My feelings about hope. One of the most important things in life.

wow, nothing? Haha, I'll assume it's good to go then :P

ok seriously.

i like the concept. desaturate it a bit. maybe put it on a lighter base color.

Alright, here's another version. Made the plant less glowy. Also made the roots brown instead of green. what do you guys think?



which color?

Roots, green or brown?

Anything else?

Bumppppp :P

good idea ... but I think u need to lose the text and to let the illustration speak for itself ...

plz Critique mine ...

See,Hear,Speak

I agree you should remove the text. Roots look better brown and the plant needs to look more lively, less dopey :)



Thanks for your comments, what do you think of Poor Teddy now?

Your message is good. I would avoid using a flat font for it to be communicated with though. See if you can incorporate it into the design. Keep it up!



I would appreciate your vote

went for a simpler design. Vectors this time. As you guys suggested, I incorporated the message into design rather than spelling it out as text beneath the graphics. Plant isnt slouching so low which makes it a happier plant :)



See if you guys can read that. What do you guys think now? Better, worse? Too simple? Too awesome? Oh, and what do you guys think about the size and placenment on the shirt? Submitt? :"P

BUMPP :P

Instead of just saying dont submit, needs work or submit, I'd rather have some comments.

I think it's way too hard to see the text in the roots. It took me ages to spot it (maybe more a comment on me...)

If you an get a simpler message and make the letters bigger I think it would be effective, but I also think shortening the text would be hard. Good luck





Crit mine please?

http://www.threadless.com/critique/26536/Dance

k, radically changed the design. please give your feedback. Play with the different tee and design color combinations and let me know what you think. thanks

try black or orange on cream tee.

also try white on black tee.

The Brown tee with the orange, blue, tan colors work well together. The new image is a big improvement visually too. However, the text is hard to read and the phrase is lengthy. Maybe shorten it to "hope"?

Good luck!

it might be more dramatic if you set the landscape to look like a desert or sand!

Thanks for the comments. I will definitely shorten the message to just hope. And originally I did intend to make it like a desert in the previous versions. How about giving the land a desert like color? Or, rain?? That's depressing right? But then again rain for the tree would be good.

i think stay away from the rain, it contrasts with the desert too much... and i think the silhouette of the tree could be a bit more impressive, more baron, more 'burtonesque'?

I like this idea. i think it'd look good in a pinkish purpuly tee to make it look like a desert sunset with the ground lines in brown so u can tell its deserty.

Changed the tree and the sand mostly. Tried to make the roots say only 'hope'. Let me know if it needs more tweaking. Play with the color combos. Thanks :) Also, dune or no sand due?

i like the idea =)

try:



Dark brown tee with all white colors

Black tee with all white colors

Cream tee with all black colors or orange

Dark purplish tee with white colors

n thx for the comment :)

like this the tree looks really good I think only having hope in the roots doesn't convey your full message, um how about having a bunch of small "hope"s all throughout the roots.

like idea





http://www.threadless.com/critique/43548/Barcode ?

brown or blue tee, white tree and roots, sepia sand. Withaut text

I'like the image

nice concept ... no need for text ... try small middle placement..

my advice to u, don't use many buttons with many options ... cause distraction and confusion ... simple presentation always deliver better ...

plz critique mine ...

arrows

Turn it ON

Hang in there

k, removed text cause there were two votes against it. Made the lines a bit thicker. Also simplified the entire thing as suggested so now all you have to do is tell me which number is better. Also added a preview of how it should look in real life. Thanks for the comments guys :) Appreciate it. I didnt make it smaller yet though. I will if this doesnt work.

Oh, on the left, I tried to stretch the image cause Carlie's stretching the shirt.

Come on guys, leave a comment. What do you think????

I like it alot however after having alot of my desgins like this be rejected for "simplicity," i would advise you to add a little more detail and maybe some shading. It is very good but needs some more work. Keep it Up and please critique mine?!

http://www.threadless.com/critique/43698/The_Hand_Man

I like number 2. which swf creator you use? is it free?

Hey, thanks for the comments. Umm, where to add the detail though. I could have it colored and add shading but I think it would take away from the shirt. I'll give it a try. i can think of adding more bark like texture to it but man is that going to be hard...



Garjurn, I use flash. I know some actionscript (its really easy). If you have it, i can tell you how to do the actionscript parts. I just click export movie and then swf.

versions 5 feels much nicer as a design, the yellow just works a ot better for me :)

I see. What do you think of the text? So far people have disapproved of it so I removed it. But now its like 50 50 cause I was told to do a lot more text also, so Im just confused about the text part. In the roots I mean.

I think that the text added a lot to the theme...maybe if you just incorporated the word "Hope" into the actual branches of the tree, or maybe in the form of fallen leaves on the ground? Something to really show the concept behind the tree.





Crit me?

Hmm, fallen leaves. Not bad. It was originally in the roots though. The whole thing said "Never desert hope for its roots are everywhere". Check the previous version. Click on roots a few times and you'll eventually get to it. People thought it wasnt clear enough...Personally, I like the text cause like you said it makes the theme clearer. Right now its just a picture of a tree in sand, with its roots showing.

:D leaf idea seems pretty good ... but if it was falling off the tree i would associate the falling with hope so itd be like hope is dying ....hmm .. that wouldnt be good ...:D have hope carved in the trunk of the tree in a heart ..!

:P the tree would have to be bigger for that to work......

K, added detail to the tree. Also changed the roots once more. Put the text in once as Mr Roots suggested. Hopefully this time is the final time I have to change the roots.



I liked the falling leaves idea but yellowpanda suggested it would mean the opposite of having hope, which goes against the theme sadly.



Anyway, check out the 4 versions. I like 3 n 4 personally. Critique awayyyyyyyyy :)

Not versions 3 and 4. haha, I meant the 4 different color combos of this version.

Hey, thanks :) I looked at your design and I really like it. Gave it a 5, hope that helps.

What if you were to add just one bright green leaf to a branch? Kinda like there is a hope for the tree. A little sign of life in a barren world? Just a thought. Maybe the poetic side of my brain is sneaking in... LOL!

That's a very good idea. Ill give it a shot. Which colors do you like, btw?

ooo what a great change from v1! i love it.



just a heads up though, tree designs are considered cliche and some people may just end up giving it a 0 without much thought.



anyway, personally, i love it on white. and yeah try out putting the leaf :)

Thanks for the support guys :)



Well, I hope "Hope" is clearly visible enough for those people who might give it a zero :P



I tried adding a leaf, it looks very weird... :O maybe I am doing it wrong. I put it on one of the left branches, both with only outline and with color. The green just seems too different than the rest of the image...Do you guys have any pointers regarding the leaf?? My brother suggested giving an entire branch leaves but I think that will take too much away from the theme.

Nuts... I thought it would work out ok. i imagine it would stand out quite a bit, but thought it would still work out ok. Any chance to load it with the leaf on so we can take a peek? I picture it as a tiny little leaf... If I am screwing up the theme or vision for the shirt let me know! :)

I'd say to try to make the tree look a bit more dead...

...or just barely alive with the hope of life again! looks good though!

almost there. Maybe adding different line weights through out so it's not looking so flat.



BearGrillz

different line weights ^^^^ would MAKE this.



Your so close! keep it up!

i'm not exactly sure what the dots are supposed to be. the texture is different, but there's not enough contrast. the "hope" should pop out at the viewer.

looks very cool, but i dont understand if the roots come from the tree at first sight.

Thank you all for your support. Really appreciate it :) Before I can start working on the next version, I have a few questions I wanted to ask.



@nimtize : What dots? The roots? Umm, the only thing I can think of regarding making 'Hope' clearer is making the top of the 'H' a bit taller. Do you think that would work?



@ jnjmitchell and also usethefork + mwshorts: I'll put up a version with the leaf soon. Don't worry, you're not screwing anything up :) I was gonna ask, should I go for an entire branch with leaves with that branch having more color than the entire tree? I guess I'll put that up also. That would certainly illustrate what usethefork & mwshorts said. let me know, if possible, before I start working on the new version :)



@ jonlunsford + brackjeebus - thanks, thats a great idea :) I'll try that for sure. But I am not sure how to accomplish it though since Flash's minimum line width is 0.3 and that's what I'm using. But I'll give it a shot for sure.



@ All - What color / number do you guys prefer? So far I have:

1 vote for white tee (4) by agrimony

1 vote for brown tee (2) by Brightwood

@danielsauron - I'll try to fix that :) thanks for the comment

I agree with b1ackjeebus about the different line weights, I think it would add a lot to the piece.



I like 3, but I'm a sucker for yellow shirts :)

oh...they're roots. i had no idea that "hope" was spelled in the tree's roots. the perspective of the ground is a bit odd, so i assumed that it was some sort of small garden in front of the tree. i would get rid of all but one of the dotted lines so it's clear that the roots are actually roots. and also, if you want, try to make the roots start bigger near the start of the tree and get smaller as they go down farther.

I agree with b1ackjeebus too, make it have style.

I like 3 also, yellow seems more outstanding.

keep it up!

The way the roots are fragmented takes away from their rootiness. I think it would be clearer if there were less and they were more like continuous branching threads. Also it would be cool if the outside environment was harsher, like with snow maybe. Some thing to give a stronger impression of winter.

haha, i just looked at your previous versions and realized what you had before with the roots is exactly what I'm talking about. So if you had your older style of roots and just make the hope more noticeable it would be great..

really like the feel of the textures

Thanks :)

k, I tried almost all of the things you guys suggested.



Added leaves. One leaf didnt work that well so I converted a branch and added color. Combination 1 looks ugly with that, I think. The others, especially 3.5 and 4 look better with it in my opinion.



Also check 3.5 for roots being thicker at first. I dont think it works but let me know what you think. Oh and also connected all the roots so they flow in all combinations.



Critiqueeeee Awwwayyy :)

oh n @ Ruffin - I know that's what I originally wanted to do. I gave it 3 or 4 tries at least. Haha, I am afraid I am not able to illustrate the word that way for some reason.

Oh before I forget, sorry. The votes:

1 vote for white tee (4) by agrimony

1 vote for brown tee (2) by Brightwood

2 votes for yellow tee (3.5) by Katkando & Helloleong

:D i liike 3 and 2 thick roots look pretty awesome to me

awesome idea/message poor execution

well first off, Great Progress!!



and i like number 3... but just one stupid thing... in my opinion it'll look better with only the leafs green...



but i like it very much :)

Thanks yellowpanda :) That makes

1 vote for white tee (4)

1 vote for brown tee w white (1)

1 vote for brown tee w dark reddish (2)

3 votes for yellow tee (3 or 3.5)



Thanks anthony ctuning for the comment. Do you have any ideas? And did you also go through all the combinations?

logicalb, I see. Another one for yellow :) And that's no problem, I can change that in a second. What about the roots. Do you prefer the thicker ones or the regular? (3 or 3.5?)

bump

Wow, nice work from the first version. The idea was cool, now the design is very nice.



I vote for 1.



The white color of the tree makes him more dead and increase the contrast with the green branch.

thanks :) Im not too sure about the green branch though. Ill be keeping the leaves for certain. I just need a few more people to tell me whether they like the green branch or not.

So far:

1 vote for white tee (4)

2 votes for brown tee w white (1)

1 vote for brown tee w dark reddish (2)

3 votes for yellow tee (3 or 3.5)

voting: 3

I like this much much better in v7, but I do think you need to add different sized roots for some variation. Also there is a plank spot between the tree and roots, try connecting them a little bit. Great progress though!

I like the first one better, it works better on a dark background.

I'm gonna go with version 1. Great progress!

I'm not a fan of the big ball of roots--I think asthetically it just looks awkward. Maybe try spreading them out? I know it's a little late in the game to make big changes, but... if it doesn't get printed, maybe you can go back and rework it.



Also, what about spelling "Hope" out of the small green branch and "it's roots are everywhere" out of the roots?

hey ur idea is pretty interesting n its kinda deep ..i cnt say much cuz im all new 2 dis...but thanks 4 ur comment...

this definitely looks a lot better, but i'm still not a fan of how jumbled the roots are. make the roots actually overlap and form the word instead of having a bunch of interconnecting lines that don't look like roots. and i still think they should start bigger from the base of the tree and get smaller as they go down.

I'm liking the thicker lines, and I'm going to agree with nimtzie about having the roots form the word. It's coming along really nicely :)

I'm still gonna go with 3 :)

I think V7 on gray is my fav still

Thanks :D Appreciating the comments very much.



Welll, Ill give what nimtzie said a shot but I warn you, I dont think I'm good at forming the word 'hope' that way. If it seems decent enough, Ill post it here.



T Crane, thats a very good idea. I like it cause it illustrates the point of the whole shirt very perfectly. but its kinda hard to spot that many words in the roots I think. Especially with my root drawing skills :S haha



Peabarafic I did that in #3. Is that okay enough?



Oh n thanks jnjmitchell for the leaf idea :)



What I am still wondering is whether or not should I keep the hopeful branch green. I guess Ill post it as an option with the new version.

I think what Pabarafic was saying is to make the roots actually come all the way up to the tree instead of having the strip of ground separating them, which I would agree with.



Definitely a fan of the thicker roots.



And I also agree that the roots should be a bit less dense, and they shouldn't form a circle. I imagine real roots as starting thick at the base of the tree and thinning as they extend out both sideways and down. Maybe it's not worth the effort.

o, and my vote is 3

going with 8 because the green leaf is suppose to be the whole point of the shirt and the green really gets peoples attention if on a dark shirt

K, some of you suggested I connect the roots to the tree, so here goes ;) Did it take me a long time to do that. Phew. To make the fat roots conform with the outline of the tree was the hardest I think. Anyway, cause of that I also changed the sand. Removed the colorful branch and left the leaves.



Also added Rootlike Roots, click roots to check.

Option for no sand at all, click sand to check.



Now, can you guys please tell me the following things:

Which shirt color?

Which root style?

Sand or no sand?

Roots connected to tree or like previous versions?



Thanks guys. Really appreciate your comments.

Also please tell me if the sand/ground looks like sand/ground. My brother didnt think so. If so, any ideas?

Tricky one! (love the design first off - great illo) My preference would be roots one on balance. I prefer the 'sparceness' (is that a word??) of roots two but the word hope looks kinda like it's written in a Halloween font which sort of takes away its meaning.



I think it does need some ground to hold it together - maybe just go for the less is more approach and make it a single clean horizon line. Oh and my preference would be the dark grey (last one along) as it helps the green leaves stand out which it the point of the design im guessing.



Keep it up - it's looking really good!

I like roots 2 more, because its simpler.

* I'm liking the gray shirt the best now, it does make it stand out more.

* The roots are difficult to figure out lol. Maybe make roots 2 not come into a point/circle, like spread them out more. Maybe look up pictures of tree's roots and see how they lay, or pick something with long roots, like a flower or something of sorts lol. I agree with LJ902 that the word "Hope" does sort of look like it's a Halloween font and it takes away from the meaning.

* Go with the sand/ground, or at least something like LJ902 suggested. It would hold up better with something supporting it.



Other than that it's looking good.Keep up the good work :)

Thanks for the comments guys. LJ902, Ill see if I can make roots 1 sparse and also try to remove the 'Halloween' feel of roots 2.



Katkando, I see. The problem is that if I shape it like real roots it wont have a look of symettry about it. But I can certainly make them shorter at the bottom which means the left and the right ends not coming up at the same point.



Guys, should I keep working on this or go back to v7? Is this version better than v7? Like I'm not going off in the wrong direction am I cause that was the version many of you suggested I submit.

I see what you're saying about it being symmetrical. I personally like things slightly asymmetrical, but that's just me ;)



I think you're going in the right direction with this current version, it just needs a little tweaking is all.

Wow I love the new roots, and I think the hope looks fine. The sand is good in my opinion. But I agree that the roots should sort of flare out instead of forming a circle. Like Katkando said, asymetrical is good. More artistic flavor.



I do like the gray, but the leaf isn't really working for me. It still seems out of place and I don't think it's necessary.

i have to say, the work on the roots did wonders. it looks so much better. and i like the gray one as well.

Thanks for the support guys :) Nimtzie Im glad you like the new roots :)



Ruffin, check out no. 2. That's the closest I could get to a winter theme you suggested earlier. Personally I like no.2 the best. Umm, I also included the option of filled or unfilled leaves. I think the leaves make the message easier to understand.



LJ902, I changed 'hope'. Hopefully, its not so halloweenish now. I am confused as to keep the small 'H' or the capital 'H'.



Katkando, I tried making the roots a little bit less circular. I also added the previous circular ones for comparison.



Anyway, thanks once more guys. I feel I'm getting closer to submission.



However, I still have a few questions for which I would be glad to hear your input:





1) What shirt? So far I've got almost equal votes for brown, yellow and gray.

2) Roots. Circular or non circular? Capital H or not?

3) Filled leaves or unfilled leaves?



Thanks :D

Huge improvement on the roots in my opinion, nice work! I like the lower case letter...I think the roots are good as they are.



As for the leaves, I'd say just have one...filled in.



Still think the tree needs to look deader.

* I think gray would work the best because both the tree and leaves pop out the best on that one. Yellow is cool, but the leaves are lost.

*I'm liking the new version of the roots, especially the lower case "H", it looks more root like. I also like the bottom open more like you have.

* The leaves are a hard decision. I'm kinda liking the filled more, but maybe make the leave all one color, except where they meet each other (does that make any sense lol).



I think you're missing a branch, it's underneath the main "leaf" branch. It kinda looks like it's got cut off. Not sure though.



It's really looking good :) I think you're really close to sub'ing it

I like the gray the best with one filled in green leaf. I am glad to see that you are keeping the leaf idea alive! :)

Thanks. I am so glad the roots are done :)



usethefork, I tried cleaning up the tree for the next version, which is hopefully second or third last version at the most. Check out tree no. 2 in the next version and see if you like the cleaned up one more with less branches.



katkando, I kinda like the filled ones too. I did try your suggestion. I think the filled ones right now seem better. Thanks for the idea though :) As for the branch, I left it that way on purpose. I guess I should have closed its end to make it not seem like its incomplete. Good eye :)



jnjmitchell, yep, definitely keeping the leaves. It was an awesome idea. Thanks :) There's no version with just one filled leaf yet though. I am guessing you probably mean the unfilled one.



Anyway, I'll upload the new version soon. Just need to decide the shirt color (Gray most probably), the leaves and one of the two trees :)

Alright, I'm hoping this is either the last or second last version :) I really appreciate the support you guys have given me. The advice was invaluable :)



Roots are done. 3 things still remain though.



1) Only 3 color choices now. So far, gray's in the lead.

2) Still confused about leaves.

3) And also need to pick out one of the two versions of the tree.



Let me know what you think :)

Beige. Definitely beige. it gives the whole thing a much more natural feel.

Maybe you should do a cactus instead of a tree, j/k. The roots are looking great. You could probably lower the ground more towards the top of the roots, it'd be a little more realistic and make the tree trunk look more elongated. I get that the tree is supposed to be a little haggard (harsh environment and all) but maybe you could add something to the top of the shirt to balance out the fullness of the bottom. Maybe a few ominous clouds. Or maybe lowering the ground will fix that problem as well. Good luck!

Check me out? Crits

Thanks for the comments. Will definitely lower the ground a bit more. But adding more stuff, I think, would probably be distracting and may make the shirt too busy. I clicked your link but it took me straight to this page again, Team Ramirez.



Another vote for yellow :)

This design has been through an absolutely amazing set of improvements, and I'm really impressed with your patience in making all these changes! Some suggestions:



- Is it possible to update your thumbnail? Your design is now much better than the thumbnail suggests, and maybe more people will comment if this is reflected in the thumbnail?

- Choose a different model or scale your design down vertically. The roots are very eye-catching, and I don't think the placement on that particular model is ideal. I'd suggest they should finish around belly button height - about halfway between the model's wrist and elbow.



Hope this helps!

I really like the grey tee - however I am concerned that having the tree and roots in white makes it look like "bleached coral" on first glance. Perhaps you could try a slightly less bright white or cream colour for graphic?

Sorry, I know you have had lots of comments. It is pretty cool!

btw thank you for the feedback on mine :)

Just a thought, try to make the word "hope" at the root more outstanding. And add more tiny thin root, instead of only thick root. :)

What a transformation from the first version. It has really evolved in to a great piece. I like the less branches and maybe only one or two leaves - that is what gives it hop, right? And how does it look with just the tree and and roots but no hills in the background? Maybe just extend a ground level roots on each side to go outward instead of downward and connecting to the other roots. I is looking nearly ready. Good luck.

I think you should go for the blue with tree 1 and the leaved half filled. It looks the most balanced and looks better than the other two. The colours aren't quite right in the cream, and the colours in the grey one are too dull for me. I would go for the blue. I love the design- reminds me of a lino cutting. Nice.

Yeah i agree you should go with tree 1, but I like more the leave unfilled. Is it going to be full of leaves?

Wow, major progress. I think the illustration is great at this point, ready to submit. I would just play with colour at this point, I think more earthy colours will work better than the blue and white. Nice job.

it's kinda weird but cool hoho :)

* I can't make my mind up which color I like lol. I like the gray, but I agree with Smokingornon that the yellow/beige makes it seem more natural. Argh! lol

* I think maybe the leaves unfilled works better. Sometimes hope is hard to find, know what I mean? It makes you look at the design more closely.

* The version of the tree with more branches is better.



This design has really come along since you first posted. Whether it gets printed or not this is a work to be proud of :)

Thanks for the support guys :) I'm gonna put up my last version and then show it you guys for any final suggestions tonight hopefully.



Aquarium, I dont think I can change the thumbnail unless I post it as a completley new critique. Should I do that though, considering the fact that I am almost about ready to submit this? Also, I'll upload the next version with two models or three perhaps showing off different colors perhaps. And will make the vertical length shorter on the models.



Allen Chester, I already tried no ground in the previous version, I was advised to keep it. Thanks for the idea and for wishing me luck though :)



Tariel, thanks :) I myself prefer the blue one but for some reason most people seem to like the gray or the yellow/beige one.



Danielsauron, umm no. Thats the amount of leaves it will have. I originally tried having just the one leaf but it didnt look okay and it wasn't as obvious. Unfilled leaves it is :)



Hadio, I'll take weird cool anyday :D



Katkando, thanks. Hopefully, it will be something to be proud of and something that gets printed *crosses fingers* Yeah, I'm confused about the colors too. And unfilled leaves it is, like I said earlier.



Umm, shall I submit with all three colors then? Does it hurt my chances of getting a good score / getting printed if there are three color options? Also any rough idea of what score I should expect?



Once more, thanks a lot :) Your advice has been invaluable.

Fantastic work! I'm going with blue and filled leaves, but it seems like those aren't very popular choices. Maybe I'm crazy.

I like Blue with tree two, and filled leaves.

haha, man I'm totally confused as what color to pick now. All the votes on all the colors are almost equal :S I'm gonna ask the same question again of threadless veterans:



"Shall I submit with all three colors then? Does it hurt my chances of getting a good score / getting printed if there are three color options? Also any rough idea of what score I should expect?"

I am a big fan of the gray. I think it makes the leaves stand out in better contrast.



By the way, my 1st sub is up for voting. Any comments would be awesome! http://www.threadless.com/submission/212188/Skeletot

Thanks VVolf

K, this is what I was gonna submit. Is it okay to do it with three colors or should I shorten it down? Thanks jnjmitchell, i like gray too :) I prefer the blue but grey's my second choice.

Submitted :) *crosses fingers* Thanks for all the support :D Now to wait for it to get approved.

The placement looks much better on the updated version. Good luck with the scoring!

It looks really good. As soon as I find out how to score, I will give it a great one. I posted a new version but it still needs work. The new computer will be up and running next week and I will work on it more then.Let me know what you think. BTW, How would I input a link here?



Thanks & good luck,

Allen

I like the blue version better!

If you've got time, come and score my design!

The gray one dig! I love it!



Please critique mine: http://www.threadless.com/critique/44892/Zombie_DIARRHEA

Good luck! This has come along great. Hopefully it gets printed, I'd buy it :)

Thanks everyone :) I'll post the link to scoring as soon as its up.

Its up for scoring :) Click Here!!