So, i continue to check my loooong archives...and i found out this one: Here is another design i didn\'t submit, especially because at the time i didn\'t know if the Label \"Lacoste\" was popular, or at least known in the States...



So, it\'s a cynical design, where the famous Lacoste Crocodile always shown on the \"heart placement\", is here replaced by a ferocious one that eat the \"fashion victims\' wearing it...



so, do you get it? what you think about it, should i send it to Threadless or not? thanks again! :-)

i don't like the barcode, it makes it seem like an apparel brand.

lacoste was really big in the 80s, and I still love mine, lol..



I dont like the barcode, at least not there, maybe at the top in between the shoulderblades on the back of the shirt, not that you would find a barcode there on a shirt, but it seems like it would make more sense that way

i completly agree about the barcode, it really makes sense! thanks for the feedback, thath's obviously designs that should be reworked, that's why they have never been sent, like all the ones i did ;-)



in fact, i REALLY like your idea of putting the barcode on the back, between the shoulderblades, i'll put a v2 in a few minutes :)



BUT, with the changes, you think it's interesting or not? ;-)

well these are my honest thoughts on it.



I do like it, and think its interesting.



If you are going for a lacoste kind of graphic, then you already know that lacostes logos were never that large on the shirt, but for this purpose to see the detail I think it would have to be. I don't know if thats a bad thing or not.



My other idea to add to this design, and it might be stupid, who knows Ill throw it out there, is if there was a sort of indentation of a leg, or sneaker or foot or something inside that alligator.

Changed the barcode, making a new placement, with the crocodile on the front, like a lacoste shirt, and on the back, the barcode, kinda of a prisoner style too ;-)

just read what you said danielle, yes, it should be not as big, but it's to show the effect and render ;-)

about the crocodile with some body elements, lol, why not?! sounds perhaps a little too much, but why not ;-)

and here is a V3 with a few things added, like more colors, and details, and resized a bit smaller on the Front, to make a better link to lacoste

far too small

Personally, to give it that satirical edge, id have the hand as a woman's, with jewellery and a "designer" handbag still attached...

yeah but lacoste is more of a mans brand..



I think the size is good, but thats just me.. Im sure there will be plenty that disagree, especially because it is a really cute graphic, and people might want to see it better..

The humour lies in the severed hand, which right now isn't representational until you read the "Fashion Victim" text, in which case, for most, its too late to turn back and get the joke.



I personally think that it needs to be bigger, right now, people would only see it if they're up close

At first i thought it was too small, but if your trying to relate to Lacoste, it makes sense for it to be small.



That's a really funny design!



http://www.threadless.com/critique/11957/A_Twisted_World

thanks for the feedback! To be honest, i posted more athan 80 designs at Threadless, and i still feel this one doesn't match Threadless Style...for a main reason, as you said: it's minimalism at the maximum (the smallest print of the whole threadless history), and if it's bigger, the whole concept disappear...so i don't know, i feel that i'm on standbye here ;-)

Well I like it and I think it would sell, but maybe not here. If I were you, I would put it up for sale somewhere else and move on to a more threadlessy design, not that I really know what that means.

I have shirts selling other places that I never submitted to threadless, just because I didnt think they would do well here, but that doesnt mean they wont do well other places. Thats just my opinion though.

this is great, it's like an imitation of lacoste, a totally a fashion victim, i get your point on this Jebs, submit it!!!

i just want to say that i am a fan of your work, really!!! i'm pleased you came here on the critic section, i myself don't go usually here, but i thought that it would be interesting for old designs unfinished :-)

arggh, i hate when HTML cut my commments, so here it is:



thanks Danielle for your honesty, i feel the same way as you in fact...



and KDLIG i just want to say that i am a fan of your work, really!!! i'm pleased you came here on the critic section, i myself don't go usually here, but i thought that it would be interesting for old designs unfinished :-)

I was a little worried that you were going to take what I said the wrong way, I'm glad you understood what I meant.

As far as the "threadless style", I wouldn't compromise concept in order to fit in. As far as bigness, in my experience a small graphic with a lot of space around it does as good a job at attention getting. As far as you not critiquing often, I'm sorry to hear that. What drives me crazy is the negative or sometimes helpful comments a designer gets during scoring. What good are they when you can't do anything about it. Useless and frustrating input. I think there shouldn't be comments once a design is submitted. Maybe more would participate in the critiquing stage...where it does some good.



Personally, I'd wear this shirt with the gator smaller. That's what makes it so witty and anti-establishment. It also disses the label/logo consciousness that is sadly rampant in our society. And finally, no one out there can convince me that it wouldn't be seen at work, at a meal with friends, at a bar, or any other social gathering. I also guarantee a smile on the person's face that sees it. Great idea, contrary to "threadless style" expectations, and all the more refreshing because of it.

I'd definitely wouldn't up the size of the graphic. Quister has said it all.

yeah! thanks for comments at everybody!



@ Quister: Your comment is very interesting. The truth is, i never create a design thinking of a community's style, because it's after all just a question of pleasure, passion but sometimes, when the design is finished, or nearly finished, if i am sure that people won't like it at all, i don't submit it, honestly, as it's also frustrating, because the sharing part is important too for me, and if nobody gets it, for several reasons...it happens sometimes...



the first point was: Is Lacoste Famous in the states? (i am french) if not, this one won't be a good sub...but it seems that it is well known, so that's a good point.



about the fact that it's the contrary of the "threadless common style", and that's also a strenght, i didn't think that way until i read you, and i must say that's obviously a good point of view!



have you noticed that i've hidden the Euro symbol in the cheek/head of the crocodile? just emphases the commercial and money part (and as Lacoste is french, i used the euro symbol) ;-)



so, i will see if i sub it, right now: 9 say yes, and 3 no...not bad :-)

I missed the Euro symbol. Subtle but clever. There's still a lot of people that have never noticed the arrow between the E and X of the FEDEX logo.

One last suggestion; I would remove the fashion victim signage on the back of the shirt. It's contradictory, aux le contrat, to the front of the shirt. I'm not a fashion victim wearing this shirt, I am protesting label consciousness and logo mania, I'm the free one, the rest are lemmings. Ha, ha.



Anyway, love the concept and the execution.

again, that makes sense...and a very good point!

i must think of the whole concept again, because, if i leave the fashion victim, it will be harder to understand and get it...two things:

i find a connection between the text Fashion Victim and the eaten person...

Or

I leave the text and emphase the personnality/identity of the eaten person...such as? a wallet full of cash/money banknotes falling of his hand...or du know ^^





happy new year to everybody!!!!! (it's 12 am in France, so, i guess in the states people are still having parties at 6am ;-) )

thanks Jebs, you're a great artist as well, I wish you good luck this new year, hope we get more prints,Cheers!!! =D

I think the front should be bigger, but its a great and very ethical fashion concious design

oh thanks KDLIG! you too! i wish you a few prints, because you just deserve it, and i am deeply honest saying that...



@evilmoose: thanks for the feedback!

I think this is excellent. I love your work.



I personally think the barcode works better below the crocodile - if it's on the back of the shirt, fewer people will see it (and nobody would get it at all if I wore it, as I have really long hair!)



If you don't like the barcode being at the front, I think you could bring out the 'fashion victim' idea really well if you had a woman's hand, with long painted nails, a gold bracelet, and even a crocodile skin handbag! It would make it seem like the croc on the shirt is getting revenge for the bag, and possibly make it a bit more cohesive. You could have the 'fashion victim' text present near the logo but very small, or even on a price-tag style label on the handbag. Just some suggestions! :)



And happy new year from someone in a closer timezone to you :)

I love the design as is, but Vindemiatrix brings up a good point: those with long hair will cover up the barcode. You could move the barcode to the sleeve and it'll still look as good. :) Good luck!

thanks again for all the suggestions! that's pretty cool :)

@ vindemiatrix: what bothers me in your suggestion that what's said daniel earlier, the lacoste brand is more for men that women, and it's more a question of fashion and logo mania, than luxury. ANyway, i agree that something has to be done with the "Fashion Victim" text, and quister said it all too...so wait and see, my vacations finish today, so i won't have the time to work in the next days...

Love it. Love it small and i need the barcode....on the back or on the sleeve. I want it printed!!

thx! i still think there is a problem of "getting it". The fashion victim is the eaten person, not the person who wear the tee...so, "fashion victim" on the sleeve is interesting, but not yet easy to read. Perhaps an asterisk near the hand, and the explanation of the asterisk on the sleeve: "fashion victim"...? must think of it, fast! (last day of holidays)

so here is a new version, with the asterisk and the "fashion victim" on the sleeve, as the expplanation of the asterisk. In this version, i think that the big update is that people understand that the fashion victim is the eaten person (in the previous versions, people could think that the person wearing it was the fashion victim)

I just had an idea for this. Not sure if this is what you are going for or not but here I go. The barcode asterisk aren't necessary. Why not just put a purse handle on the alligator and maybe the arm is more feminine. She got eaten by her high end alligator purse. Just a thought.

thats a different concept entirely..



I dont care for the asterisk.. i think its obvious that the mostly eaten person is the victim, lol. the sleeve barcode is ok, but i still think prefer it on the back, but then again mabe it helps the fact that this is a small design having the barcode on the sleeve.

ok sorry if that wasn't in line with your thoughts.

Awesome! I think murramullet is right, you could make the victim a sofisticated woman, maybe with gloves and a ring or a purse, or a leg with high hils

thanks again for the feedback! about the luxury and the woman hand, we already discussed it the previous days, in the other versions, and i think that's not the target of Lacoste, which is more classy, sporty and for men...that's why i choosed to make a man arm. About the asterisk, i think it's a good add, but we'll see if i have the same amount of "let's submit" than the previous version V3 ;-)

strange...i have much more participation in the previous versions... ^^

To be honest, Lacoste does sell women's fashions as well, so the woman's hand would work and would probably make more sense, but if you want to keep the male hand, perhaps add a golf club?

i almost wanna see a purse or pair of croc boots eating a person LOL

I like the motto on the sleeve now, but I don't like the asterisk. Remove the asterisk, and I think it'll be good to go.

I'd much prefer the barcode/asterix on the back, or maybe even the opposite sleeve? It just looks a little unbalanced to me.



I don't really think you need the motto at all - because I think the concept has such strength. If it's here to stay, well, I do really like the way you've incorporated it.



This had better be printed, I can't wait to get one.

i left the asterisk and here is version with banknotes and ground textures...i put the motto on the other sleeve for a better balanced design.

thank you soooo much for all the comments you left since V1. I usually send designs directly, but this fashion victim lacoste is a pain in the a** lol

what do you think? i've chosen a different way...the crocodile is just walking in the front, but on the back, you'll see his true nature, sadistic, eating the fashion victim spending all his cash for the last collection :-)

right now, the text on the sleeve is not necessary, i mean, it's optional ;-)

I think this is great.. I think you can leave the croc small on the front, then on the back showing its true nature.. yeah.. good, fashion victim barcode would be great on the back same positioning as you had it before doing the design this way.



as far as the design goes, I like it without the folding money, and without the shadows under the crocs feet. then I would say this is ready to be submitted.

thanks! here is certainly my last version :-)

here is certainly my last version, as i am pretty satisfied...i left the text as i think it's not necessary right now, with all the mods. I also changed a few things to give the crocodile more impact. thanks a LOT to all those who take their time to help me ;-)

I love it!

yeah it works well now, even without the text.

I think I'd rather just have the big alligator on the front.....lose the smaller one.



Good job by the way!

thats awesome

thanks everybody! a special thanks to Daniellesgarden that helped me A LOT from the beginning, i appreciated a lot your contribution ;-)



now, let's see the other thoughts and i think i will put this one in the running!



PS: i have 2 designs in the running right now, if you want to see them that's here:

click here to see the design

click here to see the design



;-)

so thanks to everybody!!! i sent this version below

here is the version i just sent to Threadless ;-) thanks and see you!

haha nice one man, simple but nice. fancy taking a look at mines? http://www.threadless.com/critique/12830/Dogtooth_Spoof



cheers ! :]

good luck jebs

I really like this. Simple but says it all. Also the referation with the brand lacoste is really funny. Just what alot of fashion/brand victims wear...



Maybe got some time to comment one of my criques:

http://www.threadless.com/critique/12852/Creatures

yay! looks great

Nice touch with the shoe. Looks great.

Love the shoe.

I'd buy it

thanks everybody! we'll see what happened, as it's something different from what i usually do ;-)

The gator get the fashion victims :) Lacoste wont be happy !

Its very cool and original. Good luck.

I think the gator works even without the sleeve.

Good job!



http://www.threadless.com/critique/42212/Ironic_chronic

http://www.threadless.com/critique/42210/Black_shirt

jaja this its nice

cool! good luck!

it's a design i made and subbed 1 YEAR AGO ahah :p

NICE!