 '06 at 8:35am

Eee! Second submission, first acceptance, LAST DROP!

I'm in it to win it.

Moey on Dec 11 '06 at 7:59pm

COOL

nicoz on Dec 13 '06 at 4:04am

:-((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
my FIRST sumbission it's been dropOut after 24hours.
:-((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

Margain on Dec 13 '06 at 3:45pm

NOOO PLASEE CHANGE THE RULE! Let atleast 3 days! It's hard to get people to sign up and support you in just 24hrs. I agree with the scoring minimum and total votes, but we need more days for supporters to vote! I hope my message reaches out to someone with decision power at threadless.com

nicoz on Dec 14 '06 at 5:08am

i agree with MARGAIN...24hours is not enough...
:-((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

Petanca on Dec 14 '06 at 5:19am

You know, i really think that if a design doesn't do well on first 24 hours, It'll never go well...

5 days later

alesserevil on Dec 19 '06 at 12:03pm

Oh, the sting.... least it wasn't my first submission!

maija on Dec 19 '06 at 12:06pm

Since about 800 people vote in the first 24 hrs, you'd have to stack that with several hundred friends to make much difference. The voting tapers off after the first day.

2 days later

jmcouffin on Dec 21 '06 at 2:17pm

listen to the public voice... I got dumped...
I ll give it another try later.

7 days later

batgiri on Dec 28 '06 at 11:13pm

need to learn from my mistakes.... wish me luck

sinwon on Dec 30 '06 at 11:31am

then timing would be important it seems?

6 days later

savianty on Jan 05 '07 at 5:57pm

Good

EricShawn on Jan 06 '07 at 5:39am

Brutal. Leave it democratic.

5 days later

Mogodesigner on Jan 12 '07 at 1:09am

so i lose, but not for long

5 days later

confluence on Jan 17 '07 at 2:42pm

this appears to be a double-edged sword.

on one side, its great. the lower scoring designs get dropped, and the better designs get more exposure.

on the other side, as sinwon mentioned, this means (as did the previous rule i just found out about), that your not really given a full chance to get your design out and marketed, and generate interest. an awesome design could be dropped because the people it might cater to, haven't been able to see it yet.

anyone else agree with my second point?

2 days later

graffick on Jan 20 '07 at 1:19pm

I agree with confluence. I would say at give it 48 hours instead of the 24 to give at least a chance for other people to decide it's fate.

3 days later

Gavzilla on Jan 23 '07 at 5:28pm

48 hours sounds like a great idea. Most people I contacted didn't get a chance to respond within 24.

Not sure if they'd have made much difference though! :P

Didn't get an email about my last one being dropped, anyone else had this problem?

J-Ray on Jan 23 '07 at 5:30pm

no i don't agree, the chance of the first 100 people having a particular taste that the rest of potential scorers have is extremely absurd

Dogma on Jan 25 '07 at 7:51am

Regardless of any changes to the rules I have a personal request for a change to the site design:

What I find helpful is looking at completed designs who have had their 7 day run and seeing the comments and overall score. This was easily done by simply searching for completed designs. HOWEVER, now all I can ever seem to find are designs that have been dropped early- and there is no way to distinguish which have dropped and which have survived to the end.

I'd obviously like to look more at the ones that were good enough to last. Because of this, I would like these designs to be seperated into a dropped early section of the site so that they don't mesh in with actual designs.

Another way to approach the matter would be the option to list designs that have a score of 1

Dogma on Jan 25 '07 at 7:52am

...that have a score of 1

LockeMonda on Jan 25 '07 at 3:35pm

Well, I suffered my first "dropped early" to my first entry. Not sure why. It seemed like a lot of votes for just the first day and a half...most of the other designs I saw up on the site for the same amount of time had far fewer votes and far fewer comments. Oh, well. Try, try again!

J-Ray on Jan 25 '07 at 3:37pm

Dogman: that's a good idea, it would be nice to filter submissions based on criteria. Threadless reps, is that possible?

Dogma on Jan 25 '07 at 8:26pm

My earlier post was cut off unfortunately. But I also suggested:

Another way to approach the matter would be the option to list designs that have a score of 1

RadimusPrime on Jan 26 '07 at 8:10am

That makes sence

2 days later

wren77 on Jan 28 '07 at 11:29pm

I think everyone should be given the same opportunity. If someone is running for president and they don't get enough votes by 10am on election day, theydon't get dropped from the ballot. If some designs get a week to be voted on, ALL designs should have a week. That's the only way it's fair.

4 days later

ozrict two on Feb 02 '07 at 11:19am

just keep on trying...

5 days later

spyhorse on Feb 07 '07 at 11:33am

I also got my design dropped out early, got an e-mail basically says what is posted at the top of this blog but it didn't say why it was removed. Really like to why the design was dropped since dropped out without any explaination is not a good way to improve.

Johnny Baboon on Feb 08 '07 at 3:21pm

I'm going to kill myself

velvetland on Feb 08 '07 at 3:22pm

I never got those emails... ?

3 days later

sooty on Feb 12 '07 at 2:56am

where is my email telling me why?

illinthemindstate on Feb 14 '07 at 1:37am

yea me either

jimjamjames on Feb 15 '07 at 5:04pm

bad t shirts can be good sometimes

2 days later

The Good King on Feb 18 '07 at 12:06pm

Seems odd that Any get removed early. Surely would be better to let them run their course and let what will be be! Especially considering some of the shite that is actually printed!

The Jolly Brewer on Feb 19 '07 at 5:52am

"We will now be using an arbitrary score that is made up of multiple variables including the number of I'd buy it requests and the design's average score"

arbitrary:
1. subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion: an arbitrary decision.
2. decided by a judge or arbiter rather than by a law or statute.
3. having unlimited power; uncontrolled or unrestricted by law; despotic; tyrannical: an arbitrary government.
4. capricious; unreasonable; unsupported: an arbitrary demand for payment.

Yeah, that sounds more fair!???!!!????

I was under the impression that the whole thing about threadless is that 'We' chose the designs. Not only do designs submitted to voting go past judges, they are then removed early at their discretion, and finally, even if they have the highest score they are still 'chosen' by the judges.

Good to see democracy alive and well.

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pjj_0 on Feb 22 '07 at 10:25pm

that is lame

sonmi on Feb 22 '07 at 10:36pm

haha i love how all the past few replies are embittered comments about being dropped early, or the possibility of which.

i especially enjoy the jolly brewer's research. webster's dictionary defines "arbitrary" as...

ccockerill on Feb 22 '07 at 10:50pm

What aspect of democracy needs to be upheld, this is a business trying to ensure that only the best designs carry on, not some totalitarian government that exists only in a warehouse in Chicago.

SkiDesignS on Feb 24 '07 at 8:05am

i have nothing against havin been dropped early...but i never got the email :|

3 days later

roy margalit on Feb 27 '07 at 1:25pm

never mind all the best(:

Johnny Baboon on Feb 28 '07 at 11:34am

i swear, son of a bitch, for real i'm gonna kill himself or give up on art and design. i have invested so much of who i am into that design, my self worth is wrapped up in your votes why would u crush it so carelessly you bastards i hate you all i hope the martians eat your children infront of u before they eat you very slowly and painfully what doesn't kill you will make you stronger, ahhh suck it.

Johnny Baboon on Feb 28 '07 at 11:34am

pandasoniq on Mar 01 '07 at 6:25am

never ever got any E-mail and all my stuff were dropped earlier...

Glorifiedg on Mar 01 '07 at 11:34am

My only question is, if we can get such an accurate idea of what's good (or not) from one day, then why do we even bother to carry on scoring for 7 days? The reason: because you can't get an accurate score from one day. Any design no matter how good could have a bad day in the rankings. An excellet design that has a bad day on day one would have an unfair disadvantage, where a design that has its bad day on, say day 6, would have nearly a whole week of previous votes to ensure its average doesn't drop under. To make it fair, you would have to say that any design that has a day below 1.5 (excluding the average from other days) would be dropped. But I think you'd lose a lot of good designs that way. As it is now you're probably already losing a lot of good designs over this rule.

bulgrin on Mar 01 '07 at 1:17pm

I totally agree with Glorifiedg!!!!

SkiDesignS on Mar 02 '07 at 3:59am

johnny baboon: get teh hell over it. by swearing and threatening, you're not going to affect the threadless judges. so you could justa s well kill yourself, teh judges wont say "oh, thta guy committed suicide cuz of this rule, let's change it. live with it. damn moron.

jhl786 on Mar 02 '07 at 4:27am

designs get more votes on their first day than any other. in other words the 1.5 rule works and i haven't seen any good designs dropped early. i have seen some substandard ones in the make it through though.

downrodeo on Mar 02 '07 at 2:52pm

Awww, my first 24 hour drop... someone fill this cavity in my heart... sob sob...

Hey, Soprano's is on... later dudes.

sonmi on Mar 02 '07 at 2:54pm

i love this blog.

sunlover1975 on Mar 02 '07 at 5:15pm

yeah my only beef with this rule, is that - you tell your friend's and family to vote for your design , and post it on myspace and become a complete and utter uber-promo whore, but people don't look at it in the first 24 hours? :( lol

(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ •ld(-_-)bj• ¸.·'´)¸.·'´) on Mar 02 '07 at 5:50pm

i cried a river :((((((((((((( still don't get why I was dropped. no emails, no nothing?...some compassion for the young ones!. I'll submit more, the world will be mine!!!!!

Glorifiedg on Mar 04 '07 at 12:49am

I guess I can deal with the rule. The think the think that irked me most was the fact that even the people who reacted positively to the rule agreed it wasn't necessarily fair. It was the concensus among them that fairness just wasn't relevant. It wouldn't have bothered me if the announcement of the rule change hadn't closed with "We hope this makes things a bit more fair!" As if fairness was the reason for implementing the rule change in the beginning.

bulgrin on Mar 04 '07 at 3:10am

I was dropped early after 3 days!! Is this another new rule which is secret?! Or didn't I understand the system?

potlikker on Mar 04 '07 at 1:05pm

So, my beef is that a bunch of the big buck designs got dropped early (including mine, boo-hoo), seemingly because some voters didn't understand why there was a sudden "influx" of designs with antlers, guns, hunting, etc. I looked at the designs for that contest that were dropped early, and yeah, some of them sucked, but a lot of them were actually good designs (i.e., designs that at least deserved the chance for a full week of scoring!). And a lot of the designs that dropped really fit the spirit of the big buck video game. So, why were designs that actually had something to do with a deer hunting video game dropped, and a design that features a forest of pine tree car fresheners is still in the running??? Makes no sense to me.

potlikker on Mar 04 '07 at 1:06pm

Oh, yeah, and I want my email telling me why I was dropped! Grrrr!

corey8 on Mar 06 '07 at 7:09am

i hate you 1.5 rule. you are a bad breaker-uper, you never tell me why we broke up.

canadianbeaver on Mar 06 '07 at 5:29pm

I never lost one early that did not have it coming. I am getting better and it is due to natural selection - you know, survival of the fittest.

Dang I did like Corey's Pinkies. Maybe I can license it off him some day.

applegary on Mar 08 '07 at 11:12am

I spent some time in an arbitrary once.. I'm not sure it did me any good, but boy did it cost my parents a fortune.

Jnet on Mar 10 '07 at 8:31am

we'll seeing as my LAST THREE designs were dropped :::achk::: i'm just going to have to submit at a faster pace so i dont wait 8 days for the design to be put up just so it gets ripped down in 1 ...MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE!!! MUAHAHAHAHA!!! (I think i need a t-shirt intervention)

3 days later

stellanoctis on Mar 13 '07 at 9:49pm

I call bullshit.

Maddog58 on Mar 15 '07 at 8:28am

Can't say I blame you for having an arbitary rule, but how come the explanation email never arrives - arbitrary too i suppose.

applegary on Mar 16 '07 at 7:48am

Arbitrary is the new optional.

dazza3 on Mar 17 '07 at 8:41pm

am i missing something? mine scored more than 1.5 yet still got droppped........................... i am a little confuddled. Is it now based on how many people say they will buy, so that you can sell more t-shirts????? perhaps? just a query.

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bluewater74 on Mar 20 '07 at 1:45pm

I think I must be missing something too, mine was dropped before I even got an email with the banners to advertise it and it was getting mostly good reviews. Plus it was in the running for the SEED contest and I saw some of the pitiful scores some of those got and they were way lower than this one.

shimala on Mar 20 '07 at 2:21pm

dazza3 - Scoring over a 1.5 doesn't matter anymore, that's clearly stated in point number 2 at the top.

bluewater74 - AOL might be the cause of the email delay as they love to cause havoc with our emails.

Don Marinno on Mar 20 '07 at 2:32pm

I guess it makes sense business wise, and will make the participants really work on our stuff.

wiretop on Mar 20 '07 at 10:17pm

good idea thanks.

sonmi on Mar 20 '07 at 10:19pm

this new rule suxxx! i quit!

J-Ray on Mar 20 '07 at 10:38pm

as the community grows, mediocrity becomes the lowest common denominator and more and more good submissions will score low.

bluewater74 on Mar 21 '07 at 9:18am

I went through a lot of the SEED submissions and a ton of them were dropped early. Maybe threadless reviewers just don't like science? It seems like that since a lot of the top scorers in that category really had nothing to do with actual science at all (robots, magical creatures, religious icons, etc..)..

gavacho13 on Mar 22 '07 at 7:07pm

Holy Crappiness Batman! Seems unfair.

liwintin on Mar 22 '07 at 9:24pm

maybe "the 1.5 rule " is fair...
but it's unfair for me...
i join the competition in the first time...
just one day,it's over...
woooooooooow :(

Mama Young on Mar 24 '07 at 2:10pm

how about #3 becuase we said so!

Mama Young on Mar 24 '07 at 2:11pm

lol

3 days later

get a clue design on Mar 27 '07 at 2:41pm

J-Ray nailed it.

inu80 on Mar 27 '07 at 7:10pm

5000 submission in one day. can I do?

2 days later

federboy on Mar 29 '07 at 9:34pm

The king has spoken

kaloyster on Mar 29 '07 at 9:36pm

2. These exact scores will not be made public.

Does this mean the average score won't be shown anymore, or during the scoring process only?

drpantslaroo on Mar 30 '07 at 11:50am

Arbitrary:
based on or subject to individual discretion or preference or sometimes impulse or caprice; "an arbitrary decision"; "the arbitrary rule of a dictator"
How bout that for a slogan great dictator! Is this a cult? I love cults.

2 days later

Pixtoons on Apr 01 '07 at 10:27pm

Maybe the "I'd buy it" should be emphasized as the thing that ensures the design lives to continue to final? Me being new to this site, I find the submission, voting and other parts of the process to be a bit opaque... I'm still not clear why Threadless would need to file for joint copyright on winners. That's not exactly kosher for copyrighted material and would typically be discouraged in the art and design business world.

7 days later

BoscoJones43 on Apr 09 '07 at 6:30pm

good

3 days later

Dono on Apr 13 '07 at 6:03pm

im screwed.. lol

Skinny1 on Apr 13 '07 at 6:11pm

Haha dont' worry dono, mine somehow stayed in so, so can anyone else's.

J-Ray on Apr 13 '07 at 6:14pm

How come "Taste the rainbow", with a final score of 1.13 and other very low scoring designs lasted the whole 7 days? Meanwhile other designs get 1.64 after 24 hours, or get dropped after 5 days? This system doesn't make any sense to me. Guess it really is arbitrary.

minidonkey on Apr 14 '07 at 1:57pm

score that is made up of multiple variables....uuuuuuhmmmm

karm on Apr 14 '07 at 2:05pm

J-Ray, I'm guessing most of the time something like that happens is when the 1.13 starts off strong and finishes weak, getting most of its I'd Buy It's on the first day, whereas the 1.64 was gettng a better score than 1.13's full week score, but didn't make the qualifications to get past the first day.

Does that make sense to anyone else, or did I just jibberjabber all over this post?

Armyofmeisbliss on Apr 14 '07 at 2:52pm

long live the british T-rex guy and all that.

2 days later

zegodead on Apr 17 '07 at 12:55am

it was my first design, so it is good to follow ahead, thanks Threadless team!

viralVISUAL on Apr 17 '07 at 1:30pm

lol, 3rd dropped submission, and still no email telling me why.

Something about Gmail that won't let me get them or what?

2 days later

Miss Bubbles on Apr 20 '07 at 9:51am

So... I'm still waiting for my notification! ¬¬

PuReEvil0z on Apr 20 '07 at 6:43pm

ahhhh i want my email notification on why mine was dropped ¬¬

feiyen on Apr 21 '07 at 5:34am

mah.
no e-mail notification here, my design was dropped only after 2 days.
I don't thinks it's so right.

Bye

7 days later

Tuki Tack on Apr 28 '07 at 12:07pm

Thank you for your Opporitonity...

blonde8007 on Apr 28 '07 at 12:10pm

I don't know if I'm the first to say this.. why arn't there page numbers for this blog?

serenaswam on Apr 28 '07 at 7:31pm

Mine was pulled and it was 1.57..dang!

serenaswam on Apr 28 '07 at 7:31pm

plus no email notification. :(

3 days later

MolefaceNZ on May 01 '07 at 11:50pm

that's not very nice

keuj on May 02 '07 at 1:04pm

strange, because best pictures are not always the one which are the best rated...

gypsy7 on May 02 '07 at 1:06pm

it's supposed to make it fair, but i don't think it really does. just leave the dang thing in the running for seven days. will it really hurt anything?

sonmi on May 02 '07 at 1:07pm

wah wah wah

Nonya on May 02 '07 at 1:08pm

Yes it will hurt. It will hurt people's eyes.

Legoman on May 02 '07 at 1:13pm

wullagaru on May 02 '07 at 1:27pm

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP BUMPING THIS BLOG BACK UP?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!??!?!?!?!?

Stevethegreat on May 02 '07 at 1:45pm

boohoo

2 days later

james enox on May 04 '07 at 8:03pm

I don't thinks it's so right.

Bye

Ni Ni on May 04 '07 at 8:27pm

i cant figure out why my design was droped after just only one day

i dont know if there is anything wrong!

and no notification either

i really like this place,, but plz explain this ,, PLZ!

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cloudythescribbler on May 09 '07 at 4:18pm

I think you need to deal with the inevitable problem of "troll rating", where people deliberately DOWNSCORE those that are competitors to them.

A better system would have people flag those considered offensive or in bad taste (which would then be looked at with judgment) or a single star (positive), or double star (very positive). The advantage of this system is it is hard to sabotage competition, even though people can recruit others to vote FOR their designs.

The "star" approach would mean that those t-shirts that are actually liked by the most people would come to the fore, without being shot down by hostile "troll-raters".

maija on May 09 '07 at 4:24pm

They actually already do that with the "I'd Buy It". There are designs that have survived low scores through the first 24 hours presumably because they got a lot of "I'd Buy It"s, or so I assume.

Out of 2500 voters, it would be difficult to mount a serious campaign to deliberately downscore someone though. That's a lot of friends one would have to recruit to make a dent.

barong on May 10 '07 at 11:02pm

can i suggest that you have different categories for designes to be posted in... there are so many different opinions out there that some people really love certain things, and others hate the same thing... some categories might give more clarification to which design really do suck within a given style...

bimbotronic on May 11 '07 at 3:58am

strange politics . . .

5 days later

michelini on May 16 '07 at 5:26pm

i don't have received any email that explain me the reason why my design have been dropped out of competition...

ISABOA on May 16 '07 at 5:31pm

I don get why this blog has no pages ....... maybe thats why it is so whiny

canadianbeaver on May 16 '07 at 5:32pm

I do not think they even send out notices for ending early.

fatheed on May 16 '07 at 5:33pm

Its becasue about a third of the usual total voted your design under 1.1 out of 5. It not really woth having the other two thirds of people vote on it if it scores that low.

MuazMonkey on May 17 '07 at 4:10am

thanks threadless team!

PuReEvil0z on May 18 '07 at 9:59pm

⌐⌐

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TheW on May 23 '07 at 4:32am

he guys. i have 1.71 and i was droped out. this is fucking unfair. 0.21 more than the the deadly mark. heeeeeee. shit.

TheW on May 23 '07 at 4:32am

hallo
?hallo?

afromaniac2007 on May 23 '07 at 7:47pm

THATS BULLSHIT :X

ISABOA on May 23 '07 at 7:53pm

theW - it does not matter if you get over 1.5 that is what this blog is saying - but don't sweat getting dropped, just try harder next time

afro - it serves a purpose, thinning the herd so to speak

afromaniac2007 on May 23 '07 at 7:55pm

i just like complaining:)

steviec on May 25 '07 at 4:55am

This system is working!

Exhibit A:
http://www.threadless.com/profile/9420/cookie/submissions

Cookie's submissions are the reason the junk needs to be cleared out quickly.

3 days later

awwitsjustxcara on May 28 '07 at 8:32pm

hmmm idk maybe extend the judgement day a bit longer?
48 hours?

LeoDaMonkey on May 30 '07 at 3:54pm

tough pickles

ISABOA on May 30 '07 at 5:22pm

dear threadless - thanks for dropping my design, it was embarrassing to have it up -

steviec on Jun 01 '07 at 12:23am

I agree. The quality of design on this site and on the shirts is what makes Threadless the place it is. Quality always gets the votes. Jill, I think that's why Black Sheep scored so much better than Pirate's Life. Both were strong concepts but the quality of the former made all the difference.

Just back to Cookie for a moment...
This may sound peverse but I miss him! Come back, Cookie and dump a whole lot more crap on us!

8 days later

cantstopsmilin21 on Jun 09 '07 at 11:50pm

good :) this seems more reasonable and fair, as for ones that got less than 1.5 i doubt they will do any better if resubmitted under this because people didn't like them and thats why they got the 1.5 originally

cantstopsmilin21 on Jun 09 '07 at 11:53pm

i think cookie;s style is not bad on his designs that are not writing... i just hate slogan shirts and apparently so did everyone else, well those one's at least :)

5 days later

sudanesepooch on Jun 15 '07 at 11:22pm

hm. i feel like this new system is a bit fishy..but i suppose thats how everything is in todays market..when youre dealing with a business that aims to make a profit and market a certain group, it's up to them what gets to stay in the running...arbitrary, huh..

4 days later

Janice Elanor on Jun 20 '07 at 10:13pm

it would be rather interesting if the vote scores on designs could be automatically graphed according to demographics, and shown after the voting is finished along with the average score...
eg line graphs:

1] showing how many 0's,1's,2's.....'i'd buy its' scored by males and females.
2] showing how many 0's,1's,2's.....'i'd buy its' scored by Nth &Sth America, Europe, Asia, Australia&Pacific.....
3] showing how many 0's,1's,2's.....'i'd buy its' scored by ages 0-10, 10-15, 15-20, 20-25, 25-30, 30-40, 40-50, 50&over...

The Jolly Brewer on Jun 21 '07 at 4:16am

That would be really interesting.... Never gonna happen though.

I'd love to see a simple breakdown of scores though. It would be really interesting as a design with an average score of 3 could have had no $ but a design of only 2.2 could have had 100$ etc.

2 days later

jaredonlyn on Jun 23 '07 at 6:12pm

"arbitrary" ... isn't that kind'a unfair?

6 days later

Maggie66 on Jun 30 '07 at 4:24pm

I think that this is a stupid idea.

Ellsswhere on Jun 30 '07 at 4:32pm

scroll for days...

hey guys whatsup, can i make a request, if any important blogs or things of that nature come out like this rule change, could you program in a way to have like a threadless update bar on the side of your profile page. because i feel like i would miss out on a lot of updates and changes if i didn't just happen to log on to see this thread.
like a threadless news ticker or sumthin. eh' just a thought

saltyhohobobo on Jul 01 '07 at 3:29pm

"Arbitrary"? ! Yes,this is ridiculous; completely fickled.

KOCHINIWA on Jul 03 '07 at 1:39pm

is ridiculous

Austin Carver on Jul 05 '07 at 12:21am

VAG.

6 days later

wees on Jul 11 '07 at 3:56pm

tsss…

woman4life on Jul 12 '07 at 5:13am

I have to admit, arbitrary scoring is rarely more fair. I don't claim to even understand the original rule, but arbitrary and fair rarely go together in the same sentence except as opposites. LOL

I pretty much agree with what Glorified said.

I also think 24 hrs. is rather short notice to find a tee on here, vote, promote, etc.

mcclept on Jul 12 '07 at 5:41pm

yeah this idea is ok. But leaves too much power in the hands that be...maybe that is why there has been some iffy selections as of late (nepitism perhaps)

mcclept on Jul 12 '07 at 8:01pm

I kied i keeeed I kid

ortegacy on Jul 13 '07 at 7:16am

mob rule as critique. i knew this website was lame.

redoom on Jul 14 '07 at 2:04pm

ARRRRGGGGG!!!!!!!!!! twice now! 24 hrs is not enough. I realize that you guys get lots and lots and lots of submissions, but this is shite.

shimala on Jul 14 '07 at 2:16pm

"when youre dealing with a business that aims to make a profit and market a certain group, it's up to them what gets to stay in the running...arbitrary, huh.."

I'm not sure why, but a lot of you think we're the one's taking down your submissions, not true. The system that is in place analyzes your scores in the first 24 hours. If it doesn't meet a certain criteria then it is take down by the system, not us.

redoom on Jul 14 '07 at 2:24pm

I get.. totally. That doesn't make it suck any less though does it?

3 days later

NGAZIN on Jul 17 '07 at 4:54pm

I bet that what happens is that the staff prints out the designs and scatters them on the the floor. Then they get the ofice dog to come out and on the bottom of one shoe it says "ACCEPTED" and on the bottom of the other it says "REJECKTIMATATED." The dog roams around on the designs and stamps them with his shoes of judgement. If the dog has an accident on a design then that person gets doubles prize money.

Smash cut to Dog's collar: It reads "Threadless Computer"

THE END? (CUE MUSIC)

2 days later

sandybox on Jul 19 '07 at 10:26pm

what a crappy end to my first submit here! it kind of ruins my motivation, but at the same time increases it in a sick way, hee

and some people here are waaaay too attached to their designs. new songs are written every minute, get over it. just because your stuff gets booted off of here does not mean your design doesn't exist, sheesh

corey9 on Jul 20 '07 at 8:14am

Bob Sandwiches lost his favorite pencil at exactly 5:31 on Wednesday, but smiled at the though of getting some new white laces for his shoes.

wullagaru on Jul 20 '07 at 8:33am

thank you corey for that little bit of wisdom

fatheed on Jul 20 '07 at 8:34am

Bob Sangwiches?

the-reel-colorado on Jul 20 '07 at 2:26pm

I love the new change! How sweet it all is!

Ellsswhere on Jul 20 '07 at 7:03pm

but how can one lose something at an exact time? is it the time the individual last saw the item, or when they first look for it and cannot find it? also, its more or less a win win situation, Bob may have lost a pencil, but someone else will find the pencil and it shall become their favorite pencil.

we should all lose a pencil today so that another may pick it up and draw till their hand cramps!

luckgirl on Jul 21 '07 at 5:53pm

I didn't recieve email notification when mine was dropped out early just letting you know.

boorasm on Jul 23 '07 at 11:13am

I think entering a submission into competition on a Friday afternoon is really an unfair disadvantage because it's the worst possible time to start a 24hour countdown for any good or bad design to really have any chance of survival with such a voting system. No offense, but who is logging on to any website Friday Night after work? Fridays in general are the biggest travel days of the week- especially in the summer- I don't care what city/state or country you're in!

fatheed on Jul 23 '07 at 11:19am

Just because less people vote into the weekend, it doesn't mean those that do, vote any differently.

eskimokiss on Jul 24 '07 at 6:17am

It's great how this blog keeps getting dug up almost 2 years on from inception

Hero Status on Jul 24 '07 at 3:33pm

24 hrs is too damn little an amnt of time. you get like, 700 voters and thats it! its not good for the design itself, nor is it good for helping the designer figure out whats good or bad about his designs. Also, i think it totally ruins the community feel that much more, because you're submissions are getting taken down without their fair shot. its pretty fuckin lame. And its not like the crits help, because tho ur design will stay up, theres all of like, 20 people who pay attention to them and try to provide worthwhile advice!
fckin weak.
m

sonmi on Jul 24 '07 at 3:42pm

OMG! THIS NEW RULE SUX! I ONLY HAD A CHANCE TO ASK MY MOM, DAD, DOG, AND LITTLE SISTER TO GIVE ME $5 IN THE FIRST 24 HOURS, BUT NOT MY NEIGHBOR, CUZIN, BIG SISTER, BIGGER SISTER, AND SECOND DAD

Lupus Delirus on Jul 24 '07 at 4:50pm

This site should advertise more so they can gain a better market and have some good designers on here, as well as some good people to vote.

Cause right now, its a joke.

sonmi on Jul 24 '07 at 4:55pm

no u

ISABOA on Jul 24 '07 at 5:40pm

Lupus Delirus on Jul 24 '07 at 4:50pm
This site should advertise more so they can gain a better market and have some good designers on here, as well as some good people to vote.

Cause right now, its a joke.

hahahahahahahahah

Rissy86 on Jul 25 '07 at 9:31am

This week was the first time I summited a design, and it was dropped in 24 hrs. I thought I had a week, I would have told more people about it. Plus, alot of people don't go on the internet EVERY day, what if you miss the threadless email notification, or you don't get a chance to vote on a design? Threadless needs to come up with a better solution to their voting system.

shimala on Jul 25 '07 at 4:00pm

Relying on your friends to vote is not going to change your score at all. You could have a 100 friends vote 5$ on your design which may push it past the first 24hours but once the general users vote it would still be dropped. A designs score is pretty much set after 100 or so votes.

snowpro on Jul 26 '07 at 11:14am

whos is that lupus delirus freak

Mr. Bacon on Jul 27 '07 at 2:02pm

suck my *** lupus. Youre frikin delerious

canadianbeaver on Jul 27 '07 at 2:33pm

You don't get an e-mail saying it has been dropped, do you???

Mr. Bacon on Jul 28 '07 at 10:36pm

delerious

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Johnny the homicidal maniac on Jul 31 '07 at 9:17pm

Thank you so much

fleetingshadow on Aug 01 '07 at 5:03pm

The 24 hour limit makes it painful to promote a shirt. Here's the problem:

I got an email on 7/30 at 1:45pm saying "Your Threadless Submission: [TH:Decline] for my Foxxy Music design, saying it had been nixed.

At this point I assumed "well, that's that then", and gave up.

I then got an email on 7/30 at 7:15pm saying that it was now in the running (which I didn't see until just now).

And I just went to the site, and discover that it's all already over.

What's the point in advertising if (a) there's not enough time to do it, and (b) if something's horked in the system which either is jettisoning submissions before they're voted on, or at least sending out false emails to that effect?

I'm confused as to exactly what happened here.

dontcare on Aug 02 '07 at 7:00pm

I totally agree with Glorifiedg!!!!

shimala on Aug 02 '07 at 7:20pm

fleetingshadow - I'm pretty sure your design was marked as declined on accident and an email was sent immediately. Once the error was noticed we instantly marked it as approved but when this happens it's placed in a queue of of all approved submissions which are slowly let out onto the site throughout the day. That's why you got the decline email at 1:45 and then the posting email later that day at 7:15.

What do you think of this idea that just popped into my head to help design promotion. When you first submit your design you can view a pending page(example. We could add a field to this page that would allow anyone to sign up to be notified when the design goes up for scoring, just like you get when your design is approved now. This would give you 4-8 extra days to promote your design to whoever and then if they want to vote all they have to do is fill out a request.

fleetingshadow on Aug 02 '07 at 7:21pm

That would be awesome, and would definitely reduce the issues.

Another thing I'd suggest is having the designs go out of the main "voting" pool, but still keep them live for voting for the whole week. That way if word of mouth starts up, they could still end up getting resurrected, but wouldn't be holding up new submissions.

mygrandadsname on Aug 03 '07 at 4:34pm

We need more designers and a lot less whiners.

fleetingshadow on Aug 04 '07 at 5:31am

mygrandadsname - your comment would carry a lot more weight if you actually had put up any designs yourself.

teamsasquatch on Aug 04 '07 at 10:21pm

I've never received an email for being declined, just that a design is in the running

3 days later

FireOfHeaven on Aug 08 '07 at 2:30pm

not 24 hours. oh well, it was just for fun anyways.

assholes

fatheed on Aug 08 '07 at 2:40pm

Hey Shimala - that 'tell me when scoring starts' button on pending subs would be a great idea. Do it, do it!

FireOfHeaven on Aug 08 '07 at 2:49pm

the first 5 hours it was under someone else's name thanks to a glitch on the website.

life is not fair.

pinkypoodle on Aug 10 '07 at 12:52pm

waaa i wanna wear it!

chawanmushi on Aug 10 '07 at 7:12pm

My submission was removed after more or less 24 hours with a 1.65 score. I have not received a "notification as to why it was removed." Some explaining needs to be done.

Bli on Aug 11 '07 at 11:44am

i'm confused, I thought it was 1.5 or less in 24 hours?

Mine had 5 days left and has been dropped at 1.57 ... I've got no email either

:(

3 days later

pickamaniac on Aug 14 '07 at 8:24pm

hey i got 1.65...y was my submission stil got removed?!~

shimala on Aug 15 '07 at 12:30am

Point 2 clearly states... "We are no longer using an average score of 1.5 as the minimum score to stay in the running. We will now be using an arbitrary score that is made up of multiple variables..."

I'm told the emails are being sent so they must be going into a black hole somewhere. I'll investigate further...

Bli on Aug 15 '07 at 10:57am

Sorry .. i only saw the 100 votes bit, musta been tired.

I thought I was doing okay too :( shame I could see how it was doing before hand, would've been less of a shock.

Cheers

Bli on Aug 15 '07 at 12:07pm

should be 'shame I couldn't see' in the post above obviously :D

JONSTOVALL on Aug 16 '07 at 3:08pm

Darn. Thanks for the opportunity anyhow.

All your scores are belong to us.

ALIADOTONY on Aug 16 '07 at 11:44pm

Seems more fear to me ive seen designs here get like 300 votes in 2 hours or so ,like if someone haves 300 friends voting at the time
Mr. Shimala had spoken!

GriffinTCandey on Aug 17 '07 at 2:15am

Dankesehr, my lovelies.

rajaka on Aug 18 '07 at 6:53am

Don't panic people, if you're talented you'll win!

rajaka on Aug 20 '07 at 5:24am

My design 'was dropped early'; however, there are people in comments saying they'd wear it (http://www.threadless.com/submission/131011/Broken_Formula).

Also, I haven't got any email with notification. Why?

shimala on Aug 20 '07 at 3:49pm

I was cc'd on your drop email so you should have received it. Maybe it was blocked/spammed?

"there are people in comments saying they'd wear it"

jean_warhol on Aug 20 '07 at 3:50pm

are you being sassy shimala...lol

shimala on Aug 20 '07 at 3:56pm

I'm trying not to, but there's not other way to put it...

the rest of my comment got cut off...

"there are people in comments saying they'd wear it"
Nearly every submission has comments like this. it's not uncommon.

mooseinmyshoe on Aug 20 '07 at 4:05pm

a sassy shimala...is there any other kind?

Hey Mostrico on Aug 20 '07 at 10:07pm

this is so strange...arbitrary????????????????? what ??? this rule sux

Bli on Aug 21 '07 at 4:26am

I never got a drop email either Shimala ...

It would be nice if we could at least see the progress on our own submissions so when they're dropped it's not quite a shock ... I thought I was doing okay with mine :(

shetland on Aug 22 '07 at 5:31am

I'm another one who gets no drop emails... but all my publicity mails have come through no problem?

adk17 on Aug 22 '07 at 7:02pm

well the shirts that get taken out of the running probably wouldnt win any ways. sry

adk17 on Aug 22 '07 at 7:04pm

well if a design gets diqualified it probably wasnt that good to begin with.

adk17 on Aug 22 '07 at 7:05pm

sry i just said the same thing twice! : )

Bli on Aug 23 '07 at 7:45am

thanks for that adk17 ...

duile on Aug 24 '07 at 9:42am

buu!. haha I´m loosing my borreguitos!

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Posn on Aug 28 '07 at 4:15pm

Ha ha ha And I thought I was doing all right. What a fu..... bummer

SpartanLife on Aug 29 '07 at 4:00pm

yeah arbitrary pretty much means made up, also a day is not a very long time to determine whether or not a shirt should be dropped or not.

lorraineharte on Aug 29 '07 at 11:01pm

:( I agree spartan. I just got dropped and I didn't get an email saying why... yet. I don't think my design was super awesome or anything, but still if they let it in, why not leave it up for a while, no one left any horrible comments, but I wish the people who scored me all those zeros had at least left criticism so I'd have a clue.

2 days later

cyanyde on Sep 01 '07 at 3:52am

T + Q +L, Drop that shit, if not, keep it going. Thats an arbitrary equation, not any single variable tells it what to do.

I'll go back to being an artist now.

cyanyde on Sep 01 '07 at 3:53am

Arbitrary:ar·bi·trar·y /ˈɑrbɪˌtrɛri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ahr-bi-trer-ee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, noun, plural -trar·ies.
–adjective
1. subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion: an arbitrary decision.
2. decided by a judge or arbiter rather than by a law or statute.
3. having unlimited power; uncontrolled or unrestricted by law; despotic; tyrannical: an arbitrary government.
4. capricious; unreasonable; unsupported: an arbitrary demand for payment.
5. Mathematics. undetermined; not assigned a specific value: an arbitrary constant.
–noun
6. arbitraries, Printing. (in Britain) peculiar (def. 9).

cyanyde on Sep 01 '07 at 3:53am

This forum software is truncating stuff, fix it!

cyanyde on Sep 01 '07 at 3:54am

They mean #6 in the definition of arbitrary, not 1-5 I assume.

cyanyde on Sep 01 '07 at 3:56am

Err, number 5.

cyanyde on Sep 01 '07 at 3:59am

One more thought, it's likely they attribute greater significance to those who actually by tshirts, then those who submit art, and lastly, those who lurk.
Afterall, they're a business first, a community second, and a playground third. This is why they say it's arbitrary, because one it's hard to describe formulas like that, and second, it'd upset you to understand the required need for capitalism.

PuReEvil0z on Sep 01 '07 at 5:54pm

mmmmta another one dropped the first day.. no notification email yet again..

cyanyde on Sep 01 '07 at 10:53pm

This doesn't tell me why it was dropped, false advertising.

cyanyde on Sep 01 '07 at 10:54pm

This doesn't tell me why it was dropped, false advertising.

cyanyde on Sep 01 '07 at 10:55pm

no notification either, sorry for the spam

JTFX on Sep 02 '07 at 10:11pm

yeah.. 1st day dropped.. no email.. it seemed that people were liking it though?! 24 hours isn't even enough time to show anyone lol.

The think is.. I think there would be heaps of 0's being voted as people tend to quickly flick through subs hitting 0 unless something really appeals.. where they hit 5..

hrm.

JTFX on Sep 02 '07 at 10:12pm

tativiana on Sep 03 '07 at 9:59am

HEY!!! WHAT HAPPENED WHIT MY DESIGN?
My design was dropped too?
But, you didn't send me a mail to advise me when my design was voted! And nor to advise that my design was dropped!!!

I didn't like what you did with me!

Every day I looked for my page, and my design was pending, pending, pending... Now, I look, and my design was voted and dropped, and nobody advise me by mail! I coudn't post it in my blog, and looking for votes...

It's UNJUST!!!!!

tativiana on Sep 03 '07 at 10:00am

WITH*

4 days later

Armyofmeisbliss on Sep 07 '07 at 10:13pm

you're killing yourselves.
you're killing me.
every second, 1 illustrator commits suicide due to this policy.

you're killing us.
*1 minute for y'all*

13 days later

tenseventythree on Sep 21 '07 at 5:08pm

it seems that this is a less precise and more subjective method. There seems to be a lack of emails notifying designers. This leads one to believe that their designs were no good with no reasoning behind it. No constructive criticism.
I wonder if there is less process involved and more laziness on the part of those "scoring".
I advise those who are disgruntled to start a site of their own or just learn the process of screen printing.
This has become a business loosely run under the guise of indie culture.

sonmi on Sep 21 '07 at 5:09pm

oh snaps

you gonna take that, threadless?

zipperking on Sep 21 '07 at 5:17pm

maybe you should learn screenprinting, so we don't have to listen to you bitch.

windychowchow on Sep 22 '07 at 10:24pm

.com means commercial

2 days later

betterthanhuman on Sep 25 '07 at 5:38pm

Beautiful.

2 days later

Terry Terror on Sep 28 '07 at 8:06am

a logical decision, since you are suppose to be here to SELL T-shirts

you want it, fast and safe

no problem

:)

canadianbeaver on Sep 29 '07 at 6:05am

Constructive criticism? Oh sure, why don't they hand write a note to all 100 entries each day?

If you aren't getting e-mails, check your spam filter.

the golden spatula on Sep 29 '07 at 6:18am

sounds good! i really appreciate your endeavors to make threadless more and more awesome.

4 days later

C.A.Philips on Oct 03 '07 at 7:27am

theres something wrong with the scoring..im being dropped out even after 24 hrs or before completing 24 hours!..its really frustrating...

msmichi5477 on Oct 03 '07 at 5:03pm

Sounds kinda shady....like we'll drop it for whatever reason regardless of average score.

godmaster79 on Oct 04 '07 at 2:07am

heu ok it's good but one of my recent design wa dropped wxith an average of 1.58 so i don't understand because normally is less than 1.5????? thanks for answer me....

MisterHero on Oct 04 '07 at 8:09am

Yay this is great! I can discredit people's works without even commenting on it and therefore regardless of reason! Awesome.

Oh well, I had fun.

MisterHero on Oct 04 '07 at 8:29am

Then againg, I'm not fine. 600+ ratings and only 4-10 comments. That's lame. Vote 1 it if you want but you should at least leave a message for such crushing descension.

I didn't get the notification mail either.

sedd900 on Oct 04 '07 at 11:11pm

i dint recieve any mail even i feel sad

stor on Oct 06 '07 at 6:27am

I don't know why I can receive all mail from Threadless except "dropped early" mail. Is it all "dropped early" mails are same text for everyone?

canadianbeaver on Oct 06 '07 at 9:14am

Read! it says we are no longer using 1.5 as the minimum, so even if you have 1.65 other factors can effect the drop.

The 24 hours is when the computer or whatever calculates, not when the posting goes up. sometimes it is a couple of days.

Just try again. You will be fine. And use the critique section to get help.

canadianbeaver on Oct 06 '07 at 9:15am

I don't think they even send out dropped early e-mails. You just see it beside your sub.

2 days later

corey9 on Oct 09 '07 at 7:05am

dear 1.5 rule,
i sent you a dozen donughts last week, did you get them?
i was gonna send along a cup of coffee too but i spilled it on my pants.
corey.

6 days later

decksandbass on Oct 16 '07 at 6:35am

Sounds fair enough to me!

xxILL on Oct 17 '07 at 3:50am

Hmmmm?!

O.K. I just got dropped out and want to excuse me for sending up such a bad bad (almost evil) design with it´s tricky little title problem. I´m sure millions of blind kids would buy my shirt...

So this means after 90 days I can put my design into my own little online shop to sell it with my other stuff? (Of course it gets a better title there ...hehehe)

Thanx again to all fair voters and bad voting competitors, so threadless just won´t earn a buck from this design and all the fat money goes to me only :)

2 days later

rob808 on Oct 19 '07 at 3:42pm

That sucks both of my designs got pulled down in one day. What's the point of giving us 7 days, if your just going to judge it one days votes? I already got 500+ votes on both shirts,. I just got started promoting.

Goodbye Threadless shirts, I'm going somewhere else.

4 days later

C.A.Philips on Oct 24 '07 at 9:41am

all crap gets more than 2.

3 days later

miss-e on Oct 27 '07 at 9:51pm

That shirt was FLY!!!!!

19 days later

smallvillager on Nov 16 '07 at 2:19am

oh well

14 days later

Cheli-Land on Nov 30 '07 at 8:41am

I FEEL YOU NICOZZZZZZZ :-((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
my FIRST sumbission it's been dropOut after 24hours TOO
:-((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

6 days later

ohphighy on Dec 06 '07 at 9:54pm

some people really needs help

ferooo on Dec 07 '07 at 11:36pm

Its Really good idea!!! Great Threadless

2 days later

videovexa on Dec 10 '07 at 8:29pm

seriously... got pulled in less than 24 hours and no email explanation. 1/2 of submitting is at least being able to get feedback and have people look at your work! I mean, ya spend a lot of time putting in a submission, you should at least be able to compete, even if ppl think it sux. I really would like some feedback on my last submission! Please, it was submitted and pulled on Dec 5th, 2007

kayne on Dec 10 '07 at 8:31pm

Hey videovexa, maybe you should submit your design to the critique forum first.

Glowacki on Dec 11 '07 at 10:17am

What if the rules were clarified exactly to a "T", maybe that would help people out? The way it is explained seems very safe for Threadless which seems logical as a business can be a dangerous thing to handle. Out of my own personal experiences businesses game the their voting systems all the time in order to avoid a legal issue, it's almost sometimes unavoidable in order to make a profitable advertisement let alone a full on business that survives on the premiss of an idea of a voting system. Is there a way to make this system more community based? As opposed to a coded system of dismissal? I don't know does anyone? I mean having it unexplained, it is either highly complex algorithm based system or not, which is likely I don't know. Either way, a system basing dismissal of design or aesthetic taste on voting numbers will always have faults and loop holes. It's a tough battle, that is any type of judgement regarding pure opinion on what isn't definitively right or wrong. In that regard, I would think people have to make their own personal judgment calls as to if Threadless is advocating more for a Community Forum Opportunity or a Profitable Business. Then either support them by submitting and participating or going elsewhere. Right now honestly I am in questioning mode until things are more defined to users. I mean this is how Threadless has gotten their audience, so promotional ploy? or friendly forum?
apologies for the rant.

Glowacki on Dec 11 '07 at 10:27am

p.s.
The Critique doesn't seem to be used to the best of it's ability by any means, nor promoted in general and by this voting system? That is a partial fault of users and owners. This COULD be a great arena for people to actually have thoughtful critiques, but is there a way to make that happen?

2 days later

ZapDolls on Dec 14 '07 at 9:21am

Got pulled way to eary.
I agree with Glowacki. Part of submission is feedback.
Sometimes it takes a few days to get around to logging in...
and pow, it's dropped already???

ZapDolls on Dec 14 '07 at 9:29am

Really really really not liking this.
Don't feel like my sub (or anyone's) will be getting fair exposure.

*shrug*

very upsetting, this.

nybe on Dec 14 '07 at 11:03am

whole thing sounds pretty arbitrary to me.

DanhTa on Dec 15 '07 at 3:32pm

pop off

ordinarytruth on Dec 16 '07 at 2:05pm

bummer, i got dropped like woah.

dwmccullough on Dec 16 '07 at 5:26pm

He who has the most scoring friends win.

dwmccullough on Dec 16 '07 at 5:36pm

RE: Glowacki on "critiqe"
I agree about "thoughtful critique". My first submission I was suprised at the quick closing. Some comments were helpful yet others were from people that were obviously not familuar with the retro look I was going for and voted down on "font usage". Anyone familiar with the old ads from the 1950's would have recognized the font usage as an accurate portrayal.... Oh well, I have another retro design on the way, hopefully people will understand what they are critiquing this time.

MrDomino on Dec 16 '07 at 5:53pm

If people don't understand what they are looking at then perhaps the issue is more in the design itself. Communication of ideas is part of the designer's responsibility. As is choosing your audience. It's easy to blame poor scoring on voters or the "friend" factor, but you have more say than the public on how well your work will fare. I also think you theory that the audience just didn't get your type is off. Hot Topic and Steve & Barry's have been selling bad pun retro tees for years, there's not a lot going on to confound the mind.

Besides, with votes per sub reaching into the 2000s, you'd need to swing hundreds of people to a sub in order to make a tangible difference. I'm not entirely convinced that anyone has done that. And if they have, the staff has said already that they monitor who is voting what and intelligently weigh the value of a large number of first time voters 5-ing a particular sub.

6 days later

Dabem on Dec 23 '07 at 3:30am

Ok so this has been in affect for two years now. Why isn't this linked to or mentioned in either the PDFs in the sub kit or on the sub screen? I mean I'm not entirely bitter over my failed sub, things happen. I just would have liked to been aware that the first 24 hours were an issue.

Also is there still no email that goes out to explain why a sub got cut if it was above 1.5? Seems that should be ratified.

I'm not saying it's a bad system, I'm sure it cleans up a lot of designs that just don't cut it, mine included. I'm gunna use this as a springboard to put more time and effort into my next sub. However, I do think there needs to be a lot more communication, both that your design being cut in 24 hours is a possibility, and why your design was cut. Now if the folks at threadless wanted to be real nice they could give us some ways to avoid getting cut and ensure we don't commit fatal errors.

ahming86 on Dec 23 '07 at 6:00am

i have a question if the design is scoring completed and the score is at least 2.5 or above, how do we know whether our design is been chosen for print to sell or not ??

Posn on Dec 24 '07 at 6:58am

Hmm I think this is an improvement, cos the old way...well it was a kick in the old nuts so to say... :-)

This was more like a ....eeeh kick in the ass

JABshirts on Dec 24 '07 at 3:34pm

it would be nice if threadless sent an email saying why it got dropped

i've had 2 dropped and no email

ahming86 on Dec 24 '07 at 7:28pm

but i never dropped... 2.65 out of 5 , guess should be qualified ... not really sure how they are working on it ??

opifan64 on Dec 24 '07 at 7:45pm

you'll be notified by email if your design is selected for print.

ahming86 on Dec 25 '07 at 3:27am

oic...., thx opifan64 ^^

beeosx on Dec 26 '07 at 10:07am

erm, i entered a competition for REVOLUTION and it got dropped so fast. can someone tell me what happened?

3 days later

mcmillions on Dec 29 '07 at 2:47pm

yeah calling the design removal systems values arbitrary and variable is sort of a cop out.

Asunder on Dec 30 '07 at 3:46pm

No email explanation for me as well.. Also above 1.5

2 days later

superflis on Jan 01 '08 at 4:15pm

7 days later

Brentbach on Jan 09 '08 at 2:27am

i had three designs removed and zero emails on why. too bad.

jublin on Jan 09 '08 at 2:34am

is it really mandatory to bump this blog every time someone's sub gets dropped early?

Jebbie on Jan 09 '08 at 2:37am

Brentbach on Jan 09 '08 at 2:27am

i had three designs removed and zero emails on why. too bad.

I think in that last sentence you answered why.

Yes it is mandatory. DO IT

Brentbach on Jan 09 '08 at 12:16pm

too bad?

iDanSimpson on Jan 09 '08 at 12:19pm

i had three designs removed and zero emails on why. too bad.

besides the information listed here, the e-mails wouldn't say anything new as to why your sub got dropped. the e-mails are merely a notification.

2 days later

jazanza on Jan 11 '08 at 6:51pm

i had my design removed and no emails on
WHY ????

darkdog on Jan 11 '08 at 7:33pm

i dont really get it can anyone explain? :S

fatheed on Jan 11 '08 at 7:35pm

After recieving approximately half the votes, your design didn't score high enough to ever be considered for print and was dropped from the competition.

darkdog on Jan 11 '08 at 7:36pm

i was over 1.5 why droped?

jazanza on Jan 12 '08 at 2:01pm

my other design was dropped out too....TOO BAD !! any explanations ?? no mail ?? why ?? Someone answer me

dtodoroff on Jan 13 '08 at 11:47am

my other design was over 1.5 but was dropped out!Why?no mail?!?why?!?

2 days later

darkdog on Jan 15 '08 at 7:07pm

can any winner tell how he was rewarded the cash prizes?

tesco on Jan 15 '08 at 7:48pm

carrier pigeon

darkdog on Jan 16 '08 at 1:03am

the 2000 dollar cash prize is physical money to be sent to the winner or its saved online credit as a money used only for purchasing t-shirts?

Posn on Jan 16 '08 at 1:18pm

Crap!, bring out the rules so we know what we go too.
This is fucking bullshit. What is wrong with the rules since you can't let us see them? ha?
I bet there is no rules. You just pick what you want, and fuck the votes.
That is anyway the way you it looks like to me....

Make clear rules and publish them, ore loose credibility!

:-(

craft on Jan 17 '08 at 6:37pm

thats cool i'll just try harder next time.

darkdog on Jan 19 '08 at 12:14am

and after ur scoring is done u get to know if u won or not or if u didnt receive mail u have to just wait

3 days later

bemfi on Jan 22 '08 at 3:37am

thanks for explainations,im waiting for more:)

darkdog on Jan 23 '08 at 6:40am

but wat bout promooos!!!1 it drops so early becausE! its not like normal threads who have beetr chance seen and most pll wont vote in proms ofcourse,, so i duno it dont have same chance maybe as normal threads specially,ones who submitted late at the promo

fatheed on Jan 23 '08 at 6:42am

You're talking jibberish.

darkdog on Jan 23 '08 at 6:45am

man,, just mean does promos design have same progress as normal threads or no? cause they are seen less if they are isolated in theri promo section which leads ofcourse to early score drop and giving chance to ones who just submitted maybe earlier and not necessarily a better design

fatheed on Jan 23 '08 at 6:47am

No. If anything, they have more exposure, because they appear in the regular designs section, and their own Loves section.

darkdog on Jan 23 '08 at 6:52am

i duno maybe but i think its just needs a different kinda scoring, cause i just see that the old designs just got their chances better not cause they are beter just because they were submitted early thats wat i think!

darkdog on Jan 23 '08 at 6:53am

even this rule i dunt get much so wat bout a design less than 1,5?
does it all means have be like over 2.5 to get printeD? so does that also say that in love promos cause they are lessss designs a shirt with low scoring to get printeD?

fatheed on Jan 23 '08 at 7:00am

If it scores less than 1.5 out of ten, it means not enough people like it. If it scores 2.5, then it can mean half of people love it and give it 5, and half people hate it and give it 0. That amount of people liking it is enough to get it printed.

Its an extreme example, but I am trying to make it a clear as possible.

darkdog on Jan 23 '08 at 7:03am

ok thanks!

boriskarloff on Jan 23 '08 at 5:42pm

good

cheryl222 on Jan 23 '08 at 6:29pm

Although I got bumped, I still think the level of talent on your website is great!

bemfi on Jan 25 '08 at 1:34am

wow !my second design too ( dropped early).i wish my email can working when threadlless sending me email,so..i'm waiting:)

JohnnyArtGuy on Jan 25 '08 at 10:50pm

I didn't get my email, would like to know way. thank =P

pfg84 on Jan 26 '08 at 8:36am

"I didn't get my email, would like to know way. thank =P" - me too....

boriskarloff on Jan 26 '08 at 11:49pm

...and me too..

Trishpix on Jan 27 '08 at 10:03am

wow...i didn't even know my designs had been accepted and they were dropped. my friends were bummed because they were into the shirts...i didn't even get to vote!

not everyone is glued to this during the week...some of us have other things going on, like kids and jobs.

would love to get that e-mail that explained the reasons dropped, although I'm pretty sure they were a bit too risque.

maybe a 48 hour rule would be a bit more realistic?

shimala on Jan 27 '08 at 10:33am

1. I'm still lost on why so many are not getting the email. I get copied on each one sent.

2. The email says pretty much what's stated at the top.

3. Please take the time to read the original post before saying something like... "but my design scored over a 1.5"

shimala on Jan 27 '08 at 10:35am

I guess 3 is confusing because the rule is referred to as the "1.5 rule"

Majac on Jan 27 '08 at 2:41pm

I didn't get my email, too
it's a shame, shame, shame

Le Coma on Jan 27 '08 at 8:56pm

I got no email, but the comments made it pretty obvious everyone hates it.

:c

corey9 on Jan 28 '08 at 7:09am

no no, a right, then a left, another left, another left, then a right. yep, we'll see you in like 10 minutes.

Majac on Jan 28 '08 at 8:30am

how can I remove my design???

canadianbeaver on Jan 28 '08 at 12:50pm

a little to the left, no right that's it, no right, down a bit...

yep yep

aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.........

squirrel67 on Jan 28 '08 at 12:58pm

someone is scratchin yo beaver?

8 days later

chikoKF on Feb 06 '08 at 6:37am

Hey!
my design has scored 1.51 in 24 hours and it has been removed from the running...and i don´t receive any e-mail...

Perhaps Threadless should have a harder selection,there are a lot designs with an extremely poor quality.

3 days later

Chuckyfreak on Feb 09 '08 at 6:10pm

cool. mine is still in so that's good.

check it if ya wanna

BB_freshII on Feb 10 '08 at 1:07pm

How is it possible that i was dropped so early with the note 1.65 ??

KZH on Feb 12 '08 at 6:13am

I don't recieve any email!?

MiniVixen on Feb 12 '08 at 5:25pm

Pretty good way of doing it, except I've scored a few designs with a 5 which I'd deffinately wear and even buy, but have not ticked the "I'd buy it tell me if it wins box" because I don't see the need. If it wins it'll be up for print and I'll be able to order it.
But if counting the number of ticked boxes goes towards a final result then I don't think ticking the I'd wear it box is signified as important as it's made out, at least not to new people.

2 days later

Don Jon on Feb 15 '08 at 1:21pm

I never got any email...

matthi on Feb 15 '08 at 7:17pm

i hate math.
fuck you

4 days later

Bugzynite on Feb 19 '08 at 11:58pm

WOW! This is soo gay, I really liked my design...and A lot of people I know liked the design. Man I 'm pissed my design got dropped. I guess I will put this shirt out myself.

JoeyRun on Feb 20 '08 at 11:18am

i think it super swell, otherwise you get the site clogged up with t-shirts that just don't cut the mustard.

SoulfumeInc on Feb 20 '08 at 11:22am

WOW! This is soo gay, I really liked my design...and A lot of people I know liked the design. Man I 'm pissed my design got dropped. I guess I will put this shirt out myself.

aaaaaaaand gone.

Booz on Feb 20 '08 at 11:34am

SoulfumeInc...what are you trying to say? Honeslty, I would have liked a lil criticism with the drop. The min I put up my design they put up these new rules. But its cool, I just put it out myself and sell it in my hood. -simple annnnnnd gone (stfu)

SoulfumeInc on Feb 20 '08 at 11:40am

Well, you complained about your sub being dropped, so I clicked on your profile to see what the design looked like.

These "new rules" were up long before your design.

My first impression was that you got so upset that your design got dropped that you deleted your account. Am I wrong?

Booz on Feb 20 '08 at 12:06pm

SoulfumeInc. Nah, your right...at first I got upset, because I thought it was a really a hot shirt, I would have definetly wore it. At that point I just cancelled the account, but then I seen a lot of the other stuff that was dropped, and there were really some good ones dropped. It made me come back. Honeslty, I just wanted some constructive criticism, instead of the cold drop (feel me).

Well, here is the design, you be the judge, maybe its not the style of the site. But like a few designers said, they own it and its competition, makes me sharpen my skill.

http://www.threadless.com/submission/152519/The_Root_of_Friendship

SoulfumeInc on Feb 20 '08 at 12:29pm

No worries man. Lots of designs get dropped every day. Unfortunately, you dont get much feedback as to why, but its gotta happen.

good luck to you. i'll check out the sub

Steve Holtz on Feb 21 '08 at 2:12pm

There are hardly any shirts that get a score as high as 2. Does anyone like any of the shirts on here?

2 days later

cash_ivc on Feb 23 '08 at 3:35pm

oh! exelent...now i wil know why i receive low score...

hahahahaha!

great!

4 days later

Tan. on Feb 28 '08 at 7:11am

Jeez, if you say youre gonna mail us to say why our designs are dropped then get on with it and do it!!

You know creative types are a bit highly strung so please dont string out any more than neccessary...

btmoon on Feb 28 '08 at 11:44am

Non-transparent voting / scoring processes and elusive math? What about a business model that gives the illusion of a democratic process while in reality winners are chosen by the Threadless staff?

snaggle tooth on Feb 28 '08 at 11:45am

every time someone gets a low score and/or rejected, this blog always get bumpt...

n00b!

Tan. on Feb 29 '08 at 5:47am

Well then why not do away with voting altogether...

I'm not bothered about not being printed, but not being given a proper chance to get any feedback, or a score, is pretty frustrating for everyone so it's understandable this thread keeps reappearing.

sonmi on Feb 29 '08 at 8:44am

^ because threadless has seen in the past that the average score after a day almost always corresponds within a few points of its final score, and not even your family or 50 of your friends can 5$ it back to life.

Tan. on Feb 29 '08 at 2:54pm

OK, so if it pretty much correspond why not show us what the score was?

SoulfumeInc on Feb 29 '08 at 2:57pm

it does show you the score

professorE on Feb 29 '08 at 2:59pm

It says here 1.7, although on the page itself it was a 1.66:

Lovable Monster - Threadless, Best T-shirts Ever

SoulfumeInc on Feb 29 '08 at 3:01pm

there ya go!

phyntosia on Feb 29 '08 at 3:03pm

yeah it just rounds to the closest 1dp, so 1.66 = 1.7 rounded to 1dp

Pixtoons on Mar 01 '08 at 3:33pm

Now, crazier than ever voting.

9 days later

SimRulez on Mar 11 '08 at 3:42pm

i don0t understand why my creation http://www.threadless.com/submission/154566/Portable_House?streetteam=SimRulez was closed!!

tracerbullet on Mar 11 '08 at 3:43pm

if you read this blog and the blog linked at the top of this blog, then you would understand.

imogeng on Mar 11 '08 at 4:09pm

Uff....

2 days later

thejessemancan on Mar 14 '08 at 12:36am

MINE WAS DROPPED U RACISTS

mikoloko on Mar 14 '08 at 11:47am

I hope I'll receive an email explaining why my last design was dropped...

2 days later

feelingfish on Mar 17 '08 at 10:57am

okay, thats good for everyone maybe

Jinkartubi on Mar 19 '08 at 6:38am

it's sound good

4 days later

DivineAna on Mar 23 '08 at 2:20pm

I'm betting this includes some weighting of individual's scores such that people who actually buy and buy a lot of shirts from Threadless have more weight...

2 days later

rocio.jaimes on Mar 26 '08 at 11:06am

Well, my design was posted twice, and I wonder... What if I lost my chance of having a decent score because when they deleted (later) one of the duplicates they deleted the votes it already had as well?

Lonkiponk on Mar 28 '08 at 5:35am

I don't mind these rules.
24 hours is enough I think.
People are saying they don't have enough time to promote their design, or to get their whole family to get a profile. I don't think the score will be very different if ten more personal friends vote on your design. After all, it is still the other 1500+ threadless people that make the difference.
That is to bad Rocio. That should not have happened.

dcmcb on Mar 28 '08 at 10:03am

so much better

3 days later

deejayflint on Mar 31 '08 at 11:30pm

unless you log onto threadless everyday (ahem. like me) sometimes you miss out on good designs that the ...general public might not find appealing. I've seen plenty of good designs that I would purchase go to waste because John J. Public didn't like it. I can't say it this is a good thing or not considering one of the designs I was waiting to see printed is now in the trash...

selahestelle on Apr 02 '08 at 11:22am

I was a pretty bummed, it was my first submission and I was very excited. I didn't see anything about the 1.5 rule when I submitted, didn't find out I had made it to voting until late the night before it was dropped early. I also did not recieve an email telling me it was dropped, I only found out because I couldn't find it and was searching for it, only to find that it had been shut down. I'm new to the community, think the rule makes sense, but the actual application of the rule and the grey areas are frustrating. Will maybe try again, but seems like there's more politics here than is fun to deal with.

2 days later

EdithGeorge on Apr 04 '08 at 2:11pm

I was dropped from the Hot Chip contest and I think it's lame that votes count for so much. My 30 odd friends who voted higher for my design was only a drop in the bucket compared to the hundreds of people who actually voted. Are these people buying t-shirts for sure? or are they just dropping by to willy nilly give 1's and 0's to whatever they feel like?

I took the rules seriously and produced a thoughtful design. There are still t-shirts up in the running that don't even use glow ink in an innovative way, or even properly. I'll keep my design comments to myself.

I don't get it. I got very positive comments on my design. There needs to be a more subjective way to sort through submissions in addition to the votes. Somebody with a good eye has got to have the final say...because, really, you're missing out on a lot of good stuff, and I'm speaking for myself and all the other decent looking shirts I saw that were dropped.

I don't think that straight up democracy can even work on the internet.

Bramish on Apr 04 '08 at 2:15pm

Check out the final scores of the latest batch of printed designs...

GIOCAVANA on Apr 04 '08 at 2:15pm

Great! I think it is a good thing!
Kisses!

mplato on Apr 05 '08 at 8:25pm

So this process primarily highlights how many people you know that happen to also access their email and are able to vote in less than 24 hours from the time YOU receive the submission notification (assuming you receive it without delay and broadcast immediately). A very small portion of the masses MAY actually see your design and vote, but may not know that the "I'd buy it" indicator is so essential. Sounds like a setup for failure.

platok9 on Apr 05 '08 at 9:06pm

this completely sucks and is incredibly unfair. im not sure why so many people are so into it. i was excited about threadless and now im not.

Fermata on Apr 05 '08 at 9:29pm

Oooh, multiple variables.

deejayflint on Apr 06 '08 at 4:13pm

I agree with platok9 and mplato. Not so much because my design was dropped but because so much garbage gets a full run. A lot of stuff seems like the wierdness of design overshadows astetic value and just genuine talent or creative prowess. You don't have to be a master artist for me to like your stuff but is seems that this site bucks talent over eclectic bullcrap that seems to have a political agenda over stuff that people would like to wear.

reinert on Apr 06 '08 at 10:24pm

Design is very subjective.. My submission was dropped early too on yesterday. Don't give up, pals!

ace_vegan on Apr 07 '08 at 3:14am

I think its should have at least a day and a half.
its good that there are these rules,but it sucks if you get really good feedback before it gets dropped :(

elenagallen on Apr 08 '08 at 6:49pm

this sucks

2 days later

cpm on Apr 10 '08 at 6:56pm

Lets face it people, Threadless has become very comercial, not really caring about good design.
SHAME!!!!

Letsgonuclear on Apr 11 '08 at 2:05am

Maybe Threadless should just drop the 0-5 rating system and rate from:

a) Not a chance in hell would i be caught dead wearing this design"

b) Not my taste, but i'd totally buy it as a gift

c)Damn straight i'd wear this, why isn't it printed already!

elcucu on Apr 11 '08 at 12:52pm

thats a good idea hah

copafeelia on Apr 12 '08 at 1:42pm

clington on Apr 14 '08 at 10:20am

sounds complicated

Mukkinese on Apr 16 '08 at 6:52am

I understand why you do this, but it means the competition is as much about who is the better sales person as it is about who comes up with a good design, if not more so. I am not good at selling and so stand little chance against good promoters who are regardless of the actual worth or our respective ideas. No doubt you will get more than enough good designs to make you a profit, but those designers like me, who just want to do the art and are hopeless at selling might as well not bother submitting designs.

2 days later

ace_vegan on Apr 18 '08 at 11:22pm

too right @ Letsgonuclear

Far Out Funky on Apr 20 '08 at 9:02pm

EdithGeorge on Apr 04 '08 at 2:11pm

I don't think that straight up democracy can even work on the internet.

true dat. that's why i don't even bother anymore.

TenderBelly on Apr 22 '08 at 1:59pm

this was my first try and i really was hoping that id get more than just a day . specially when it took more than the 8 days for them put it up for voting. i just wanted some more feed back so i knew what was working and what wasnt.

DaniellesGarden on Apr 22 '08 at 2:10pm

thats what the critiques are for. keep trying

J.Soh on Apr 22 '08 at 9:32pm

i will be back!

rainbow_nonstop on Apr 23 '08 at 8:00pm

its a good idea
:)

drumsforbrains on Apr 24 '08 at 2:47pm

i like all designers having a chance.

and i never got an e-mail about why my design was dropped.
and what exactly are these "variables"?
this website is just getting crappier.

drumsforbrains on Apr 24 '08 at 3:01pm

"gimetzco on Jan 27 '06 at 4:13pm

#1. my designs have been removes after first day, and not once have i been notified about why...(i have had one rejected, but that wasn't the same situation)

#2. if you pick from the top scores, but not the top of the top scores...how is it that there are many shirts that you have printed that are low scores...just go through the catalog and you'll find some that aren't 1.5 even..."

- haha yea voting obviously means nothing. they choose what they want anyways.

MrDomino on Apr 24 '08 at 3:26pm

You're forgetting the "I'd buy it" votes, which aren't listed in the final score. Certainly there's also something to be said for the blogging community repeatedly asking for specific designs to be printed that did not score well, as well as the controversy factor. I certainly think that the Goatse was one of the worst tees printed on this site, but it generated a lot of buzz and sold well.

It's always easier to assume that what you create is worthy of praise and that its detractors are in error. It's much harder to accept that your work is flawed, or substandard, and you have to work to become better. All growth comes with its share of unpleasantness. This community is constantly expanding and the winnings are really an exceptional offer for the industry, it's only natural that the designs will have to be filtered more and more. There are only so many people on staff and the amount of spots for a print remains constant. Observe reactions to your work, apply what you see and evolve as an artist.

unkleventrikel on Apr 25 '08 at 6:05am

drumsforbrains, i would second what you say that voting doesn't mean shit somehow, and they choose what they want to print.
they(threadless) have the right to do so, cos if they let a bad design out in the market and it doesn't sell, their company is at stake, which is a bigger risk than designers losing their threadless artwork. there has to be some quality control, and that's exactly what threadless has been doing - thus, their reputation. if u visit spreadshirt.com, u'll find out how much better and worthy threadless tee's are as compared to their overpriced crap.

drumsforbrains on Apr 25 '08 at 3:45pm

so why vote?

Torakamikaze on Apr 25 '08 at 3:53pm

lol @ the majority of comments in this blog

GulchikGlyuk on Apr 26 '08 at 9:49pm

So... my design got kicked out early and had an average of 1.7 from 500 something votes and the other designs in competition that have 1.5 or lower average with the same amount of votes are still in the running? What's up with that?
And where is my promised email?

3 days later

mouldey on Apr 30 '08 at 6:11pm

all seems pretty fair. Threadless will print what they want to print. The votes just give them an indicator.

Only gripe would be that the supposed email notification doesn't seem to exist. I've been dropped twice, and there was never any emails. They suggested my server might have rejected the emails, but the weekly threadless newsletters/ads seem to get through no probs.

3 days later

justodd on May 04 '08 at 3:55pm

complaining is for noobs
pros revolt.

4 days later

biotwist on May 08 '08 at 5:22pm

yeah I'm going to bump this to point out that I also did not get the email nofication. not even in my junk folder. Its just plain anoying

kayceislost on May 08 '08 at 5:31pm

this is the blog that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends

4 days later

steviec on May 13 '08 at 1:56am

...some people *beat* started blogging it, not knowing what it was...

sebamv on May 14 '08 at 10:37pm

Average score:
1.49 out of 5

Number scored:
475 people

Scoring finished:
This was dropped early. Find out why

Comments:
7 comments

explications: 0

mails: 0

remember, be nice

bludge on May 15 '08 at 1:18am

hey... this been my first submission got kicked out for 1.52 out of 5 with a score of 503.....
So... how much is actually needed to get through this stage..?...
And by the way... received no mailer yet......!!..

shaunamae on May 16 '08 at 12:40am

threadless sucks, they have so many crap tees, and yet all the good designs get "dropped early".

pff whatever

ISABOA on May 16 '08 at 1:01am

Torakamikaze on Apr 25 '08 at 3:53pm
lol @ the majority of comments in this blog

I just read the last two months worth of 1.5 rule comments
comedy fucking GOLD!!

did anyone else pick up on that cold day in hell link from shimala?!?!

HAHAHAHAHA - no-one even noticed - BWAHAHA -

2 days later

burtinteractive on May 18 '08 at 11:05pm

we need more fucking octopi designs! (sarcasm)

2 days later

Borgoman on May 21 '08 at 5:12am

Bullshit. I'll never post anything here again.

AdeleSSB on May 21 '08 at 1:44pm

You are loosing good stuff with this lack of sense...

tracerbullet on May 21 '08 at 1:45pm

it's a sacrifice we're willing to make

kayceislost on May 21 '08 at 1:46pm

some people started singing it not knowing what it was

tracerbullet on May 21 '08 at 1:55pm

but they never finished it and that is just because...

THIS IS THE BLOG THAT NEVER EEEEEEEEENDS

Leno on May 22 '08 at 9:16am

I have the same problem like:

gimetzco on Jan 27 '06 at 4:13pm

#1. my designs have been removes after first day, and not once have i been notified about why...(i have had one rejected, but that wasn't the same situation)

#2. if you pick from the top scores, but not the top of the top scores...how is it that there are many shirts that you have printed that are low scores...just go through the catalog and you'll find some that aren't 1.5 even...

..and I don't understand :(

shimala on May 22 '08 at 9:34am

#1 - I'm still not sure why this is a problem. I received the CC'd email for your design.

#2 - It's extremely rare for us to pick a design that scored below a 1.5. I think you were looking at the april fools day tees... Look here.

Pixeltuner on May 23 '08 at 3:53am

just keep posting your best I guess, I've got two dropped designs and one in the running but it doesn't keep me from designing more.

5 days later

Beloved One on May 28 '08 at 5:23pm

You Suck!

48 days later

rebekkathefairy on Jul 16 '08 at 12:13pm

This sucks. Wait a week for it to be approved then get it dropped after a day. The comments were positive! :(

5 days later

Saba-daba-dueiro on Jul 21 '08 at 1:49pm

arbitrary score?? so much for democracy...

78 days later

gregoreverb on Oct 07 '08 at 2:52pm

Sounds like bullshit to me.

DaniellesGarden on Oct 07 '08 at 2:53pm

wow.. 78 days since Ive seen this blog bumped.. I almost forgot about it.

sonmi on Oct 07 '08 at 2:54pm

HOW COULD YOU THRADLESS

Papaprime on Oct 07 '08 at 2:58pm

Just an oddity, I had mine drop on day 6 and a half... only 12 hours left. I had never seen that before, it was quite novel.

Torakamikaze on Oct 07 '08 at 3:00pm

shit! greg's pissed!

everyone scatter!

DaniellesGarden on Oct 07 '08 at 3:00pm

yeah not so long ago someone (i dont remember who) had one of their subs drop after 3 days, they must have changed the rule a bit since this was written. I think the 3 day drop i heard about was a couple of months ago.

sonmi on Oct 07 '08 at 3:00pm

at that point the score probably wouldn't have changed much, i'm guessing...

DaniellesGarden on Oct 07 '08 at 3:01pm

gregs profile pic scares me a little.

corey9 on Oct 07 '08 at 3:01pm

not only did you drop me on my birthday, you drank all the apple cider! wtf 1.5 rule?!

ps. why cant you be the 2.37 rule?

Rockslide on Oct 07 '08 at 3:03pm

They can just filter all the subs by me and I'll decide what stays and what goes, I'll simplify the whole process.

However there will only be around a sub a month to vote on and it will be from me.

Framble on Oct 07 '08 at 3:12pm

ARSEHOLES

SoulfumeInc on Oct 07 '08 at 3:28pm

LOL @ so many people who say they will never submit again after getting dropped early.

looks like the 1.5 rule does it's job and then some :)

58 days later

ISABOA on Dec 04 '08 at 7:25pm

Dear threadless

1.5 4 lyfe

fatheed on Dec 04 '08 at 7:26pm

This is HORSESHIT!!!

fatheed on Dec 04 '08 at 7:26pm

This is HORSESHIT!!!

ISABOA on Dec 04 '08 at 7:27pm

HORSESHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UNFAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ISABOA on Dec 04 '08 at 7:29pm

congratulations to the new 1.5 rule administrator

sonmi on Dec 04 '08 at 7:30pm

I WISH I COULD QUIT YOU

SoulfumeInc on Dec 04 '08 at 9:10pm

IM NEVER SUBMITTING ANYTHING EVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DaniellesGarden on Dec 04 '08 at 9:16pm

I miss you

Captn_Hope_Face on Dec 05 '08 at 3:59pm

sooo why don't they just separate the "threadless loves " competitions from regular entry's??? thus both get a fair equal judging time. i know i didn't get see half of the regular ones because of all the competition ones, which i get tired of then stop judging all together...just a thought...:D

ISABOA on Dec 05 '08 at 4:01pm

SoulfumeInc on Dec 04 '08 at 9:10pm
IM NEVER SUBMITTING ANYTHING EVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!